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Cindy the SKULL
Nov 27, 2023

by Athanatos

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Tiny Timbs posted:

Better the Scud you know

lol

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Cindy the SKULL
Nov 27, 2023

by Athanatos

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oh, and the reason why he is a refugee now

Cindy the SKULL fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jan 30, 2024

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Cindy the SKULL posted:

Well sure, but isn't it kinda completely reasonable to associate Israel with Jews as a people, since uh, Israel kinda does portray itself as THE Jewish Nation? It might not be just, but that's kinda what follows when a state like Israel does crimes against Muslims for half a century...... It's the same with America imo, there's plenty of hatred among Muslims towards your people for quite justifiable reasons. It's not something you can really criticise them for.

No, it's not. Your example is even dumber, because there is no 'American' ethnicity or religion. If you're an American, then you're a member of the United States of America. Yemeni Jews are not Israelites. You're just defending and excusing bigotry.


Fascinating. Guess bigotry and antisemitism has a point!

Cindy the SKULL
Nov 27, 2023

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 9 years!)

sorry, i edited the link. anyway, i don't understand what you're saying, also sorry about that

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Cindy the SKULL posted:

sorry, i edited the link. anyway, i don't understand what you're saying, also sorry about that

You're comparing the justified dislike of America and Americans, a country that hasn't always been the best to the Kuwaiti, to the Houthis general hatred of Jews, who are NOT Israeli or all Israelites and thus cannot be said to have all participated in crimes against the Gazans.

You're saying that antisemitism is justified and reasonable because Israel has done bad. To put it super simply: All Americans are members of the USA. Not all Jews are members Israel. One is a nation, one is a ethnicity/religion. Conflating them to excuse hatred of unrelated Jews is bigotry.

Kchama fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jan 30, 2024

Borscht
Jun 4, 2011
“I dunno guys, I mean the antisemitism of ‘a curse on the Jews’ is a little ambiguous. It could mean like: dang or shoot.”

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
BBC is reporting Israeli special forces engaged in treachery during lethal raid on West Bank hospital, dressing as civilians and healthcare workers while entering and killing Palestinian men.

I guess they could argue the men killed aren’t part of a nation or army, but then it is still dressing up like doctors and civilians to kill civilian subjects of Israel so…

https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1752323045346230705?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050

Cindy the SKULL
Nov 27, 2023

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 9 years!)

right, the antisemitism, deplorable and quite frankly concerning, as a causally traceable result of the actions, the crimes of the state of Israel? we're in agreement then?

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

mlmp08 posted:

BBC is reporting Israeli special forces engaged in treachery during lethal raid on West Bank hospital, dressing as civilians and healthcare workers while entering and killing Palestinian men.

I guess they could argue the men killed aren’t part of a nation or army, but then it is still dressing up like doctors and civilians to kill civilian subjects of Israel so…

https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1752323045346230705?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050

Definite crimes against humanity there on Israel's part.

Cindy the SKULL posted:

right, the antisemitism, deplorable and quite frankly concerning, as a causally traceable result of the actions, the crimes of the state of Israel? we're in agreement then?

You seem pretty intent on making the antisemitism out to be justified.

EDIT: Lol that being against bigotry against Jews gets you labelled an Israel-lover. Gee, wonder who gave me this AV.

Cindy the SKULL
Nov 27, 2023

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 9 years!)

Edit: don’t post swastikas tia

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Somebody fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jan 30, 2024

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

Cindy the SKULL posted:

right, the antisemitism, deplorable and quite frankly concerning, as a causally traceable result of the actions, the crimes of the state of Israel? we're in agreement then?

This is dumb; you could just pull up.

This is the same dipshit level argument that your local bigoted grandpa uses to argue why it’s okay to hate Those People or That Religion as long as he can find one country that does bad things and is aligned with or run by members of the minority he hates.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

mlmp08 posted:

BBC is reporting Israeli special forces engaged in treachery during lethal raid on West Bank hospital, dressing as civilians and healthcare workers while entering and killing Palestinian men.

I guess they could argue the men killed aren’t part of a nation or army, but then it is still dressing up like doctors and civilians to kill civilian subjects of Israel so…

https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1752323045346230705?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050

Textbook perfidy.

Cindy the SKULL
Nov 27, 2023

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 9 years!)

mlmp08 posted:

This is dumb; you could just pull up.

This is the same dipshit level argument that your local bigoted grandpa uses to argue why it’s okay to hate Those People or That Religion as long as he can find one country that does bad things and is aligned with or run by members of the minority he hates.

what? i don't have any particular feelings towards jews, i don't think i've ever even met one. I'm talking about the hatred I hear from my many refugee/* Muslim friends I talk with about the subject. Like, I'm telling you that the actions of Israel in these past few months have had lasting repurcussions across the whole loving planet upon the opinions of billions of people. jeez

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Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Cindy the SKULL posted:

what? i don't have any particular feelings towards jews, i don't think i've ever even met one. I'm talking about the hatred I hear from my many refugee/* Muslim friends I talk with about the subject. Like, I'm telling you that the actions of Israel in these past few months have had lasting repurcussions across the whole loving planet upon the opinions of billions of people. jeez

What he is saying is, those people are trying to justify their bigotry by saying that their hatred is only because of a nation. They already had that bigotry. That bigotry is older than a few months. The Houthis flag is decades old. So you going "Well they SAY they have a reason for hating Jews because Israel did bad so that means that bigotry is justified" is dumb and wrong.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
If y’all can’t play nice, and discuss poo poo, this thread is going away. There are plenty of other sub forums where you can argue about the semantics of “death to the Jews” or whatever the gently caress horrible slogans.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Kchama posted:

No, it's not. Your example is even dumber, because there is no 'American' ethnicity or religion. If you're an American, then you're a member of the United States of America. Yemeni Jews are not Israelites. You're just defending and excusing bigotry.

Fascinating. Guess bigotry and antisemitism has a point!

The obsession and appeals to the fact that the Houthis are doing or have done bad things and therefore aren’t credible are just baffling when it seems all these same people don’t have a problem or be particularly concerned about the United States being “cynical” or “opportunistic” when it comes to us and our proxies actions in the region.

This is the same disingenuous rhetorical trick as pretending “reverse racism” or “black power” is equally or more dangerous as “white power.” In the context of the Houthis these are people who just survived famine and genocide supported and funded by the US, Israel, and the Sunni forces in the region. While their antisemitic rhetoric isn’t part of an active genocidal campaign, this dressed up, “nuanced” arguments in favor of passivity in response to genocide or, and absolutely shame on you, explicit support for the bombing of Yemen that both are contributing to a genocide that is happening right now is a hell of a lot more offensive and disgraceful to me at least.

Show me one loving Palestinian organization condemning the Houthis. If the people claiming to be so concerned about the Houthis hurting the Palestinians actually believed the lives of Palestinians had any value and were sincerely concerned about the plight of Gaza as well as merchant mariners the obvious solution is to take action to stop the genocide and by doing so stop the attacks in merchant ships, or at the very least then the Americans could begin to be credible. But no, even saying we should stop the genocide is what provoked and offended people here the most. Shame on you.

Sarah
Apr 4, 2005

I'm watching you.
For right now I’m closing this thread because a lot of people need the chill the gently caress out.

Don’t bring this up in the CE thread either.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?
Thread's open. Don't make me regret this.

Oh and SMEGMA_MAIL: Since you're just posting in this thread to build up some CSPAM cred, just don't post in this thread.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The piracy being 'completely indiscriminate no matter what they claim' is pretty laughably easily disproven by China and Russia not lifting a finger about it.

Neither Russia nor China have the ability to project sea power to "lift a finger" for this even if they wanted to. And from their UN votes they clearly do not care at all because its not in their interests.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

M_Gargantua posted:

Neither Russia nor China have the ability to project sea power to "lift a finger" for this even if they wanted to. And from their UN votes they clearly do not care at all because its not in their interests.

I mean, maybe not Russia, but China theoretically has a pretty hefty fleet. Albeit they probably don't have all the deals across the globe that, say, the US does, that allows them to have a place for their fleet to anchor and resupply and stuff in between operations.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007
The fact that China is yelling at Iran and the Houthis publicly is some major finger-lifting from China.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

PurpleXVI posted:

I mean, maybe not Russia, but China theoretically has a pretty hefty fleet. Albeit they probably don't have all the deals across the globe that, say, the US does, that allows them to have a place for their fleet to anchor and resupply and stuff in between operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Support_Base_in_Djibouti

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Yeah China has kept a pretty steady naval presence off the Horn of Africa for close to 15 years now:

https://www.cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/peace/china/trs-05-anti-piracy-engagement.pdf posted:

Under UNSC authorization, China dispatched its first naval fleet from Sanya, Hainan Island, to the Gulf of Aden for three months on December 26, 2008, and the fleet arrived on January 6, 2009, with the mission to assist CGPCS. Since then, any Hong Kong, Taiwanese, and China-invested foreign ships could apply for naval escorts. As of June 2019, China has sent 32 naval task forces to escort over 6,600 ships both domestically and abroad. The Chinese Navy’s 32nd naval escort fleet consists of one destroyer, one frigate, and a supply ship—all designed and made in China, and with over 700 crew members. In addition, in the second half of 2010, China sent a hospital ship to the Gulf of Aden.

Definitely not to the level of US carrier groups yet but definitely on par with what the UK or France typically send to the area.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
Yup. Only reason China isn't attempting strikes itself is because Xi and Co. know they can just sit back and both let America handle things for them and publicly decry the defense of their interests as "American imperialism".

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004

The internet is the universal sewer.
I've been thinking about it, trying to find a silver lining for the genocide going on in Gaza, and I think we can all agree that one good thing to come from all of this is finally informing the world about how terrible the Houthis are. I mean, before they started these recent rounds of attacks on shipping in solidarity with Gaza literally nobody was talking about their horrendous antisemitism or whatever. It's a shame it's taking a genocide to bring this to light, but you really have to be grateful to the true champions of truth and justice that have brought the perfidious Houthi to the forefront of the conversation without being distracted by the actions of Israel and their enabler the United States.

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A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Stringent posted:

I've been thinking about it, trying to find a silver lining for the genocide going on in Gaza, and I think we can all agree that one good thing to come from all of this is finally informing the world about how terrible the Houthis are. I mean, before they started these recent rounds of attacks on shipping in solidarity with Gaza literally nobody was talking about their horrendous antisemitism or whatever. It's a shame it's taking a genocide to bring this to light, but you really have to be grateful to the true champions of truth and justice that have brought the perfidious Houthi to the forefront of the conversation without being distracted by the actions of Israel and their enabler the United States.

Lookit me, I'm touching the poop!

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Stringent posted:

I've been thinking about it, trying to find a silver lining for the genocide going on in Gaza, and I think we can all agree that one good thing to come from all of this is finally informing the world about how terrible the Houthis are. I mean, before they started these recent rounds of attacks on shipping in solidarity with Gaza literally nobody was talking about their horrendous antisemitism or whatever. It's a shame it's taking a genocide to bring this to light, but you really have to be grateful to the true champions of truth and justice that have brought the perfidious Houthi to the forefront of the conversation without being distracted by the actions of Israel and their enabler the United States.

gently caress off.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Stringent posted:

I've been thinking about it, trying to find a silver lining for the genocide going on in Gaza, and I think we can all agree that one good thing to come from all of this is finally informing the world about how terrible the Houthis are. I mean, before they started these recent rounds of attacks on shipping in solidarity with Gaza literally nobody was talking about their horrendous antisemitism or whatever. It's a shame it's taking a genocide to bring this to light, but you really have to be grateful to the true champions of truth and justice that have brought the perfidious Houthi to the forefront of the conversation without being distracted by the actions of Israel and their enabler the United States.

hmm yes please can you elaborate more on this?

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".
How come every post against is just a bingo card of fallacies instead of trying to address concerns and win people over

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

lightpole posted:

How come every post against is just a bingo card of fallacies instead of trying to address concerns and win people over

What's even worse is that right after this started most of us were saying "Yup, this is looking like genocide" and really, nothing's changed. Maybe we're not shouting into the void loudly enough?

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

A.o.D. posted:

What's even worse is that right after this started most of us were saying "Yup, this is looking like genocide" and really, nothing's changed. Maybe we're not shouting into the void loudly enough?

Nope you have to pick a side. Not the Houthis? Well good luck trying to wash that blood off your hands you are pulling the trigger yourself.


gently caress I work with Yemenis, there are a lot in the US merchant marine. Houthis have a long way to go before I'll be backing their legitimacy.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Stringent posted:

I've been thinking about it, trying to find a silver lining for the genocide going on in Gaza, and I think we can all agree that one good thing to come from all of this is finally informing the world about how terrible the Houthis are. I mean, before they started these recent rounds of attacks on shipping in solidarity with Gaza literally nobody was talking about their horrendous antisemitism or whatever. It's a shame it's taking a genocide to bring this to light, but you really have to be grateful to the true champions of truth and justice that have brought the perfidious Houthi to the forefront of the conversation without being distracted by the actions of Israel and their enabler the United States.

hmmm cringe imo

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Edit- nm, this is poop touching, and I’m not trying to touch the poop on purpose.

LtCol J. Krusinski fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jan 31, 2024

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

:negative:

Borscht
Jun 4, 2011
A guy just committed perfidy in a wheelchair and all you people want to talk about is boats.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
The I/P conflict has been liquidating people's brains since the middle of the 20th century, guess that's not going to be changing anytime soon.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Borscht posted:

A guy just committed perfidy in a wheelchair and all you people want to talk about is boats.

It’s hard to have much to say about extremely clear-cut crimes beyond “That sucks and the people who did it sucks.”, to be honest. At least talking about the Houthis there's something to discuss. Israel's always going to be the greater evil since they have more firepower and are very willing to do evil things to use it.

EDIT: Also, the reason why I am so hard on the Houthis is BECAUSE they claim to be doing it for Gaza. I care for Palestinian liberation a lot, which is why I don't like groups who want to use the Palestinian cause to boost their reputation while doing nothing to actually help them. Especially since the Houthis suck poo poo themselves to the point that their own ex-spokesperson thinks the US is propping them up secretly because despite being "evil terrorists of the worst caliber" is his words, they're better to deal with than the hopelessly corrupt other government of Yemen.

I think they're a possible anchor around Gaza's neck in the future.

Kchama fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Jan 31, 2024

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
No images but content warning for descriptions of harrowing medical treatment of children/babies.

https://x.com/ichotiner/status/1752423663431991800?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
those babies were no angels

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PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/30/israeli-soldiers-disguise-west-bank-hospital-hamas/

Also since I don't think it was talked about here yet. Isn't it kind of a war crime to disguise your soldiers as doctors and civilians, walk into a hospital and gun down unarmed wounded "terrorists" in their hospital beds?

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