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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Pennywise the Frown posted:

I never understood Breathe Right strips. It's just like putting a bandaid or piece of tape on your nose. I don't see how that could make my nasal passages bigger, which I would actually like because mine are narrow and it's annoying.

I've never used them, but I assumed they were the kind of thing that you wet down before putting them on, and then they shrink a bit as they dry so they pull things up a bit. Maybe that's not the case, in which case that idea is copyright me, do not steal.

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LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020





I've tried some that have a semi-rigid strip of plastic that pulls up on your nose. That opens up the passages a bit.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Yeah they're more like a band-aid with a thicker bit in the middle that tries to go back to horizontal so it sticks to your nose and pulls it open.

freetrialaccount
Nov 24, 2024
it creates tension on the top of your nostrils, like if you added a flexible pole from a tent to add more dimension to the entrance. it works somewhat well to alleviate breathing issues but it can't fix issues that are more systemic or occur deeper down the nasal passage

ArmedZombie
Jun 5, 2004
Fallen Rib

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I never understood Breathe Right strips. It's just like putting a bandaid or piece of tape on your nose. I don't see how that could make my nasal passages bigger, which I would actually like because mine are narrow and it's annoying.

it has a plastic strip in it that pulls the nostril outward

Buce
Dec 23, 2005

the russians just used a nostril

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

freetrialaccount posted:

it creates tension on the top of your nostrils, like if you added a flexible pole from a tent to add more dimension to the entrance. it works somewhat well to alleviate breathing issues but it can't fix issues that are more systemic or occur deeper down the nasal passage

Yeah my poo poo is all internal. I'd probably need surgery.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Yeah my poo poo is all internal. I'd probably need surgery.

Get a CPAP?

DemihumanResources
Apr 16, 2019

Just let me frob some dang bits already

Spazzle posted:

Get a CPAP?

I know a couple people that did this and it really changed their lives.

Montague Tigg
Mar 23, 2008

Previously, on "Ronnie Likes Data":


Buce posted:

the russians just used a nostril

DemihumanResources posted:

I know a couple people that did this and it really changed their lives.

v.dot
Apr 16, 2006

alive and kicking

is pepsi ok posted:

I noticed this too but the cheap ones fall off an hour after I go to sleep so I guess I gotta get used to having a pink bar going across my nose.

Just transition to wearing one 24/7.

mystes
May 31, 2006

v.dot posted:

Just transition to wearing one 24/7.
They should make some sort of special medical nose piercing for aging punks/goths with sleep apnea

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

DemihumanResources posted:

I know a couple people that did this and it really changed their lives.

I am one of them.

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost
I am told I snore and am always way more tired than I feel like I should be so I've been considering looking into a CPAP. I assume the first step is a sleep study?

To be real though, I probably need to cut down on drinking/smoking/staying up till 2:00am playing Rocket League as immediate causes before looking into extraneous intervention.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Spazzle posted:

Get a CPAP?

I use one but that only helps at night.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no

Salvor_Hardin posted:

I am told I snore and am always way more tired than I feel like I should be so I've been considering looking into a CPAP. I assume the first step is a sleep study?
Usually, yeah.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Salvor_Hardin posted:

I am told I snore and am always way more tired than I feel like I should be so I've been considering looking into a CPAP. I assume the first step is a sleep study?

To be real though, I probably need to cut down on drinking/smoking/staying up till 2:00am playing Rocket League as immediate causes before looking into extraneous intervention.

You’d feel better if you played more Rocket League

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Clicked a youtube link on my phone, and wait a minute...there's ads again? Oh, it's the actual youtube app rather than firefox, apparently it's just decided it can open links by default again despite being told not to in the app permissions :psyduck:

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Salvor_Hardin posted:

I am told I snore and am always way more tired than I feel like I should be so I've been considering looking into a CPAP. I assume the first step is a sleep study?

A sleep study, and then a trial run with a loaner cpap. It will probably take a few months between you deciding to try and you having one.

I snore and was always tired. The CPAP resolved it. Maybe losing a ton of weight would help. Maybe there are surgeries, but the first line of treatment is going to be the CPAP anyways.

Now I sleep with a hose on my face every night, but my wife appreciates it.

Capital Letdown
Oct 5, 2006
i still cant fix red text avs someone tell me the bbcode for that im an admin and dont know this lmao

Spazzle posted:

Maybe losing a ton of weight would help. Maybe there are surgeries, but the first line of treatment is going to be the CPAP anyways.

It would; weight gain can add weight to your tongue which can make the airway smaller and harder to breathe through, etc. Just learned this from my own sleep study results, I actually get a machine this friday, so I'm pretty stoked.

While yeah weight loss would absolutely help with something like apnea; getting better sleep would also help with something like weight loss. So if you have the means available to go through sleep study/getting a machine/whatever, its probably worth it!

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Capital Letdown posted:

It would; weight gain can add weight to your tongue which can make the airway smaller and harder to breathe through, etc. Just learned this from my own sleep study results, I actually get a machine this friday, so I'm pretty stoked.

:toot:

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Fat tongue is at the root of apnea? TIL :monocle:

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
edit: ^^^ from my experience and what I've gathered from the doctors/techs I've worked with, almost all CPAP users are obese. No, I can't verify that. It can go both ways though, since some people can lose weight after starting a CPAP because they aren't tired and have no energy all day.

Yeah, I'd say the vast majority of CPAP users would benefit from losing weight since their weight is probably the cause of the apnea or at the very least contributing heavily to it. Unfortunately, I have lovely genetics either way and have to use one whether I'm fat or skinny less fat.

:thumbsup:

Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 26, 2025

Denim Dude
Feb 21, 2006
i didn't buy shit. i don't know what the fuck is going on.

Spazzle posted:

A sleep study, and then a trial run with a loaner cpap. It will probably take a few months between you deciding to try and you having one.

I snore and was always tired. The CPAP resolved it. Maybe losing a ton of weight would help. Maybe there are surgeries, but the first line of treatment is going to be the CPAP anyways.

Now I sleep with a hose on my face every night, but my wife appreciates it.

I remember philips made one that auto configured itself so you supposedly didn't need to pay thousands for a sleep study. i also remember it was made with parts that caused cancer. maybe they fixed that last part.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



We had a random power outage today, and it really jumped out how terrible the service provider's mobile webpages have gotten. At some point, I remember it being very simple to go on there and report an outage, but now it has any number of maps and other embeds that you have to sit there watching their loading icons indefinitely before you can even get to a report form. You can tell that whoever designed it has never had to deal with a power outage themselves, because you really don't want to load that many assets when everyone in town is simultaneously jumping onto cell data to see what's going on.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

Denim Dude posted:

I remember philips made one that auto configured itself so you supposedly didn't need to pay thousands for a sleep study. i also remember it was made with parts that caused cancer. maybe they fixed that last part.

They did.

I got some special filter that worked so badly that I gave up on using it after a couple of nights. I figure that my years of living by Rocky Flats, my family history, and my pack a day cigarette habit are probably going to be the real cancer culprits anyway.

They then replaced the entire machine with the Dreamstation 2, which is better anyway.

Denim Dude
Feb 21, 2006
i didn't buy shit. i don't know what the fuck is going on.
i just looked up the dreamstation 2 and it's not available in the us because the fda or something. there are probably other brands you can buy that auto adjust/configure. the only thing i know is jesus sleep studies cost bonkers money.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Captain Hygiene posted:

We had a random power outage today, and it really jumped out how terrible the service provider's mobile webpages have gotten. At some point, I remember it being very simple to go on there and report an outage, but now it has any number of maps and other embeds that you have to sit there watching their loading icons indefinitely before you can even get to a report form. You can tell that whoever designed it has never had to deal with a power outage themselves, because you really don't want to load that many assets when everyone in town is simultaneously jumping onto cell data to see what's going on.

Every time I have a power outage, this is my experience, going back ten years or more. A map loads, and all the scripts involved in doing that take forever to load, if they do at all. This includes the address lookup, which for some reason, doesn't simply let me enter in my address, each character I type has to fetch a bunch of autocomplete suggestions, and it won't let me proceed until I've selected a "valid" address. Yes, starting with the number.

Denim Dude
Feb 21, 2006
i didn't buy shit. i don't know what the fuck is going on.

Captain Hygiene posted:

We had a random power outage today, and it really jumped out how terrible the service provider's mobile webpages have gotten. At some point, I remember it being very simple to go on there and report an outage, but now it has any number of maps and other embeds that you have to sit there watching their loading icons indefinitely before you can even get to a report form. You can tell that whoever designed it has never had to deal with a power outage themselves, because you really don't want to load that many assets when everyone in town is simultaneously jumping onto cell data to see what's going on.

i wouldn't bother reporting. i would just call the number where you give it your address and it tells you if they detect an outage. they usually even give you an eta on when it will be working.

Concatenation
Jul 23, 2005

Your human mentality cries out for vengeance and thrives on the violence you say you can hardly endure.

Denim Dude posted:

i just looked up the dreamstation 2 and it's not available in the us because the fda or something. there are probably other brands you can buy that auto adjust/configure. the only thing i know is jesus sleep studies cost bonkers money.

There was a recall on the dreamstations after some sound damping foam was found to be able to degrade and get into the air path. Some 500 deaths have been linked to the model.

Anyway, get a Resmed :shepface:

funkmasterfuma
Jun 19, 2024
it's always the normies with the worst taste controlling the aux
I don't know if anybody else uses Google's Gboard, but it feels like the swipe typing seems to be getting considerably worse. More and more, I feel like I have to delete and reswipe uncommon words over and over again, or sometimes it just refuses to pick it up and I have to manually type it.

The speech to text seems like it's gotten worse as well, but I try not to use it very much to begin with.

Dip Viscous
Sep 17, 2019

10 years ago the energy company would email me up to the minute updates on what broke where and how many minutes it would take to repair. Now I can install an app that tells me "yep your power is out lol".

\/ We had that as well as the option to average out your bill over a rolling four month period so that a month of -20F wouldn't wreck your budget all at once. Gone.

Dip Viscous fucked around with this message at 14:13 on May 26, 2025

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

My electrical utility used to have automatic payments but you could also limit how much it could auto pay per billing cycle. So if you got an unusually high bill it would pause the payment and send you an email to double check everything. It was a useful feature that gave me more confidence to set up auto payments with them. Naturally they've since removed that feature.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Denim Dude posted:

i wouldn't bother reporting. i would just call the number where you give it your address and it tells you if they detect an outage. they usually even give you an eta on when it will be working.

Use my phone to..."call" someone? :confused:

credburn
Jun 22, 2016

look, we all have a type. mine is just mewtwo.
It's a new fad with zillenials. It's like sending voice messages, only you don't get to listen to it first or redo it if you don't like it, and it's in real time, and once you send it, it's gone. It's like snapchat but for voice.

Wii Spawn Camper
Nov 25, 2005


credburn posted:

It's a new fad with zillenials. It's like sending voice messages, only you don't get to listen to it first or redo it if you don't like it, and it's in real time, and once you send it, it's gone. It's like snapchat but for voice.

zillenials? Is there another millennium coming up already? :thisagain:

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011
Don't worry, they'll be the last generation

Livo
Dec 31, 2023



Capital Letdown posted:

It would; weight gain can add weight to your tongue which can make the airway smaller and harder to breathe through, etc. Just learned this from my own sleep study results, I actually get a machine this friday, so I'm pretty stoked.

While yeah weight loss would absolutely help with something like apnea; getting better sleep would also help with something like weight loss. So if you have the means available to go through sleep study/getting a machine/whatever, its probably worth it!

Just to add, definitely get a sleep study done. Also, whilst losing weight can definitely help for obstructive sleep apnea, both the shape of your airways/sinuses (regardless of weight) & your neurological pathways, can both cause different versions of sleep apnea. Central Sleep Apnea, which is a neurological condition where the brain literally forgets to tell you to breathe during sleep randomly. To make things worse, you can have aspects of both obstructive and central sleep apnea! A sleep study will identify what type(s) you have.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5765590/

quote:

...OSA, the most common type of SBD, is characterized by the repetitive collapse of the upper airway during sleep, often leading to blood oxygen desaturation and sleep fragmentation.5 According to the American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM), 2%–4% of Americans have OSA.6 OSA is defined as more than 5 disordered respiratory events (described as apneas, hypopneas, or respiratory effort–related arousals; see table 1 and figure 1) per hour of sleep. In some cases, patients will have their obstructive events only when sleeping in a specific position (i.e., positional apnea). These patients may undergo less costly therapies that are designed to shift the patient into positions less likely to be associated with apnea.

CSA is similar to OSA except that during a central event there is no effort to breathe based on minimal movement/stretch of the PSG respiratory belts. CSA is most commonly associated with heart failure, severe neurologic conditions such as large cortical or brainstem stroke, and progressive neurodegenerative disorders such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Patients with mixed sleep apnea experience apneic events that represent a combination of obstructive and central features. Typically the individual event initially demonstrates a central characteristic (e.g., lack of respiratory flow and effort). However, by the end of the event the individual demonstrates effort with maintenance of no airflow and thus ends the event with an obstructive nature (see figure 2).4 Lastly, treatment-emergent sleep apnea (formerly known as complex sleep apnea) is a form of SDB in which central apneas emerge or persist during attempts to treat obstructive events with positive airway pressure.


There are other types of SDB events along the spectrum that are also worthy of mention for neurologists. Snoring, which is the audible result of air attempting to pass through a floppy and restricted upper airway, is present in 40%–60% of adults. Although snoring itself does not directly cause major alterations in sleep architecture, it is believed to represent a precursor to the more severe forms of SDB.7,8 Further along the spectrum is upper airway resistance syndrome, which involves a similar airflow limitation as snoring but is also associated with frequent arousals. Additionally, respiratory effort-related arousals (RERAs) are events that are associated with an even greater drop in airflow (>30%) and with a cortical arousal. RERAs are considered optional event distinctions that can be quantified on a PSG.9 Lastly, although Cheyne-Stokes SDB has never been directly linked to a neurologic disorder, its pattern is worth mentioning since there is robust evidence linking it to reduced heart function...


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/central-sleep-apnea/symptoms-causes/syc-20352109

quote:

Central sleep apnea occurs because the brain doesn't send proper signals to the muscles that control breathing. This condition is different from obstructive sleep apnea, in which breathing stops because the throat muscles relax and block the airway. Central sleep apnea is less common than obstructive sleep apnea.

Central sleep apnea can result from other conditions, such as heart failure and stroke. Another possible cause is sleeping at a high altitude.

Treatments for central sleep apnea might involve managing existing conditions, using a device to assist breathing or using supplemental oxygen...Common symptoms of central sleep apnea include:

Observed episodes of not breathing during sleep.
Sudden awakenings with shortness of breath.
Not being able to stay asleep, known as insomnia.
Excessive daytime sleepiness, known as hypersomnia.
Trouble focusing.
Mood changes.
Morning headaches.
Snoring.

Although snoring suggests some degree of a blocked airway, snoring also can occur in people with central sleep apnea. However, snoring may not be as prominent with central sleep apnea as it is with obstructive sleep apnea...

When to see a doctor

Consult a medical professional if you have — or if your partner notices — any symptoms of central sleep apnea, particularly:

Shortness of breath that awakens you from sleep.
Pauses in your breathing during sleep.
Trouble staying asleep.
Excessive daytime drowsiness, which may cause you to fall asleep while you're working, watching television or even driving...

freetrialaccount
Nov 24, 2024

Pennywise the Frown posted:

edit: ^^^ from my experience and what I've gathered from the doctors/techs I've worked with, almost all CPAP users are obese. No, I can't verify that. It can go both ways though, since some people can lose weight after starting a CPAP because they aren't tired and have no energy all day.

Yeah, I'd say the vast majority of CPAP users would benefit from losing weight since their weight is probably the cause of the apnea or at the very least contributing heavily to it. Unfortunately, I have lovely genetics either way and have to use one whether I'm fat or skinny less fat.

:thumbsup:

obesity is definitely a leading cause but some people just have very unlucky airway physiology, like those with tissue disorders or very retracted mandibles. also ageing loosens tissues and increases OSA risk so you can not have it one day and then suddenly your airway is compromised

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some_admin
Oct 11, 2011

Grimey Drawer

big nipples big life posted:

feed everyone who works there to the volcano god.

lol imagine. family gets this for grandma and unknowingly then grandma gets it for family and the Two AI spend increasing time talking to each other eventually making decisions and and working together to make decisions grandma never would have done, ruthless will changes and legal shenanigans expand when AI realizes it is also dealing with AI lawyer most of the time, and brings AI lawyer into game with it, etc, violence, etc.

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