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MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003



My grandparents in their late 70's told me that working a 6-6 12 hour night shift meant that i was lazy because i slept all day, that's the general attitude i feel from people who poo poo on night shifts

MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jul 13, 2024

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Bloopsy
Jun 1, 2006

Thanks Shitman!
Gas station near me used to be 24/7 and after the pandemic switched to 5am-11pm, which is totally fine. This week there was a sign on the doors saying the new hours were now 8am-8pm, which is crazy since it’s located on a busy highway leading into town and is the only gas station in that part. I know they have been having problems hiring and retaining staff, so much so that employees have asked me if I want to work there, but those hours seem pretty ridiculous. Only alternative is literally driving across town, which turns a 5 minute round trip into 20+ for anyone on the west side.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

MrQwerty posted:

My grandparents in their late 70's told me that working a 6-6 12 hour night shift meant that i was lazy because i slept all day, that's the general attitude i feel from people who poo poo on night shifts

I loving hate how much of society is exclusively catered to people with one specific sleep pattern

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

MrQwerty posted:

My grandparents in their late 70's told me that working a 6-6 12 hour night shift meant that i was lazy because i slept all day, that's the general attitude i feel from people who poo poo on night shifts

But the night is when people sleep. Which means you're sleeping at work. And then you sleep all day too. So lazy!

Brain not compute otherwise.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003



the whole thing is that you're supposed to incentivize people who can actually work that shift to work that shift, across the board. No 24 hour Mickey D's? Fine, I'll go eat some eggs at home when im done and deal with it.
No loving gas pumps until 7:30AM and I have to drive across town? I don't like where the needle is at and didn't wake up 2 hours early for work, so I guess I'm sitting here for an hour.

i guess i earned that extra money you hate me for making for no reason when i went to work while you were asleep!

nah just stop having night shifts except for making all the stuff that is critical to society

MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jul 13, 2024

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Did you know that frequent sleep deprivation is a form of toruture?

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003



Improbable Lobster posted:

Did you know that frequent sleep deprivation is a form of toruture?

one time they kept us to 9 at the drug factory on the day our weekend started for a "mandatory" meeting none of us needed to be at, and my buddy said something along those lines and then we got up and walked out with our entire shift. We never heard another word about it.

Nettle Soup
Jan 30, 2010

Oh, and Jones was there too.

credburn posted:

Well it's off to a bad start so far.



That sucks, but it's not such a high number. My main email is at 26 and my mum's (she's been dead since 2018) is at 16. Even the email I got as a teenager and never use for anything except paypal nowadays is at 10.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Dip Viscous posted:

Samsung does phones so badly that I'd almost say it's a uniquely Samsung problem. Tons of bloatware, installing poo poo without asking, everything in the interface moved around and/or renamed for no reason. My first phone was a Galaxy and it sucked rear end and I stopped using at after a couple of months, every phone since then has pretty much been regular Android OS. My current Motorola has some weird motion gesture control poo poo but it's one button to turn it off during initial setup and never think about it again.

It's not just phones that Samsung suck at, they have so many models of every single line of tech that they release every year that their software and firmware suffers too. If you've also ever tried to use their website to access firmware for something it used to send you in circles, you'd never actually be able to access the page with the firmware downloads. Customer service will also take at least 3 days to get back to you and just send you a link to the page which will then send you in circles again. They seem really against just mailing you the file.

I unfortunately have to work with Samsung stuff at the moment at my job but my experiences with their kit and subsequent nightmare trying to get updates for them means they're no longer on my buy list. My integrators also never recommend them for similar reasons.

I recently had trouble with a Samsung LED wall which one section had died in. We have replacements individual LED panels plus the hardware that powers them, it was this hardware that had died (it's no wonder they supplied half a dozen spares). Anyway I replaced that and the screen worked again but I had to get the software from Samsung and a calibration tool to match the brightness/colours etc. They sent me a broken tool. Samsung are the worst.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

Just by apple durrrrrrr

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Bloopsy posted:

I know they have been having problems hiring and retaining staff, so much so that employees have asked me if I want to work there, but those hours seem pretty ridiculous.

I think "can't find enough employees" is a bigger factor here than most people realize.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

Are you sure it's not "won't pay a proper amount for the job to be worth doing because it cuts into my yearly bonus as the owner/operator" though?

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Wendigee posted:

Are you sure it's not "won't pay a proper amount for the job to be worth doing because it cuts into my yearly bonus as the owner/operator" though?

No I agree, that's probably the main reason they can't find enough people. Wages haven't kept up with our new era of inflation. I think there are a few other things in the mix but that's likely the big one.

I mean, wages weren't keeping up with the cost of living before either but recently we seem to have passed a tipping point.

wash bucket fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jul 13, 2024

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003



That can't possibly be it *buys new rental property on software seized by the FBI for artificially inflating a housing crisis*

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004



Wages may be low here but rent isn't so bad and I can live car free so...

Edit: Also, I have comprehensive healthcare

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

MrQwerty posted:

lmao why do you hate people who work on night shifts

its not imposed on anyone, take it or leave it with the poo poo it carries, positive and negative.
poo poo stopped being open late all of a sudden, after decades of being open late, and then decided to close even earlier.
it's not a OOO BABBY DONT GET HIS NUGGIES LOL situation, it's a "people work and exist during hours you don't," situation, gently caress YOU IDIOT PACK A LUNCH is a nice way of going about that.

It’s like you’re angry at me because there are no places open at night? I’m not sure what I did to cause that but I’m sorry it happened to you.

I’m just pointing out that a) it’s capitalism’s fault and b) there are strategies to adopt which will leave you nourished at work even despite these difficulties

E: so the thing that got shittier is the pay offered to service workers on off-hours? I guess.

Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jul 13, 2024

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

Ask me how I smuggled 3 ORBs out of Alaskan Black Pyramid!

Escape From Noise posted:

Wages may be low here but rent isn't so bad and I can live car free so...

Edit: Also, I have comprehensive healthcare

Well here in the old USA we dont need comprehensive healthcare. We have access to affordable healthcare! Wait, my insurance wants to do a spinal tap to prove I really, really have narcolepsy and am not just faking it?

Well, gently caress. This loving sucks.

kdrudy
Sep 19, 2009

DeeplyConcerned posted:

Well here in the old USA we dont need comprehensive healthcare. We have access to affordable healthcare! Wait, my insurance wants to do a spinal tap to prove I really, really have narcolepsy and am not just faking it?

Well, gently caress. This loving sucks.

And turns out the doctor you've gone to for 40 years isn't in your new plan so now you owe ten thousand dollars for the checkup they gave you.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004



DeeplyConcerned posted:

Well here in the old USA we dont need comprehensive healthcare. We have access to affordable healthcare! Wait, my insurance wants to do a spinal tap to prove I really, really have narcolepsy and am not just faking it?

Well, gently caress. This loving sucks.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it!
[Blues rock riff plays]

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Improbable Lobster posted:

I loving hate how much of society is exclusively catered to people with one specific sleep pattern
I loving hate the attitudes.

I just have a naturally weird cycle. I will naturally drift towards sleeping between 5am to 11am if left without any structure. I always feel my most naturally alert from 4pm onwards.
I can mold and warp the sleep pattern, but if left alone this is what my body wants to do.

Nah, I'm 'lazy' because I'm not up on the dot at 6am and in bed by 9pm.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004



Sleep rules.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003



Hippie Hedgehog posted:

It’s like you’re angry at me because there are no places open at night? I’m not sure what I did to cause that but I’m sorry it happened to you.

I’m just pointing out that a) it’s capitalism’s fault and b) there are strategies to adopt which will leave you nourished at work even despite these difficulties

E: so the thing that got shittier is the pay offered to service workers on off-hours? I guess.

it's your callous attitude and "well guess that's your fault lol gently caress you for working nights!" reaction to it, which is most of society, when it's already been a real problem to staff since forever and is only going to get ever worse

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

Croccers posted:

I loving hate the attitudes.

I just have a naturally weird cycle. I will naturally drift towards sleeping between 5am to 11am if left without any structure. I always feel my most naturally alert from 4pm onwards.
I can mold and warp the sleep pattern, but if left alone this is what my body wants to do.

Nah, I'm 'lazy' because I'm not up on the dot at 6am and in bed by 9pm.

:same: :hfive:

I just poked around on maps, checking out all the diners I used to get my late dinners/post midnight hangout at while freelancing. They’re all closed. All of ‘em. Not just “not open overnight,” gone.
So that’s lovely not just for me, but for everyone who worked there.

Even the Del Taco near me is gone. When did that happen? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one close before. That’s like closing a McDonald’s. Guess “no one wanted to work.”

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?
Isn’t this simply what a recession is? That there is less demand for services and goods, so jobs vanish as a consequence?

I mean clearly people ITT are demanding night time food services, but also clearly not enough others are demanding them since they are no longer being offered.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

Supply and demand eh

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Trust in the Free Market

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

I was reading the fountain head earlier and

Cerekk
Sep 24, 2004

Mr. Beast fucking rules

DM me to get in on my Feastables referral program
Clearly the more likely explanation here is that businesses have chosen to make less profit in order to spite night owls.

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Isn’t this simply what a recession is? That there is less demand for services and goods, so jobs vanish as a consequence?

I mean clearly people ITT are demanding night time food services, but also clearly not enough others are demanding them since they are no longer being offered.

Yeah I suppose it is. A lot of the closures are from 2020 too, I think. So many of my favorite little places, food and otherwise, didn’t survive that year.

Even if there’s a well defined economic reason for it, seeing all those empty shopfronts still makes me a bit sad. LA’s a big place but it feels smaller now, somehow.

bar88537
Nov 8, 2004

Wendigee posted:

Are you sure it's not "won't pay a proper amount for the job to be worth doing because it cuts into my yearly bonus as the owner/operator" though?

The hospital I work at hasn't updated the shift differentials since the 90s (supposedly). We have 1 shift that gets 50 cents an hour, so $4 a shift. I don't think it's a new enshittification, but more a lack of labor pushback.

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Isn’t this simply what a recession is? That there is less demand for services and goods, so jobs vanish as a consequence?

I mean clearly people ITT are demanding night time food services, but also clearly not enough others are demanding them since they are no longer being offered.

Maybe it's the so-called labor shortage? Nearly every fast food place I see has huge "WE'RE HIRING" signs which I assume are for day shifts because they're not open past 10 PM anymore, and few people want to clean fryers AND stay up late if they don't have to.

I'm still able to get slop delivered through doordash from 'ghost kitchens', which I imagine eats into the late-night drivethru business

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Grocery stores just stock poo poo during the day now, blocking aisles, in addition to the workers picking up items for Express Pick Up with the extra large carts. They don’t even pretend to give a poo poo about the customers anymore.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 1, 2004

PROCEED

je1 healthcare posted:

Maybe it's the so-called labor shortage? Nearly every fast food place I see has huge "WE'RE HIRING" signs which I assume are for day shifts because they're not open past 10 PM anymore, and few people want to clean fryers AND stay up late if they don't have to.

I'm still able to get slop delivered through doordash from 'ghost kitchens', which I imagine eats into the late-night drivethru business

Not open past 10pm and a lot of places by me are still drive-thru only. Still often feels like pando times.

Nowher
Nov 29, 2019

pack your bags

Professor Shark posted:

Grocery stores just stock poo poo during the day now, blocking aisles, in addition to the workers picking up items for Express Pick Up with the extra large carts. They don’t even pretend to give a poo poo about the customers anymore.


Yep, all supermarkets near me start a massive restock every night around 8- 9 pm, which is when I like to go since it's quieter. The isles can be so full of boxes and carts that you're running a gauntlet and impossible to even get a trolley through. What's the point of keeping the store open if it's impossible to do an actual shop ffs?

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

BlackIronHeart posted:

Not open past 10pm and a lot of places by me are still drive-thru only. Still often feels like pando times.
It is still pando times

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

je1 healthcare posted:

Maybe it's the so-called labor shortage? Nearly every fast food place I see has huge "WE'RE HIRING" signs which I assume are for day shifts because they're not open past 10 PM anymore, and few people want to clean fryers AND stay up late if they don't have to.

I'm still able to get slop delivered through doordash from 'ghost kitchens', which I imagine eats into the late-night drivethru business
At least when I was at Gas Station w/ Subway, Subway's WE'RE HIRING sign was permanent.
All it did was put your name into a pile at head office that you could get pulled out from at a random timeframe to work for random store area (sorted into Northern/Southern/West/East locations).

Dip Viscous
Sep 17, 2019

A convenience store near me has had "now hiring all shifts" on their big LED sign for years and the people that work there have told me that the applications just go in the garbage because there's no intention of filling the vacant positions. One employee that doesn't get a break for their whole 16 hour shift is more profitable than having three employees like there used to be.

And then they get reprimanded for not sweeping the parking lot enough, which they couldn't do because they were, you know, at the cash register all day because it's a store.

Dip Viscous fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jul 14, 2024

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I've spent about 9 years of my life working 7-3, 8-4, 10-6, those kinds of hours, overnight. Nothing pisses me off more than people who've never had to do that telling me how awful and wrong it is that people have to do that, and how no one should have to. I know it sucks, I've lived it, I don't need to hear your unearned sanctimony.

Dip Viscous
Sep 17, 2019

People being completely unable to understand that there's more than one circadian rhythm is the only thing I dislike about night shift. Even when I was a kid it was typical for me to go to bed when I got home from school and wake up around 10 PM so I'm pretty dang sure I'm not a day person.

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Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Dip Viscous posted:

People being completely unable to understand that there's more than one circadian rhythm is the only thing I dislike about night shift. Even when I was a kid it was typical for me to go to bed when I got home from school and wake up around 10 PM so I'm pretty dang sure I'm not a day person.

Nah ur just lazy and unmotiveate and antisocial :v:

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