Al-Saqr posted:

they gave some statistics, it weighs 3 kilograms, 50 CM tall 105 mm wide, it was made in Gaza, and they say it can penetrate 60 cm of hard steel armor.

SerthVarnee posted:

Err...That seems a bit...much?

Like, how many tanks drive around with 1,97 feet of armor plating?

SerthVarnee posted:

Fair enough.

It just struck me as looking fairly comical to have a honking great slab of steel screeching around like a up-armored Warhammer 40k metal box.

SerthVarnee posted:

Err...That seems a bit...much?

Like, how many tanks drive around with 1,97 feet of armor plating?

SerthVarnee posted:

Err...That seems a bit...much?

Like, how many tanks drive around with 1,97 feet of armor plating?

SerthVarnee posted:

Next question:
If the explosion is delivered by hand placing it on a target, wouldn't the majority of the explosion go away from the object or if shaped right, propel the explosive away from the object if it isn't secured well enough?

Al-Saqr posted:

sharing this since you guys are military heads

Qassam put out an informational video about their hand-placed anti-tank weapon, why they use it and it's specifications, along with a demonstration. along with footage of several merkavas being knocked out by it.

https://x.com/TurkiShalhoub/status/1720466927519244734?s=20


it's made to be placed right next to the merkavas munitions magazine.

they gave some statistics, it weighs 3 kilograms, 50 CM tall 105 mm wide, it was made in Gaza, and they say it can penetrate 60 cm of hard steel armor.

so it's not a weapon of desperation its on purpose to be placed by hand.

Crab Dad posted:

I talked to guy who as a young man tossed a can of white paint on the engine deck of tank and that lights up just fine. At the time the Russian troops didnt think much of a boy hauling around milk pales.

Electric Wrigglies posted:

and if they wanted to be especially cheeky, they could say that because they attack the ammo magazine (with its ammo explosion blow off panels), that they are minimising human casualties - the crew should survive.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Israel bombed an ambulance convoy and in an entirely separate attack, a convoy of civilians

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/3/israel-hamas-war-live-israeli-forces-gather-outside-gaza-city

e] also bombed another school

Electric Wrigglies posted:

and if they wanted to be especially cheeky, they could say that because they attack the ammo magazine (with its ammo explosion blow off panels), that they are minimising human casualties - the crew should survive.

quote:

"We were standing inside the hospital gate when the ambulance was directly hit in front of us. There were bloody bodies everywhere. Many were killed immediately, while we rushed others to the operating room for emergency care,” says Dr Obaid, MSF doctor at Al Shifa hospital."

The deadly attack outside the gate of Al-Shifa hospital impacting an ambulance is horrendous. This is a lethal attack outside Gaza's main and busiest hospital, where our staff work daily to provide lifesaving medical care.

We have repeatedly called for an immediate and total ceasefire, for the protection of healthcare facilities, as well as medics, patients and people who are taking shelter there.

This is a new low in an endless stream of unconscionable violence. The repeated strikes on hospitals, ambulances, densely populated areas and refugee camps are disgraceful. How many people have to die before world leaders wake up and call for a ceasefire?

Laughing Zealot posted:

It can't be a good sign for the Israeli army that they've barely started to operate in Gaza and already there are 17 soldiers dead.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Some of the videos from Syria of that were absolutely nuts. I remember one where the grenade rolled back out of the barrel after the dude ran off, so he just waited like a minute and ran back and hucked another one in

Herstory Begins Now posted:

MSF is furious

Cugel the Clever posted:

IDF soldier: "What, so if the Hamas raid had crossed the border in ambulances instead of technicals, we'd have had to sit on our hands while they murdered us??"

*uses an advanced drone to track a Gaza ambulance in hi-res 8k, watching it pick up injured children from the unrecognizable devastation of their home, then make its way to the front gates of a hospital overwhelmed with abject human suffering*

IDF soldier: "Would you constrain our ability to defend ourselves from extermination??!"

*reaches lazily toward a big red button, waiting for responders to rush towards the incoming emergency vehicle before pressing it. Outside the hospital, the lives of the last members of a once large family are snuffed out, alongside those desperately trying to save them*

IDF soldier: "These barbarians only understand violence."

Herstory Begins Now posted:

I remain confident that there is zero possible way that the biden administration hitching their foreign policy to netanyahu's judgement and the IDF's restraint could ever backfire spectacularly

Al-Saqr posted:

orange juche posted:

A lot of people here tend to avoid detailed descriptions of stuff due to potentially causing issues with trauma, a fair amount of people here have gotten shot at/shot at people.

As long as you're not posting combat cam videos and avoiding posting gore, you can talk about the situation in Gaza just fine. Just don't go too detailed about how people got killed or describe the exact condition of dead people and you're fine.

Al-Saqr posted:

hey guys, I dont know what the policy is about posting combat footage of tanks getting blown up, so I wont post it, however on aljazeera, hamas just released what I can only describe as some of the most insane combat footage I have ever seen


I'll post pure military updates here, because I'm very curious what the military types here think of this.

Al-Saqr posted:

3) he then shows a bunch of clips of Hamas fighters constantly getting to within 15 feet or zero distance of several israeli tanks and destroying them, including the latest billion dollar merkavas, absolutely insane footage. they are always at point blank range. it's loving insane.

Alchenar posted:

So here's the thing: Hamas has zero ability to confront the IDF in any sort of conventional fight. There have no capacity to mass force, no operational manoeuvre, there will be no great Ukrainian style counter attack of the likes that swept Russia away from Kyiv and Kharkiv. All they can do is try and inflict attrition on the IDF as it advances and try to make that advance as painful as possible such that Israel decides the price is too horrible to continue - hence why all the videos of tanks getting attacked. But that footage is all ambushes and raids, [...] This is week one of a very slow and deliberate campaign where Israel is clearly trying to exhaust Hamas before pushing seriously into the built up areas and I suspect there's probably a long way to go before we see how it will all play out.

Quackles posted:

So how do you think this ends?

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I found it hard to tell because the videos would cut so quickly TikTok style. There would be an impact and the shooter would book it, but it's not clear if they destroyed the vehicles or they just shrugged it off. Those Namers are hulks, they weigh more than 60 metric tons. Some of them surely get through though. There was a GoPro from an IDF tank that had their Trophy systems activated and they were just detonating RPG rounds in mid-air but it would kinda look like an impact because the way the Trophy works.

It's a real fight and hell if I know what's going on but Hamas also intends these videos for propaganda and morale-boosting purposes and I don't think too many shooters are sticking around after letting their rockets fly to see the results.

Quackles posted:

So how do you think this ends?

Quackles posted:

So how do you think this ends?

Potato Salad posted:

Edit: come to think of it, I haven't seen any sensible reporter or party propose a way that this could end without the US wanting it to end. The Security Council veto is an extremely powerful procedural pass, and a lot of Western States seem to have politically opened a path for essentially carte blanche reprisal against Hamas and "Hamas."

PittTheElder posted:

Yeah my guess is there's no way to a non-genocidal end to the conflict without the US and the other major powers buying into some version of BDS.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

I'd look at the withdrawal of support for KSA over the war in Yemen as probably the more relevant example and while it can't be compared 1:1 as the US's relationship with Israel is different from that with KSA, but also the plight of Palestinians is generally much more of a thing Americans are aware of than Yemen. Hell, I'm still kind of blown away that Americans ever gave a gently caress about the suffering of civilians in Yemen, but it makes me a tiny bit optimistic, too.

Interestingly Israel generally assesses that their single biggest risk is losing popular American support.