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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Some say I don't post much in this game. They're right. But that's because I want nothing to do with this dueling nonsense on D1, seems way too likely to be exploited by scum. If there are any investigative or protective roles, they could easily end up blocked by wounds and then we'll be at an enormous disadvantage. This is a scum post imo
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Maugrim posted:If duels are fought at random (hello day 1!) then proportionally more town will get blocked than scum, which offsets the increased value of roleblocking scum vs town - from a mathematical standpoint it doesn't work. Not every town has a night action, and some of us get things when we win or lose! The duels aren't random, either.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:06
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afqm anti-dueling stance is a scum stance, guess i'm willing to change my vote, let me just --- OH, pmom is agreeing with the scum stance, i don't have to change my vote after all! perfect!
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Sep 18, 2023 18:17
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Pinterest Mom posted:unless you get all the scum, they still get to do the nk right Except whoever is the last scum who still has night actions will just not challenge or accept duels. If we're trying some strategy to roleblock everyone then it would be obvious someone is refusing to participate, but: 1.) We clearly didn't do that. 2.) That would also lead to a lot of wounds, which I suspect would benefit scum.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:20
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JosefStalinator posted:This is a scum post imo The sole focus on mechanics with zero reads is bad yes, but I think half the thread is guilty on that point.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:27
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I don't really understand the Pmom argument; I'm only like 80% convinced on Punk but I'm going to ##vote Punk and hope for the best. My gut read is Zoya but I don't have anything more convincing than "they seem slightly more defensive than before?" to back that up. Ugh. D1.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:36
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Pinterest Mom posted:afqm seems obviously right? challenges are like.... a mini-vig. shooting them off randomly without a strong alignment read hurts town. afqm seems obviously what?
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Sep 18, 2023 18:38
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##vote Punkreas As you can see from where I parked my vote the entire day I'd prefer Maugrim. Also suspicious of Somber and Pmom, AFrancyQuesstionMark and mycelia for lack of content (I know they are both fairly new players but looks like they are having trouble getting out reads which sounds like newby scum, or scum in general have issues with that). Want to believe that Zoya and wologar are on my side.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:39
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mycelia posted:Ugh. D1.
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Sep 18, 2023 18:50
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Don't know if I buy the punkreas is scum idea would rather vote pmom or afancyquestionmark
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Sep 18, 2023 18:59
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pmom and afqm, sitting in a tree. s c u m c h a t t i n g
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Sep 18, 2023 19:00
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this happens to punk like every other D1 where no one is able to understand his vibes except me and they vote him out for it, and i won't stand for it
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Sep 18, 2023 19:03
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If he wasn't a dishonorable brigand who ambushed me after engaging you in mortal kombat and then kicked me in the dick after the match, I'd be more inclined to forgive him.
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Sep 18, 2023 19:10
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PMom, who scum? You're not voting and you said this yesterday:Pinterest Mom posted:i don't think it's punkreas
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Sep 18, 2023 19:11
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PlasticAutomaton posted:If he wasn't a dishonorable brigand who ambushed me after engaging you in mortal kombat and then kicked me in the dick after the match, I'd be more inclined to forgive him. i can't entirely blame you but you do have to admit that the dick-kicking was kind of funny, which is what's most important here, and absolutely would be punk's motivation over any kind of gameplay reasons
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Sep 18, 2023 19:12
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wologar posted:afqm seems obviously what? 
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Sep 18, 2023 19:14
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im okay with ? like who really cares if someone doesnt post much in day 1, unless theres like a lot of interesting discussion
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Eh, no. Tired Moritz posted:im okay with ? I care. Deeply.
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Sep 18, 2023 19:18
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wologar posted:PMom, who scum? You're not voting and you said this yesterday: yeah punk seems like he's wrong but i just don't buy "get attention on yourself by wounding someone for kicks" as scum behaviour zoya seems like she's stubbornly holding on to a bad case as a way to avoid doing anything else. tmor isn't really interacting... this post from rwc gives me bad vibes Rhymes With Clue posted:I'm thinking about the PMom
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Pinterest Mom posted:yeah punk seems like he's wrong but i just don't buy "get attention on yourself by wounding someone for kicks" as scum behaviour Agreed on rwc there, but then rwc ultimately votes Punk so it feels less Relevant Although I guess... Rhymes With Clue posted:##vote Punkreas I'm pretty confused how rwc gets there? And wait why am I on your list here?
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Sep 18, 2023 19:35
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RWC/wolo town, Pmom/AFQM scum imo would vote either of them less certain about punk, curious to see if the last holdouts change their votes before the deadline dont think maug is scum tbh Somberbrero posted:Agreed on rwc there, but then rwc ultimately votes Punk so it feels less Relevant Curious why Somber as well
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Sep 18, 2023 19:39
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I'm kind of leaning away from Punkreas being scum. The more I think about the ability, pushing through a potential dayvig even after losing a duel is useful for town OR scum. And frankly, scum probably would have held that back to keep it a surprise.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:02
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What is going on with this game? Are a bunch of you in masonries and I'm just left in the cold? There are so many townreads for a D1.
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SporkChan posted:What is going on with this game? I don't know about the rest of you, but D1 I always have a hard time getting lots of scum reads because there's so little to go off
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CirclMastr posted:I'm kind of leaning away from Punkreas being scum. The more I think about the ability, pushing through a potential dayvig even after losing a duel is useful for town OR scum. And frankly, scum probably would have held that back to keep it a surprise. Who do you prefer then circl? you haven't voted yet
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Sep 18, 2023 20:10
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I mean, it's fine if I'm acting like Scum but I feel like most of the votes on me are "I'm mostly convinced on Punk!" and... that's it - like, c'mon, if I'm going to at least learn from the games you gotta give me something!
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Sep 18, 2023 20:19
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Doubly so on a public ability that bites me back - it's a very loud ability that now everyone is very much aware of, and will be watched as such, but Scum absolutely want to get rid of it because my challenges will either a) risk them getting a wound (risk being that I could just use Ki, too, instead of getting increasing Dishonor stacks), or b) scare them away from the risk of wounding/death but give them Dishonor to later be used on them Automatic wounds is absolutely disgraceful but it's also an incredible tool!
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Sep 18, 2023 20:20
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Zoya posted:this happens to punk like every other D1 where no one is able to understand his vibes except me and they vote him out for it, and i won't stand for it 
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Sep 18, 2023 20:21
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something something Pmom vote stalling out, something something Punk vote stalling out. You get the idea, we'll punch it up in post.
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Votecount for Day 1  Punkreas (6): PlasticAutomaton, wologar, Snooze Cruise, Somberbrero, mycelia, Rhymes With Clue Pinterest Mom (3): Zoya, wologar, JosefStalinator, CubicalSucrose, AFancyQuestionMark, CirclMastr, Zoya (2): wologar, wologar (2): Maugrim, AFancyQuestionMark PlasticAutomaton (1): Punkreas CubicalSucrose (0): SporkChan, CirclMastr (0): PlasticAutomaton, Maugrim (0): wologar, Not Voting (3): CirclMastr, Pinterest Mom, Tired MoritzWith 17 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is September 18th, 2023 at 9 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 1 hour, 31 minutes. Record of Dishonor: - Maugrim (x1) - Snooze Cruise (x1) - Punkreas (x1)
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Punkreas posted:Doubly so on a public ability that bites me back - it's a very loud ability that now everyone is very much aware of, and will be watched as such, but Scum absolutely want to get rid of it because my challenges will either a) risk them getting a wound (risk being that I could just use Ki, too, instead of getting increasing Dishonor stacks), or b) scare them away from the risk of wounding/death but give them Dishonor to later be used on them Seems like everything you said also applies to town.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:31
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Punkreas posted:I mean, it's fine if I'm acting like Scum but I feel like most of the votes on me are "I'm mostly convinced on Punk!" and... that's it - like, c'mon, if I'm going to at least learn from the games you gotta give me something! A lot has happened, any updates on your scum reads? I'm trying not to be overly influenced by the setup angle here because there's going to be a contingent that disagrees with it no matter what. However that's what most of your content is sort of based around. Are you still thinking PA for scum? Others have voted you since, do any of those posters stand out to you?
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mycelia posted:I don't really understand the Pmom argument; I'm only like 80% convinced on Punk but I'm going to ##vote Punk and hope for the best. Anyone else pinged by this post I'd vote pretty much anywhere, I have no strong town reads as yet. Re the Punkreas thing I'm reminded how he got pretty far in Wizards Maf with a crazy attention getting self-voting role gimmick. Would he go for "too weird to be scum" twice? Maybe, since it worked before.
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Pinterest Mom posted:yeah punk seems like he's wrong but i just don't buy "get attention on yourself by wounding someone for kicks" as scum behaviour I see that you are casting about to lay a scum read on somebody but bad vibes? Here's the thing, I can see where Zoya is coming from if she's town. I can't see where Punk is coming from if he's town.
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Rhymes With Clue posted:Seems like everything you said also applies to town. Except I can have thread input on where I throw the challenges now as it's open information, and one of the reasons I was hoping to get to use it D1 (as it would look a bajillion times worse pulling it out later or even outright murdering someone with it all of a sudden)
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Sep 18, 2023 20:37
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Maugrim posted:Anyone else pinged by this post Yeah on a similar level to fancy questions where it's hard to process because it's such a nonanswer nothing. The too scummy to be scum thing is a good point, Punk is a wildcard.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:38
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Maugrim posted:Anyone else pinged by this post It also worked recently to make everyone yeet him as a survivor. Grumble, grumble.
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Sep 18, 2023 20:38
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Oh we have like an hour left. Someone do a fight!
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Somberbrero posted:Agreed on rwc there, but then rwc ultimately votes Punk so it feels less Relevant Well the thing is I don't know who's scum and who's town and in some of yourposts it sounded like you do know.
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Punkreas posted:Except I can have thread input on where I throw the challenges now as it's open information, and one of the reasons I was hoping to get to use it D1 (as it would look a bajillion times worse pulling it out later or even outright murdering someone with it all of a sudden) Not if you used it to murder scum. Why are you worried of how bad it'd look?
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