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Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

From rereading D2, I'm very uncertain on what Cube was trying to accomplish but there are a few things that jump out at me. When he gets caught visiting Keats, this is his explanation:

CubicalSucrose posted:

Goddamnit, Keats. I get 1-shot copies of roles I visit. Keats claimed cop and/or doc, figured either of those would be great to have a backup of.

Shared this in masonry to see if there would be a better target. Now I've got a 1-shot bg which...is not the best.

Emphasis mine. So puts forth this bit that he told his mason partner he could copy roles (beet was that something he put in your chat?)

Hal's response feels genuine to me, saying I'm not in a masonry and Cube's role sounds too similar. I noticed 13 minutes pass between Cube's reaction and then the followup:


CubicalSucrose posted:

I can't loving believe what just happened.

Theatrical, "poo poo what do I say" kinda post and then:

CubicalSucrose posted:

I was waiting for you to post in thread and clear up what we'd talked about in masonry. And you...counterclaim my role?

After I went all day yesterday keeping things to myself. I thought the "I'd kill a doc, sure" post was a little weird but this is on a whole other level.

That doesn't feel like a rehearsed bit between scum but like Cube saw an opportunity to sow doubt on who was telling the truth?

That pushes Hal more into the town category for me, his claim of being a backup and inheriting Keat's role also feels real.

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hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

skimming back now

CCKeane posted:

He did not flip unconfirmed mason.

yeah neither will I.

my role title is just ‘town aligned mason’.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Maerlyn posted:

From rereading D2, I'm very uncertain on what Cube was trying to accomplish but there are a few things that jump out at me. When he gets caught visiting Keats, this is his explanation:

Emphasis mine. So puts forth this bit that he told his mason partner he could copy roles (beet was that something he put in your chat?)

Hal's response feels genuine to me, saying I'm not in a masonry and Cube's role sounds too similar. I noticed 13 minutes pass between Cube's reaction and then the followup:

Theatrical, "poo poo what do I say" kinda post and then:

That doesn't feel like a rehearsed bit between scum but like Cube saw an opportunity to sow doubt on who was telling the truth?

That pushes Hal more into the town category for me, his claim of being a backup and inheriting Keat's role also feels real.

no, he didn’t talk about any other actions with me at all.

tbh if he did I’d have been fairly suss as to why he was a mason AND had another ability.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

Speaking of rehearsed bits, while rereading I noticed this that feels incredibly fake:



(sorry so tiny, Wol/Cube vibe bugs me during this time)

Cube found some Hal quotes, feels like he's trying to add fuel for his claim:

CubicalSucrose posted:

What a wild scum setup. Knew I was going to visit Keats. "Backup" to make it sound more realistic. I'd expect this from Zoya but not Hal.

I may be wildly wrong and if wol, Cube and Hal are/were all scum it's cute as a scum gambit, I just don't get the sense that Hal is in on it.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

wologar posted:

Maer, you were very in sync with Cube D1. Do you think he would plan such a gambit with Hal in scumchat?

This is :raise: for me...on one hand it's me and how dare you, I will not stand for such slander etc etc...but also it's lightly putting out this idea that I'm scum without actually CALLING me scum? You're not putting forth a statement that you could be accused of lying about.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

Changing to a different topic:

Punkreas posted:

Absolutely nothing, and nothing the Night before, either!

And I do absolutely nothing at Night as well - I'm not vanilla but am completely passive, and I've got no masonries

Is your passive protective/BP? You were visited by someone (I don't want to out them yet in case it's pro-town, but maybe it was murdery and you blocked it).

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

So, I bodyguarded FoS last night, Opop never acknowledged it, told me I was successful or failed, or mentioned I was jailed

What’s up Opop (or discord)

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

did you @ him in there?


i think you're all making up discord issues :colbert:. it's worked fine for me the whole time.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Very interested in the people who would think I’m scum with cube and rehearsed that, I guess if I contort hard enough it makes some small sense but it’s such a weird zero-sum type of gambit since it would guarantee a scum elimination that day and only provide very limited cover for the survivor. Especially in a game suspected to have a second killer.

I’d put Keane pretty high on my scum list today

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

hambeet posted:

did you @ him in there?


i think you're all making up discord issues :colbert:. it's worked fine for me the whole time.

It’s 5am his time, I’ll give it a bit

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

hambeet posted:

i think zoya's claim on hal is pretty compelling, but i really wanna hear from hal about yesterday.

The claim I was jailed and there was only one kill so I must be a second killer? Why would it be any more likely than me being the target of the kill or there just not being two kills every night in a fairly small game?

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Hal Insandenza posted:

The claim I was jailed and there was only one kill so I must be a second killer? Why would it be any more likely than me being the target of the kill or there just not being two kills every night in a fairly small game?

idk being suss about the person that was jailed the night we had one less kill is usually the standard operating procedure round these here parts.

buuuut it's also only be two nights so the sample size on that one is pretty small i guess.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

one less kill could also equal zero kills, depending on how many killers.

anyway.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

As others implied, Cube claiming he told me stuff in a masonry is really crazy unless he had a very good reason to think beet wasn’t going to come blow that poo poo up. Maybe he just felt so far gone that he was hoping it would either quickly swap to me or else he just hoped the over the top display would do what it seems to have and spill suspicion onto me after he died, but definitely a bit of a tingle that the masons were both scum and he knew that beet would keep quiet (or jump in to try and get cred)

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

so then i come in today and own up to the masonry instead of just keeping my head down?

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Hal Insandenza posted:

The claim I was jailed and there was only one kill so I must be a second killer? Why would it be any more likely than me being the target of the kill or there just not being two kills every night in a fairly small game?

Who would want to kill you, with that smile?

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

hambeet posted:

so then i come in today and own up to the masonry instead of just keeping my head down?

Well yeah, maybe you were worried about a rolecop?

It’s only a tingle, but it’s still also weird you hammer and never mention anything then either

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

Maerlyn posted:

Going back a bit because everything about Cube/Hal (but actually beet) is weird and trying to parse it...question for wol:

Why did you ask about these three specifically?

Because I thought there was scum there.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

##vote beet

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Hal Insandenza posted:

Well yeah, maybe you were worried about a rolecop?

It’s only a tingle, but it’s still also weird you hammer and never mention anything then either

what? I already said I didn’t know it would be hammer when I voted.

not keen on this shading.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Yeah I don't think Ham is jumping out at me here.

Punkreas
May 13, 2013

*chews on head*
Lipstick Apathy

Maerlyn posted:

Changing to a different topic:

Is your passive protective/BP? You were visited by someone (I don't want to out them yet in case it's pro-town, but maybe it was murdery and you blocked it).

Nah, no protection, only a very specific reflex - so aside from a particular circumstance, I'm all but vanilla Town

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Punkreas posted:

Nah, no protection, only a very specific reflex - so aside from a particular circumstance, I'm all but vanilla Town

music to my ears.

i think punkreas is town, maerlyn is town, beet is town

hal claims to have protected FoS. since hal is bodyguard and not doc, if FoS was the nk target then hal would be dead.

zoya claims to have JAILED hal, which means that hal's claim can't be verified anyway if zoya is telling the truth

hal could also just be scum

but i don't think the gambit between cube/hal is likely


i would rather look at someone else today

CCKeane posted:

I think it is Hal, yes. Zoya's claim seems credible to me.

##vote: Hal

CCKeane posted:

##unvote

Hmm.


I don't like Keane's dancing about

##vote keane

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


wologar posted:

##vote beet

i also don't like this vote.

Wologar was a top townread d1, but i'm leaning scum now


Keane/Wologar are good picks for today

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Hal and Zoya both have confirmable roles. I'd rather wait on them

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

The only person I wouldn't vote today is Fool.

I'd prefer beet, shwinn, Keane or Maer.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.




Hal Insandenza posted:

So, I bodyguarded FoS last night, Opop never acknowledged it, told me I was successful or failed, or mentioned I was jailed

What’s up Opop (or discord)

scumslip. opop has not acknowledged any of my actions in discord this game. your actions have been kills, so you're not familiar with how opop treats normal actions

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


wologar posted:

The only person I wouldn't vote today is Fool.

Agree with this!!

I’m pretty content with Ham or Hal. Somethings off with them.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

shwinnebego posted:

music to my ears.

i think punkreas is town, maerlyn is town, beet is town

hal claims to have protected FoS. since hal is bodyguard and not doc, if FoS was the nk target then hal would be dead.

zoya claims to have JAILED hal, which means that hal's claim can't be verified anyway if zoya is telling the truth

hal could also just be scum

but i don't think the gambit between cube/hal is likely


i would rather look at someone else today



I don't like Keane's dancing about

##vote keane

This is nonsense, calling a vote and then a quick unvote to consider "dancing about" is silly. There was one post between my posts.

I suspect what happen is, Schwinn clicked the little question mark by my name, and tried to manufacture a case, rather than looking at context.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Here is my specific thought process:

I believe that Zoya is telling the truth.

At first, I thought Hal was definitely blocked from doing the kill because of the jail.

But! It is possible that Hal was a night kill target, especially since FoS could be perceived as a likely target of protections.

So yeah I wanted more responses from Hal.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Zoya posted:

scumslip. opop has not acknowledged any of my actions in discord this game. your actions have been kills, so you're not familiar with how opop treats normal actions

Or…. Bear with me here… this was my only action so far this game so how would I have known that

Good try though

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

hambeet posted:

what? I already said I didn’t know it would be hammer when I voted.

not keen on this shading.

Yeah that’s fine but if you read the game and saw constant discussion about masons and who they could be it’s still weird you vote before explaining how you are masons with the guy you are voting for

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Sandwolf posted:

Agree with this!!

I’m pretty content with Ham or Hal. Somethings off with them.

Because you think I’m actually scum or because you think I’m a SK of some sort

Why don’t you read back 300 games or so and see where I pulled a scum gambit like that. Because I don’t think you’ll find one

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Hal Insandenza posted:

Because you think I’m actually scum or because you think I’m a SK of some sort



is this an sk claim

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Imo I think it's very weird to jail the claimed bodyguard back up.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Hey ham is your flavor one of the other duck nephews?

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Tired Moritz posted:

Imo I think it's very weird to jail the claimed bodyguard back up.

Yes I would like more insight into the motivation here

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Hal Insandenza posted:

Because you think I’m actually scum or because you think I’m a SK of some sort

Why don’t you read back 300 games or so and see where I pulled a scum gambit like that. Because I don’t think you’ll find one

Your tone feels all screwed up here but I think the annoyance of this rings earnest to me

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Tired Moritz posted:

Imo I think it's very weird to jail the claimed bodyguard back up.

Who’s scum Moritz

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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


I’m thinking we’re maybe getting too fancy and should look for scum amongst these folks:

CCKeane, Punkreas, Tired Moritz, Zoya, shwin

(people who didn’t vote Cube yesterday + hammer)

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