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PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


##vote: Illu because I still don't believe anything he's telling us.

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Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
Vote for friendship in Cubetown, vote Josef

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
I think I've proven I'm not lying already, but vote with your heart

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Kill josef imo

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
Josef and fool of sound have yet to vote.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I was hoping normals would sell out their killer so we can just resolve things quickly but

##vote josef

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
Okay if this is how we're doing it let's go

##vote Josef

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
:redhammer: "For twelve years you have been asking, who is JosefStalinator? This is--" gunshots

Votecount for Day 5
With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is July 24th, 2023 at 4 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 5 hours, 52 minutes.

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil
You had one job, Votefinder! One job!

Votecount for Day 5

JosefStalinator (5): Yami Fenrir, Rhymes With Clue, Illusionis, fool of sound, Maugrim
Illusionis (2): NeverHelm, Maugrim, PlasticAutomaton, Maugrim

Not Voting (1): JosefStalinator

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is July 24th, 2023 at 4 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 5 hours, 41 minutes.




Flip by Cube coming in a bit.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

quote:

"You don't get it, I'm not a killer!" JosefStalinator screamed as the mob turned on him. "I'm a doctor, really! I'm just... really bad at doctoring!"
JosefStalinator, Kwai Chang Bill, Normal-Aligned PARANOID Trainee? Ninja has been eliminated Day 5!



quote:

You are fast. Lightning-fast. Your samurai sword (made of real hanzo steel) can cut through stone as if it was rice paper. You are the last remaining heir to your style's special heart stopping technique.

At night, you may ##kung-fu a player. The results you get will depend on your sanity.

Paranoid: You will poison your target. They will die at the end of the next night.

Night 5 begins! Deadline in about 24 hours.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

quote:

"What am I even doing, this isn't what I signed up for..." contemplates Yami as the plots and plans race through their head. It sounded like a fun little jaunt. Move to Cubetown for a little bit, investigate a cast of wacky characters, and act as a backstop against tomfoolery. It went off the rails immediately. The protection you brought wound up being more cursed than useful. At long last though, you're finally able to drift off to that eternal slumber and be rid of this nonsense.
Yami Fenrir, The Second Key Turner, Naive-Aligned NORMAL Sanity Checker has been eliminated Night 5!

quote:

Never the hero, not the sidekick. But the wise one. The trusted one. When the one in charge is going to act, make the hard decision that could spell doom for all, you're there as the backstop. They can't do it without you. You need to turn the second key before that plastic guard around that big red button opens. If you can't be trusted, who can? That's...just what you want them to think.

At night, you may ##sanity-check a player. The results you get will depend on your sanity.

You share a collective one-shot no-execute with at least one other player (if you are voted out during the day, you are NOT eliminated). You will be notified when this is used up.

Normal: You will receive your target's sanity.


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quote:

You've done it! You've finally figured out all the who's, what's, and how's of every Cubetown resident! Unfortunately, there are quite a bit fewer of them now. But that's not your problem. With the census data now comprehensive and complete, Illu is able to proverbially ride off into the sunset!
Illusionis, The Player that Board Game Designers Have to Make Solo Modes For - Self-Aligned Mastermind Changeling (with Normal Sanity) has achieved their personal win condition and absconds the game Night 5!

quote:

- You cannot be permanently voted out. (You share a collective one-shot no-execute with at least one other player. If you were to be voted out after that, you become a non-voting stump that can still fulfill your wincon.)
- You cannot be permanently killed at night. (You start with an individual one-shot bulletproof. If you would be killed after that, you become a non-voting stump that can still fulfill your wincon.)
- If you are a stump, though you can't vote during the day, you will be consulted to resolve ""Plurality tiebreaks.""
- You are not a threat to any alignment.
- You have a compulsive N0 action to ##set your own Alignment, Sanity, and Role for investigative purposes (See list of alignments, sanities, and roles below). This is unblockable and does not actually count as an action. This does not affect your actual Alignment, Sanity or Role.
- Each night, starting with N1, you MAY choose to ##changeling your own Alignment, Sanity, and Role for investigative purposes. This is unblockable and does not actually count as an action. Changes take effect as-of the very start of that night. This does not affect your actual Alignment, Sanity or Role.
- Your goal is to ##solve the game. Each night, you can submit a guess similar to how the game Mastermind works (details TBD). If your guess exactly matches the Alignment, Sanity, and Roles for all remaining players, you win and abscond the game (the game continues).
If any other alignment wins before you, you lose.
Based on ##set and ##changeling actions, for the entire game, Illu investigated as a Normal-Aligned INSANE Alignment-Seer. Their role's flavor fake-claim was "Shermonk Clouseau."


It is now Day 6! Deadline in about 53 hours 4 PM Central Thursday.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 6



Not Voting (5): fool of sound, Maugrim, NeverHelm, PlasticAutomaton, Rhymes With Clue

With 5 alive, it's 3 votes to execute. The current deadline is July 27th, 2023 at 4 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 2 days, 5 hours.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I'm going to assume that the kill was a leftover poisoner kill. So I think at this point we have to kill normal players or they just control the vote?

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
Two paranoids left, I think that's who we have to kill.

##vote Maugrim

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


And I guess now this is just survivor? So much for friendship ending. Who wants to join up with Team Paranoid and just finally end this miserable game?

##vote: RWC

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
I'll settle for a draw I think. ##vote Maugrim

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
Wow this is really unfriendly guys. Come and ##vote No Execute with me and let's all win together.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

CubicalSucrose posted:

Day Eliminations:
- It is possible to vote for “No elimination” (this follows plurality rules)
- In the case of ties, everyone with the most votes on them will be eliminated (if there is a tie between at least one player and “No elimination” then the player(s) WILL be eliminated).

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
Remaining players: 3 alignment cops, 2 sanity cops lol

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
See, because of plurality rules, if you vote me out today, the game drags on for at least two more days and everyone dies at the end with 2 people voting each other

The only way to win from here is to refuse to kill

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
Why not just vote you or Plastic and then no-execute tomorrow? At least then we'll be even.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
Because it's a pointless extra day and then I (or plastic) would presumably lose the game :(

That said, I've been thinking of it as TMor, Punk, Josef and Zoya being the scum and the rest of us being town, so in that sense I've already won my victory. If you really need to vote me off for personal satisfaction I won't hold it against you.

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


##vote: No execute sure why not

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
##vote no execute because it’s more interesting than weird survivor wifom stuff

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
:redhammer: This game will be better without Execute No One!!

Votecount for Day 6
With 5 alive, it's 3 votes to execute. The current deadline is July 27th, 2023 at 4 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 2 days, 2 hours.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

quote:

"And every rube down in Cubeville, the tall and the small, was waiting, without *any* voting or killing at all! The lack of sanity hadn't stopped the endgame from coming, it came! Somehow or other...it came just the same."
Galaxy-Sane Mafia has ended (with a whimper) in a victory for: Team Paranoid --- Sandwolf, Maugrim, Plastic, Shwinn, and Zoya!

Additional (unexpected) victories go to: Rhymes with Clue, Fool of Sound, and Neverhelm (and Illu who already won)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEP7z39NCGs

And I really regret saying this:

CubicalSucrose posted:

Additionally, this is not a game where voting "no elimination" is a broadly winning strategy. Wincons have been provided. (OP was long but I tried to be explicit about 'no "hidden to everyone" win conditions.')

Remaining players were:
Maugrim & NeverHelm - Sanity Checkers
Plastic, RwC, and FoS - Alignment Checkers

-------------------------

What a wild ride! Thanks everyone for indulging me with Concoction #2. Hope it was some level of fun for at least most some of you! After my first game, I took a lot of feedback from many folks into consideration, but there was some really great feedback (specifically from wins) that was ignored, at my peril. (something like "Make sure that when things do go wrong it degrades gracefully into normal mafia.")

To address the question of "Is this Mafia?" - Maugrim a few months back (after I accidentally reinvented Survivor with a setup idea I had), suggested that mafia has "the concepts of town & scum, night kill, day vote." This (experimental) game skirted the edges of those a bit, for sure, but it had most of those. Though what actually played out D1 kicked it over an unfun line. Illu's role could have done something very similar D1. It was a bit risky, probably too risky.

As it was, I felt like the game was much closer to RimWorld 2 (and I cribbed the "experimental" word from that OP) in style, though some disagree. We'd setup spec'd (4 teams of 5) there. In Illu's recent 18-player game, I setup spec'd (6 teams of 3). This did (4 teams of 4) for real.

In any case, here are the main game design notes:

I'd been reading back through the Maf thread on SA and a lot of Ecco's most interesting/hated/loved roles involved some sort of sanity component. But, for reasonable reasons, I hadn't seen any "live" games with sanity considerations since playing again.

In Illu's spoiled-chat discord for Vaguely Strange Feeling, the vaguely strange concept of "Galaxy Brain Mafia" came up. It was very complicated as-discussed. However, it inspired me to come up with the concept for this game. "Build around a sanity-checker role."

I asked Iggy if they wanted to brainstorm with me and we got to chatting. I originally had "say it's sanity-related upfront, maybe fire and ice, have sanity-checkers with some BP to avoid curse-of-interesting-role." Iggy suggested CPR Doc as another sanity-ish-related role. Immediately threw out redirection from the setup.

Very quickly landed on four teams with the team names as the four sanities used.

After mocking up some roles, I landed on the (relatively) elegant (to me) structure of:
- Four teams of four
- Each team gets a Normal sanity-checker (later changed to 3 Normal, 1 Naive to ensure the alignment seers had one of each sanity)
- Each team gets an alignment-seer (one of each sanity)
- Each team gets a different killing role
- And then four unique roles to round things out.

I then added player 17, because four scum is the typical number for a 17-player game. I expected folks to setup spec a lot and they didn't disappoint, but was surprised at how quickly each team immediately jumped to "4 x 4." Keats was quickest.

A few other misc. notes:
- Roger Bannister was a callback to Stepford Wives. Illu's role was also a half-callback. I thought some of the fake Stepford roles were actually really interesting, so felt good about including them.
- "Watcher or Tracker" was a self-insert. Team Insane self-killing that role off (and not using the action N1!) made my job as a mod much easier. I wanted to include this as part of Keats' flip but it felt leaky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY
- Trainee Ninja with the David Carradine hint was a phenomenal moment. That role's Stable Diffusion generated image was probably my favorite.
- The melting Rubik's Cube was something I made for a Photoshop thread a few years back - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3942554&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=12
- Empathized with Somber's "It's rude when people come up with better ideas than you." from Hunters in the Garden, as the idea of "Each team has to eliminate exactly one other team" would've probably gone a lot better.
- Illu's role was something I was very concerned about after seeing chores in Egyptian Job. But it didn't really become relevant.
- The alignment checkers all had single-word role PM differences hinting at their sanities.

Also - Sand being replaced was 100% me misreading/misinterpreting a conversation. Big mod error!

---------------------

Huge huge thanks to Iggy (for initial brainstorming), Clo (for doing all the great flavor and helping correct many of my errors), and Shell for making a lot of the issues with the setup much more clear with their explanations.

As a final note, I hope everyone will always remember that "Three prawns are hardly a galaxy." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sri91uVMoEg

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer
Endlessly disappointed that my autoerotic asphyxiation hint went over Ilu's head.

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
Well I guess this means I won my first games as both scum and town. Sort of.

Fun times! If not entirely what I expected, especially following D1 Alignmentpocalypse.

I'm prepared to never be trusted ever again after that Illu masonry story.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Thanks for the game cube. I’d be lying if I said I understood it but I’m glad you tried to run something new. I was having fun until I died and then I had fun stop trying to figure out how to win

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.




I ruined the game and won the game in the end, really makes you think.

Thanks for the game cube, sorry I broke D1!

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Oh yeah, it WAS all Zoya's fault! I'd almost forgotten.

It was a fun game Cube. Though part of that for me was getting to sit in observer land while the wheels came off, but still fun regardless.

Also I'll always be willing to play some Mafia experiments, even if they don't always work out in the end.

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

NeverHelm posted:

Well I guess this means I won my first games as both scum and town. Sort of.

Fun times! If not entirely what I expected, especially following D1 Alignmentpocalypse.

I'm prepared to never be trusted ever again after that Illu masonry story.

That was such a great lie!

Punkreas
May 13, 2013

*chews on head*
Lipstick Apathy
This game would have been wild and hilarious had we not figured out the four team setup immediately.

It was also crazy that we had half the game info immediately but there was a role that basically had the other half of the info!

"We've gotta protect our NK, so let's make the most of what's left unknown to get some false claims and redirect the other team votes and NKs."

Illu: "Mafia-like activity? In this game?? Hold my beer."

Initially I thought Illu was going to be a Q-like character and sow some chaos through sanity alterations but I can see now had the game played out as expected that it would have been a little too much chaos.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Cloacamazing! posted:

That was such a great lie!

I believed it! Good job

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Punkreas posted:

This game would have been wild and hilarious had we not figured out the four team setup immediately.

It was also crazy that we had half the game info immediately but there was a role that basically had the other half of the info!

"We've gotta protect our NK, so let's make the most of what's left unknown to get some false claims and redirect the other team votes and NKs."

Illu: "Mafia-like activity? In this game?? Hold my beer."

Initially I thought Illu was going to be a Q-like character and sow some chaos through sanity alterations but I can see now had the game played out as expected that it would have been a little too much chaos.

At that point I hadn't even realized each team only had 1 person capable of killing so I was honestly very puzzled why one of you had lied

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Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

JosefStalinator posted:

Endlessly disappointed that my autoerotic asphyxiation hint went over Ilu's head.

I did try to google it, but most people I got were politicians, never even heard of the actor you were.

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