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CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

fool of sound posted:

Keats why would you sincerely claim doctor day 1 before any serious pressure was even on you?

I think it's a reasonable claim and time to make it.

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Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
It's obviously fair that you don't know this about me, but I do have a history of truthfully claiming my role early as town. A good example is Mistborn mafia where I claimed town roleblocker in my first post and was eliminated in day 1. As a way of making it less reliable for scum teams to know if I'm being truthful, I also started to sprinkle in false claims but contrary to what people say about me, they are mostly true. At least when I double down like now

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

CCKeane posted:

I think it's a reasonable claim and time to make it.

I think he meant when I said it earlier

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

fool of sound posted:

Yeah see, that sounds like a schrodinger's claim to me. You can spin it as a joke or sincere as convenient. I don't know why I should put much stock in it.

You honestly shouldn't. UNTIL I am doubling down like now

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I'm still here, millering up in here. ;)

Not voting the doctor claim right now

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Hmm

##vote: fool of sound

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

fool of sound posted:

I'm happier voting keats than I am keane but I'll be more or less around for another couple hours. Tbh I wouldn't be adverse to a big swing to zoya to test how sincere their masonizer gambit actually was.

##vote keats


Late days posts are strange and feel more geared toward figuring out town zeitgeist than finding scum - the zoya post here is strange, especially since I'm not sure where the sincerity of the masonizer Gambit comes in?

That plus the reaction to Keats feel bad.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I am not sure I buy the doctor claim(s) and I don’t think it’d be the end of the world to lose one anyway, but I’d rather keep my vote on fos for now and see if that gets traction

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Actually as much as it pains me I think Keane would be a better vote than Keats

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Hal Insandenza posted:

Actually as much as it pains me I think Keane would be a better vote than Keats

You are mistaken.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
I agree it would be better for me to live.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Here's my pitch: I suck hard as scum so I'll just flop later. But as town I'm the best so I'll win

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

Why are people saying FoS is scum? I don't really see it but I also haven't played with them (I don't think)

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

CCKeane posted:

I think it's a reasonable claim and time to make it.

Yesterday evening?

Johnny Keats posted:

I don't claim cop, you goof. I'm doctor

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Maerlyn posted:

Yesterday evening?

Yeah I thought FOS meant Keats posts today.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

fool of sound posted:

Oh, I didn't realize that the game actually started, whoops. Who needs to know their alignment or role on day 1 anyway?

I'm going to assume that the mortiz claim is sincere, since my experience is that their usual day 1 behavior is to snooze throughout. Similarly, as scum their playstyle would let them lurk their way through the first couple days easily. That said I don't have a problem with eliminating a negative utility role day 1, really.

fool of sound posted:

I'm thinking that TM is wildly outside of their normal day 1 character, and the ambiguous mason-or-not-mason claim feels calculated, a way to deal with zoya's gambit without overcommitting. I'm pretty happy with a mortiz vote atm but I don't want to rush things just yet.

fool of sound posted:

You should be noticing that I don’t vote until the end of day 1 in any game lol. I’m still open to mortiz, who I still feel is posting very out of character this time. I could be talked around to Keats, who I remembered opened my game with a “fake” “town-aligned survivor” claim during Egyptian job.

I’m thinking cube is town; this is very their style.

fool of sound posted:

Well time is running low so I'm going to go ahead and

##vote mortiz

I'm somewhat suspicious of people putting a lot of stock in zoya's thing, but it is day 1. Similarly I would be completely unsurprised to find out scum are trying to push cube or I, given that we've been easy day 1 targets in several recent games, for the same justifications given as this time around, and scum knows it. Moritz's participation just continues to be out of character though and it's by far my most solid opinion atm.

FoS equivocates a LOT.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

CCKeane posted:

Late days posts are strange and feel more geared toward figuring out town zeitgeist than finding scum - the zoya post here is strange, especially since I'm not sure where the sincerity of the masonizer Gambit comes in?

That plus the reaction to Keats feel bad.

As I said earlier I think that zoya's masonizer claim could easily have been a coordinated scum gambit where some or them choose to claim masonabiity, knowing it probably won't get tested.


CCKeane posted:

FoS equivocates a LOT.

Yeah, I don't do the stupid rear end goon mafia kayfabe where I pretend my suspicions are ironclad until suddenly they're not

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

fool of sound posted:

As I said earlier I think that zoya's masonizer claim could easily have been a coordinated scum gambit where some or them choose to claim masonabiity, knowing it probably won't get tested.

Yeah, I don't do the stupid rear end goon mafia kayfabe where I pretend my suspicions are ironclad until suddenly they're not

Right, which is fine, but this is also combined with a lack of pressing people or otherwise attempting to scum hunt - your game has seemed very reaction based, which does make me suspicious, as it can be easier for scum to stay light and respond to cases rather than have to manufacture one.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Let's just kill Cube and be friend.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Alright I'm going to be don't execute me.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
cube is gonna need to learn how to day 1 predict like bminus at this point

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

CCKeane posted:

Right, which is fine, but this is also combined with a lack of pressing people or otherwise attempting to scum hunt - your game has seemed very reaction based, which does make me suspicious, as it can be easier for scum to stay light and respond to cases rather than have to manufacture one.

It's day 1, please don't pretend any cases today are particularly meritous. They're mostly meta-reads and trying to find some easy target to avoid an NL.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Maerlyn, anyone?

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
My only opinion on maerlyn is that I didn't like them unreservedly pushing zoya's gambit. I'm not sure I see anything else that pings me? What are you seeing?

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

Keats I don't feel like you're sincerely trying to reach majority, you're just in "anyone but me" mode again

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

fool of sound posted:

It's day 1, please don't pretend any cases today are particularly meritous. They're mostly meta-reads and trying to find some easy target to avoid an NL.

I mean, you're not going to get somebody dead to rights, but you can definitely force cases and build connections between people that benefit later days, as well as gauging reaction enough to do better than rolling the dice. If that's how you want to play, that's how you want to play, but I find it suspicious and I don't have a meta on you to think otherwise.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Maerlyn posted:

Keats I don't feel like you're sincerely trying to reach majority, you're just in "anyone but me" mode again

Then I would be pushing town Keane, which I'm not.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

I don't see Fool nor Keats as scum.

I still think Keane smells scummy, but he said the magic words, so [b]##vote Cube[b]

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
It's exactly posts like that one which make me think you're scum. First of all you were reading thread and just felt the need to post when I said something about you, I guess?

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

Phoneposting sucks ##vote Cube

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
You have just been commenting from the sidelines like that with soft implied but not quite explicit shade on people without adding anything to the conversation that can be traced back to you

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Look through Maerlyn's posts in isolation if you haven't. To me there's a clear pattern of avoiding commitment to reads, or adding to the conversation. Only moving pieces around.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

What why are we voting Keats now? Keane claimed something? Do we have enough to avoid a no-elim in 8 minutes?

##vote Keats

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
We have an hour

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

CubicalSucrose posted:

What why are we voting Keats now? Keane claimed something? Do we have enough to avoid a no-elim in 8 minutes?

##vote Keats

Wow

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
##Vote Maerlyn

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

No I've actually made comments about who I think is scum, throughout the day...my feelings haven't changed much:

Maerlyn posted:

This is an interesting series of posts...casts shade on Zoya but votes Cube

Maerlyn posted:

##vote Keats

Would also vote TM if thread feels like testing him but Keats pings me as more scummy here

Maerlyn posted:

I think I want to vote one of the TM voters or someone who said they would vote TM but weren't going to rush into anything. That last bit is especially scummy to me, so fool of sound or keane may be good choices there.

##vote Keane

Maerlyn posted:

I would vote Cube, he seems a bit off to me in tone, he has a mason buddy seemingly who would know if he's more expressive in discord..maybe I just got accustomed to his "won't vote people who do blank" like saying banana or something in the monkey mafia game.

Maerlyn posted:

I'd vote him (again) although I feel like I always feel like Keats is scum (and vice versa it seems)

This is a good point that I didn't consider beyond just having a laugh at Sand's annoyance.

That last line is your self consciousness when you thought Sand was talking about you (that Hal pointed out)

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Maerlyn posted:

That last line is your self consciousness when you thought Sand was talking about you (that Hal pointed out)

It wasn't a good point, so you agreeing with it actually makes you look worse.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

fool of sound posted:

We have an hour

Oh okay good.

Caught up, no one counterclaimed doc?

##unvote

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Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

Keats - Keane - Cube is what I've been saying all day pretty much

Part of me wonders if you claimed cop then doc hoping someone would bite and reveal themselves

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