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pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Bored As gently caress posted:

CSPAM invaded TFR and they did low effort shitposts for a while making GBS threads up threads, and they decided to gift us by giving a lot of us avatars. First it was pictures of school shooters, then it was a pic of David Hogg, now it's titty wizards from some anime.

Idk man.

You might say that in the process of spending over $500 on their forums enemies that they…

puts on sunglasses

WENT HOGG WILD!

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Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

what the living gently caress is your avatar
You've been on the Internet how long and are still taken aback by big-tittied anime babes? Honestly, it's the less objectionable side of the spectrum of anime sexual objectification.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Cugel the Clever posted:

You've been on the Internet how long and are still taken aback by big-tittied anime babes? Honestly, it's the less objectionable side of the spectrum of anime sexual objectification.

It's more who had it :shrug:

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


pantslesswithwolves posted:

You might say that in the process of spending over $500 on their forums enemies that they…

puts on sunglasses

WENT HOGG WILD!

https://youtu.be/7uW47jWLMiY?si=IylifG9D4qpbvqm_

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003

Bored As gently caress posted:

CSPAM invaded TFR and they did low effort shitposts for a while making GBS threads up threads, and they decided to gift us by giving a lot of us avatars. First it was pictures of school shooters, then it was a pic of David Hogg, now it's titty wizards from some anime.

Idk man.

That's terrible, what anime?

Shaddak
Nov 13, 2011

pantslesswithwolves posted:

You might say that in the process of spending over $500 on their forums enemies that they…

puts on sunglasses

WENT HOGG WILD!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!
Is David Hogg suppose to be an objectionable person for some reason?

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared.
Fun Shoe
He's supposed to trigger the gun havers.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Kchama posted:

Is David Hogg suppose to be an objectionable person for some reason?
I think it's one of those tankie horseshoe things where they have the same talking points about him being a liberal advocating for policy change (with the only daylight between them and Alex Jones being that they decry his working within the system instead of pursuing its overthrow, vs. Jones' decrying his instrumentality in the lizard people plot to overthrow Western Civilization).

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Cugel the Clever posted:

I think it's one of those tankie horseshoe things where they have the same talking points about him being a liberal advocating for policy change (with the only daylight between them and Alex Jones being that they decry his working within the system instead of pursuing its overthrow, vs. Jones' decrying his instrumentality in the lizard people plot to overthrow Western Civilization).

It's funny/sad listening to Knowledge Fight and hearing the literal same stuff from Alex Jones as I see from certain tankie types on internet forums I wouldn't name.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

Kchama posted:

Is David Hogg suppose to be an objectionable person for some reason?

Most of them have grown out of it, but there used to be gun people who would really lose their poo poo at the mention of Hogg. I think now they care less because Hogg is just some guy who went through terrible poo poo as a kid, but he is ultimately not terribly politically relevant.

I don’t know his opinions on Israel and Palestine.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!

mlmp08 posted:

Most of them have grown out of it, but there used to be gun people who would really lose their poo poo at the mention of Hogg. I think now they care less because Hogg is just some guy who went through terrible poo poo as a kid, but he is ultimately not terribly politically relevant.

I don’t know his opinions on Israel and Palestine.

I only asked because I saw him being referred to as a 'psychopath' so I was unclear if he did something besides 'dislike guns because someone killed a lot of people at his school with them'.

No idea on his I/P opinions.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003

Kchama posted:

Is David Hogg suppose to be an objectionable person for some reason?

i assume it was meant to be the less objectionable alternative to the round of columbine avs that went out immediately before it that were blanked

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Grand Fromage posted:

It's funny/sad listening to Knowledge Fight and hearing the literal same stuff from Alex Jones as I see from certain tankie types on internet forums I wouldn't name.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

Xakura posted:

Israeli (recalled) ambassador to Norway stated "We view Norway as one of the most hostile countries."

https://www.nrk.no/urix/israels-ambassador_-norge-er-et-av-de-mest-fiendtlige-landene-1.16892449

Oh so it's Norway or the highway, huh?

e: whoa I was way behind

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
https://x.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1794377467970375757

Going great!

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
Wanna spend $300+ million on a JLOTS mission instead of just driving aid in via, uh... trucks using these things called roads?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

ask me about nix or tailscale
I honestly don’t understand why they couldn’t just drive US Army trucks through with aid. Israel was going to think they were smuggling weapons to Hamas (instead of airdropping them)? IDF was going to fire on US military vehicles?

might have to manhandle some protestors out of the way, but hardly an unprecedented activity AIUI

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


there are things called "borders" that egypt nominally gives a poo poo about, i imagine

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Near pier conflict.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

ask me about nix or tailscale

Kith posted:

there are things called "borders" that egypt nominally gives a poo poo about, i imagine

OK, yeah, plausible

but aid trucks are getting to the crossing before they’re blocked or destroyed by protestors, right? so maybe however those aid trucks got there could be used by US trucks?

redecorate those very trucks and fill them with soldiers!

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
so they need the piers moored again

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

Kith posted:

there are things called "borders" that egypt nominally gives a poo poo about, i imagine

It would also be possible to drive trucks in from this place called "Israel" into Gaza, but that's clearly off the table because Israel doesn't want to.

Israel: It's crazy man, only our tanks and troops can go through the stargate into Gaza. Food and medical supplies? Impossible.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Subjunctive posted:

I honestly don’t understand why they couldn’t just drive US Army trucks through with aid. Israel was going to think they were smuggling weapons to Hamas (instead of airdropping them)? IDF was going to fire on US military vehicles?

might have to manhandle some protestors out of the way, but hardly an unprecedented activity AIUI

Some of those settler 'protest' groups are as well armed as the better organized right wing militias in the US, what with the Israeli government literally handing out automatic rifles to them. And since a lot of them are also current or former IDF reservists it gets real sticky even if the Israeli government wanted to operate in good faith (lol) to let through outside government aid convoys.

I know Jordan had suspended their convoys after the settler attacks trying to move through the West Bank, anyone know if they've resumed them?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

ask me about nix or tailscale

Terrifying Effigies posted:

Some of those settler 'protest' groups are as well armed as the better organized right wing militias in the US, what with the Israeli government literally handing out automatic rifles to them. And since a lot of them are also current or former IDF reservists it gets real sticky even if the Israeli government wanted to operate in good faith (lol) to let through outside government aid convoys.

I know Jordan had suspended their convoys after the settler attacks trying to move through the West Bank, anyone know if they've resumed them?

huh

of all the reasons there might be, “the US military might re-enact Mogadishu 1993 at the hands of ally civilians” was not anywhere on the list

well thank you both!

I guess I figured that the US would be able to pull Israel aside and say “hey, give a bit on the civilian starvation and we can cover you on the civilian bombing and sniping, but this is just too obvious” and they could both get back to the slower-motion genocide that they were operating before

maybe that leash is not as strong as I thought, though

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Subjunctive posted:

huh

of all the reasons there might be, “the US military might re-enact Mogadishu 1993 at the hands of ally civilians” was not anywhere on the list

well thank you both!

I guess I figured that the US would be able to pull Israel aside and say “hey, give a bit on the civilian starvation and we can cover you on the civilian bombing and sniping, but this is just too obvious” and they could both get back to the slower-motion genocide that they were operating before

maybe that leash is not as strong as I thought, though

Israel is doing the same calculation as Russia about what they can expect on the afternoon of January 20, 2025 and will do everything to drag out the status quo until then.

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
Is it possible that the pier is being treated as US Navy training/practice of some sort? Not that it makes it a good idea overall, but could that have contributed to it not getting laughed out of the room? (I'm just speculating here.)

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


mlmp08 posted:

It would also be possible to drive trucks in from this place called "Israel" into Gaza, but that's clearly off the table because Israel doesn't want to.

Israel: It's crazy man, only our tanks and troops can go through the stargate into Gaza. Food and medical supplies? Impossible.

there's obviously something keeping them from going through israel. i have no idea what it is because i'm not genocide joe or benny the butcher, but there's plainly SOME kind of obstacles. as a result the only real alternative would be going from somewhere else, and the diplomacy involved in that is probably far more complex than "hey can we move aid through here so innocent people don't starve and die?" despite the fact that it absolutely should be that simple, so instead we manifested a pier to flex our military might in addition to whatever else we're doing

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Subjunctive posted:

huh

of all the reasons there might be, “the US military might re-enact Mogadishu 1993 at the hands of ally civilians” was not anywhere on the list

well thank you both!

I think Israel would be brazen enough to just blast the US convoys officially, even. Like, what's the US going to do about it? Attack? Cut off aid? Give them a stern admonishment? They'll make up some paper thin excuse like "oh, we thought they were actually Egyptian BATTLE TRUCKS here to invade us :)" and bomb them to poo poo. Wouldn't be the first time they murdered Americans and suffered no consequences.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Kith posted:

there's obviously something keeping them from going through israel. i have no idea what it is because i'm not genocide joe or benny the butcher, but there's plainly SOME kind of obstacles. as a result the only real alternative would be going from somewhere else, and the diplomacy involved in that is probably far more complex than "hey can we move aid through here so innocent people don't starve and die?" despite the fact that it absolutely should be that simple, so instead we manifested a pier to flex our military might in addition to whatever else we're doing

The issue seems to be Joe and Benny not believing that "innocent" decribes any Palestinian.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008

MFW people don't read the theory

raminasi posted:

Is it possible that the pier is being treated as US Navy training/practice of some sort? Not that it makes it a good idea overall, but could that have contributed to it not getting laughed out of the room? (I'm just speculating here.)

This is gonna come as a surprise if you don't know the history but, that pier is the Army

For the Navy (and Marines), when we did humanitarian assistance or disaster relief it was good training for amphibious ops

david_a
Apr 24, 2010



Megamarm
I was mildly curious about who built the pier; thought it might have been the Seabees

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

david_a posted:

I was mildly curious about who built the pier; thought it might have been the Seabees

The Army has watercraft units that specialize in this kind of thing. The vessels themselves are commanded and staffed entirely by warrant officers and enlisted folks and they operate closer to how the Merchant Marine operates versus the Navy.

The Trump administration tried to get rid of them entirely, but I guess that decision has either been delayed or reversed. My final assignment was in a transportation brigade that oversaw watercraft units and the primary mission (this was over 8 years ago) was focused on logistics supporting a MEF in the South China Sea.

psydude fucked around with this message at 14:42 on May 26, 2024

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

Nick Soapdish posted:

This is gonna come as a surprise if you don't know the history but, that pier is the Army

The physical pier looks army in this case, but Joint is in the name of the operation, and you can't do JLOTS without the Navy involved. And in this case, it's more like CLOTS since the US isn't putting troops in Gaza and instead outsourcing a lot of the shoreside prep to the IDF.

Here's the older pub on JLOTS. New one is likely behind a CAC user wall:
https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/jp-doctrine/jp4_01_6(05).pdf

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

ask me about nix or tailscale

mlmp08 posted:

Here's the older pub on JLOTS. New one is likely behind a CAC user wall:
https://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/jp-doctrine/jp4_01_6(05).pdf

JLOTS are normally conducted in a low-threat environment; nuclear warfare is considered possible.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 9, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
I remember reading about UN and other aid movements during the late-stage Bosnian war and how even after cease fires were all agreed to and aid agreed to be allowed to move, to read guys talk about it it really seemed like 90% of driving and delivering aid was the experience of -- even with literal armed UN escort -- being held up for hours and hours at a time because you ran into roadblock #x of ?? and they've got (and are maybe pointing) guns and not letting you through. Radio calls get made, lots and lots of waiting, and finally they spit and grin and stare & let you through... and you hit the next one, and the whole thing repeats.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/26/west-bank-aid-trucks-gaza-settlers/

Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza posted:

TARQUMIYAH, West Bank — Radical Israeli settlers have expanded their attacks on aid trucks passing through the West Bank this month, blocking food from reaching Gaza as humanitarian groups warn that the enclave is sinking deeper into famine.

Groups of settler youth are tailing relief convoys, setting up checkpoints and interrogating drivers. In some cases, far-right attackers have ransacked and burned trucks and beaten Palestinian drivers, leaving at least two hospitalized.

The assailants use a web of publicly accessible WhatsApp groups to track the trucks and coordinate attacks, providing a window into their activities. Working off what they say are tips from Israeli soldiers and police, in addition to the public, members pore over photos to work out which vehicles might be carrying aid to Gaza and mobilize local supporters to block them.

An attack on Thursday showed the system in action: Users in one WhatsApp group with more than 800 members began posting about a flatbed truck loaded with sugar, sharing photos from the road as they followed it.

“The truck supplying Hamas stopped in front of Evyatar!” said 23-year-old Yosef de Bresser, referring to an Israeli outpost south of the Palestinian city of Nablus.

De Bresser is a leader in the “We Won’t Forget” movement, which set up protest camps at the Kerem Shalom crossing between Israel and Gaza earlier this year and runs several of the WhatsApp groups targeting aid trucks.

“Come join the blockade!” he wrote. Others answered the call.

The flatbed was ransacked, its load strewn across the road, according to images posted later in the group, one of two sugar trucks vandalized by settlers that day. De Bresser said the waybills — which did not show a destination — prove that the truck was headed to Gaza.

Fahed Arar, who owned the cargo, said the 30-ton load of sugar was actually destined for Salfit, a Palestinian town in the West Bank. The driver escaped unharmed, he said, but the Israeli military wouldn’t let him reload the goods.

Instead, soldiers removed the sacks with a bulldozer and destroyed them, Arar said, putting his loses at $30,000.

“The attack happened in front of the army,” Arar said, adding that the driver said soldiers did nothing to stop it.

The Israel Defense Forces did not comment on the incident but sent a more general statement saying that it acts in the West Bank with the “aim of dispersing confrontations between Israeli and Palestinian civilians” and “assists” until the arrival of police. The Israel Police, largely responsible for enforcing the law when crimes are committed by Israeli citizens, did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

The violence and vandalism, committed with near-total impunity, raises questions about the willingness of Israel’s security forces to restrain extremist settlers and protect Palestinians. It also challenges the Israeli government’s claim that it is doing all it can to ensure that aid flows to Gaza, where the humanitarian situation has deteriorated rapidly since IDF forces moved into the southern city of Rafah.

As bands of teenagers become the arbiters of who can and cannot pass along main roads in the West Bank, any trucks carrying food have become vulnerable to attack.

“The environment around us is fed by hate and revenge,” said Abdo Idrees, chairman of the Federation of Palestinian Chambers of Commerce.

Under pressure from the United States, Israel opened the Tarqumiyah crossing in the West Bank earlier this month for aid trucks traveling to Gaza from Jordan and for Palestinian businesses exporting food. The routes to the crossing take them by Israeli hilltop outposts where settler violence against Palestinians has spiked dramatically in recent months.

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan has called the targeting of aid trucks “a total outrage,” and the Biden administration is considering imposing sanctions on people involved in the attacks, according to a senior U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

Humanitarian groups say Gaza is in its darkest hour after nearly eight months of war. More than a million Palestinians have been displaced this month, the United Nations says, after Israel began its assault on Rafah and sealed the enclave’s most vital land crossing for aid. The northern part of the territory is already in a “full-blown famine,” the World Food Program said recently, and aid officials warn it is spreading south.

The International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor said last week that he was seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza, including using “starvation of civilians as a method of warfare.” Both men have said the charges are outrageous and politically motivated.

The opening of the Tarqumiyah crossing on May 13 was part of an effort by the IDF to increase the flow of aid to Gaza. But one of the first convoys from Jordan was immediately set upon by Israeli protesters, who tossed boxes of food on the ground and stomped on them. Several trucks were torched.

We “never called on people to take the law into their own hands,” said Rachel Touitou, spokeswoman for Tzav 9, which boasts hundreds of members, including settlers and demobilized reservists, and has been active in blocking aid trucks since January.

The group put its activities on hold after the May 13 incident, but Touitou said the effort would continue because it is in “Tzav 9’s DNA.”

De Bresser denied that his group was responsible for burning trucks but said he could not condemn the violence.

“I’m happy for every truck that doesn’t enter Gaza, and I’m also happy to see it catch fire,” he said.

The We Won’t Forget movement supports “dismantling” trucks and sometimes takes action based on “inside” information, he said, including from transport workers, police officers and soldiers he says are against sending “supplies to Hamas.”

A recent incident illustrated the Israeli authorities’ hands-off approach to enforcement. In the early hours of May 17, about two dozen far-right youths set up a makeshift blockade at Tarqumiyah; soldiers and police officers drove past the group multiple times without stopping them.

At dawn, as the first truck approached, a 12-year-old boy with blond side curls picked up a brick and brandished it above his head, threatening to throw it at the vehicle if it moved any closer. The truck reversed. Other vehicles turned around at the sight of the group.

Police asked the demonstrators to take down the barricade after about an hour, but the demonstrators continued to mill around. A police officer joined them as they prayed in the road.

“It’s not our job to stop them, it’s our job to protect them,” said a female soldier of the young settlers. She declined to give her name.

In recent days, there have been more efforts to protect the trucks. Left-wing counterdemonstrators have created a “humanitarian guard” at the crossing, which has put pressure on the police to ensure it is functioning, said Alon-Lee Green, head of Standing Together, the group behind the campaign.

Some aid convoys from Jordan are now traveling under police escort. But other commercial trucks are afforded no security at all.

Ibrahim al-Razem, 35, was driving a load of Coca-Cola to Kafr Aqab on the outskirts of Jerusalem when he ran into a roadblock on the night of May 16.

“They asked me if I was going to Gaza,” Razem, a Palestinian resident of Jerusalem, said of the crowd of settlers that stopped him. He provided the group documentation showing the goods were headed somewhere else, he said.

But they weren’t satisfied. “Are you a Jew or Arab?” Razem recalled them asking right before they attacked.

“They really wanted to kill me,” he said, adding that military officers at the scene did little to control the crowd. Razem said he hid under an IDF vehicle to shield himself from the blows.


The IDF said two officers and a soldier were “slightly injured” when they tried to separate the attackers from the driver. “Dozens of Israeli citizens reacted violently towards the force,” the military said in a statement.

“If the army really wanted them to leave, they could have shot in the air,” said Razem, who suffered three fractured vertebrae, broken ribs and a broken nose.

The truck, which he had decorated with keepsakes from his sons, was set on fire after he was taken to the hospital.

“This was my source of income,” he said, estimating his losses at around $200,000. “I was broken.”


These people are loving rabid. The Israel experiment is a failure. There's no redeeming this.

Their society appears to be completely broken from top to bottom. Just an inhuman thirst for the suffering of Palestinians.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Mustang posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/26/west-bank-aid-trucks-gaza-settlers/

These people are loving rabid. The Israel experiment is a failure. There's no redeeming this.

Their society appears to be completely broken from top to bottom. Just an inhuman thirst for the suffering of Palestinians.

Dude you sound unhinged when you write poo poo like this just fyi.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Nah, what's unhinged is the fact that the world's only superpower not only just sits back and watches a genocide unfold, but actively provides weapons and material support to the people carrying it out.

Israel can do absolutely anything it wants and the most blowback they can expect from our poo poo rear end country is some empty words.

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Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Grip it and rip it posted:

Dude you sound unhinged when you write poo poo like this just fyi.

Four days ago they directed people to a UNWRA tent camp as a safe zone. Today they bombed the camp from the air. His opinion of Israel seems entirely valid.

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