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Midjack posted:So it's the same scam as the name a star and lunar real estate deals. Excellent. It's not exactly the same scam. They legally aren't supposed to sell land that belongs to others, but physically can because they've seized it by force of arms. In the star scam or the lunar real estate scam there's no product.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:hezbullah actually has a lot of missiles and indeed has been building their stocks for literally decades. hell they traded their involvement in syria for missiles and the recurring Israeli strikes you have likely heard about in Syria over the last decade have primarily been of missile shipments headed to lebanon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefC-uwULy0 Or "come on you apes, you wanna live forever?" It feels existential, but the fear is not a weakness, and they go all out like a compressed spring being let go. But it's now nearly nine months later and war exhaustion is setting in. There's a growing movement to oust Bibi and make a hostage deal. There have been more than 300 Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza, but what's not included in that number are the thousands of soldiers who have been severely wounded. They have good trauma medicine and practices and can evacuate wounded to hospitals quickly, which means the KIA/WIA ratio is very high with "relatively" few deaths given the scale of the fighting that just occurred, but there's a whole lot of wounded who might otherwise have died. There are lots of soldiers with legs blown off, burns to their lungs, and also psychological trauma, and they can't return to their units. This has actually degraded whole regiments and divisions. Which could be one reason why the Knesset just voted to eliminate the service exemption for ultra-Orthodox yeshiva students. The other side of this is what has happened to Hamas. There have been some major urban battles against the IDF. There is still Hamas, but I heard an anecdote today that Israeli soldiers are now encountering kids shooting at them. Like a kid with an RPG. That tells you something about how Hamas is a popular resistance movement, but that there just aren't that many adult Palestinian men left either. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jun 27, 2024 |
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Those kids might, pretty accurately, believe they're being presented with the choice between starving to death while seeing their family be bombed into a red mist and going out in a blaze of glory while taking out an invader. Of course, thinking it through for a second while I type that, I'm operating on the assumption that their family has not already been bombed into a red mist and am probably wrong on that point given what's happening.
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Excuse the analogy, but from those kids' perspective, the Israelis might as well be the empire from Star Wars. That's how they look at them.
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you did not just compare the generations that walked through auschwitz and their mental faculties, with the Israel dominated by Baby Boomers
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Israel has never actually given meaningful voice or representation to Holocaust survivors, they're actively hated and insulted, and many live in poverty as the reparations meant to be paid to them went straight into Israel's budget.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Israel has never actually given meaningful voice or representation to Holocaust survivors, they're actively hated and insulted, and many live in poverty as the reparations meant to be paid to them went straight into Israel's budget. Wait, really? Didn't know that. Why hated/insulted?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Israel has never actually given meaningful voice or representation to Holocaust survivors, they're actively hated and insulted, and many live in poverty as the reparations meant to be paid to them went straight into Israel's budget. Do you happen to have a source for that? My
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Kith posted:Do you happen to have a source for that? My https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say quote:Yet among Israel’s estimated 165,000 survivors, roughly one in three lives in poverty, according to a survivors’ advocacy group. Though survivors receive government stipends, many still depend on food donations organized by Israeli charities like Chasdei Naomi. Haaretz and Times of Israel report roughly the same number of survivors and one-third of them struggling to survive financially. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ff-ef7f35f70000 According to the reporting from Haaretz, it reads like some of the Holocaust survivors only get exactly the reparations given from Germany, and nothing supplemental from the Israeli state. I don't see any explicit statements of the reparations going into the Israeli state budget, though.
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Kith posted:Do you happen to have a source for that? My The Zionist freaks who founded Israel were a mix of dead eyed imperialists, religio/ethnosupremacists, and the occasional straight-up Nazi collaborator. The diaspora, of whom the majority of Holocaust survivors were comprised, and Holocaust survivors themselves, were offensive to their notions, born out of late 19th century colonialism and racism, of a new "pure" and "muscular" Judaism. As result, they loathed and actively despised what they view, and still view, as "weak Jews" who "allowed themselves to be slaughtered" and were seen, in a dark mirror of the Nazi ideology, as weakening the lifeblood of their state. If I recall correctly, the Israeli slur for Holocaust survivors, still used to this day by those Zionists freaks without the sense to avoid saying the quiet part out loud, is "sabonim" meaning "cowards." The bastards were trying to be clever with their slur you see, as the the Hebrew word for soap is "Sabon". So in this way they referred to Holocaust survivors as cowards/bars of soap. I'll leave the reason for that choice to your imagination. Anyways, here's a good 2017 article from Tablet magazine regarding the treatment of Holocaust survivors in Israel. It's grim stuff: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors Quantum Cat fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jun 29, 2024 |
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RIP the pier: https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/09/politics/us-pier-gaza-to-be-removed/index.html
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rip pier that was apparently designed for swimming pool conditions and couldn't operate in an absolutely permissive environment
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pierless engineering
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Designed to do nothing, did nothing. Mission accomplished.
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wonder how many malnourished primary school children that could have fed for a month
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Kazinsal posted:wonder how many malnourished primary school children that could have fed for a month There are no primary schools left standing, so no primary school children to feed.
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Don't be so hard on him, he did receive a raise ahead of piers.
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Somebody should dock their pay for this performance.
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When staff officers get the JLOTS familiarization class, one of the things they tell them is to really, really think about whether JLOTS is the solution to their problem, given the type of terrain it needs, planning considerations, costs, etc, and that they should definitely not think of it as some easy button if instead you can open a road or come up with a different scheme of logistics... I guess there was no other option to get pallets and trucks into Gaza, none at all.
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mlmp08 posted:When staff officers get the JLOTS familiarization class, one of the things they tell them is to really, really think about whether JLOTS is the solution to their problem, given the type of terrain it needs, planning considerations, costs, etc, and that they should definitely not think of it as some easy button if instead you can open a road or come up with a different scheme of logistics... Well....no way that didn't involve confronting Israeli soldiers that are stopping aid convoys and right wing ideologues that are intercepting random trucks, beating the poo poo out of their drivers, and kicking the supplies in to the dirt. So they tried the easy button of an "I'm not touching you" pier. Oops.
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Honestly? At this point, with starvation running rampant? Airdrop pallets of canned water and MREs. Put a live-streaming 360 degree camera on top of each pallette (or just a cheapass cellphone) to see who gets it. Thing is, the isrealis are well supplied, if they steal the airdrops they haven't actually been helped. They had enough to eat and drink before stealing it, it's no net improvement to them other than denying to their enemy. But the actual gazans? Even if they only get 1 out of 5 airdrops before the isrealis do it's worth it. And evidence of the isrealis stealing pure humanitarian aid would play well.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Seems like the US should just be bombing the IDF. Give em the USS Liberty treatment afterwards. They've earned it .
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Quantum Cat posted:The Zionist freaks who founded Israel were a mix of dead eyed imperialists, religio/ethnosupremacists, and the occasional straight-up Nazi collaborator. The diaspora, of whom the majority of Holocaust survivors were comprised, and Holocaust survivors themselves, were offensive to their notions, born out of late 19th century colonialism and racism, of a new "pure" and "muscular" Judaism. I read a book about the history of the IDF recently and I got a really strong Nietzschean vibe from it all (the book, by an Israeli author, even opened with a Nietzsche quote). Nietzsche is known for the "transvaluation of values." This refers to a radical reevaluation and reinterpretation of the values of a society. This is also closely linked with the idea of Ubermensch, which is an archetypal free spirit who creates his own values in accordance to the will to power. Goons will be familiar with some of this, but there are obvious analogies between Zionists viewing the Jewish morality of the time in similar terms to how Nietzsche saw Christian morality as a slave morality for weak people. This goes like: to hide their weakness, theologians inverted morality by defining themselves (the weak) as good, and the powerful as evil. This inversion is driven by ressentiment -- an inverted envy that refuses responsibility for one's own weakness and pushes blame to the strong for one's powerlessness. That's a slave morality in contrast to a master morality. What slave morality looks like from the perspective of master morality is whiny reactionism. "Oh, boo hoo, he did this to me, he must be bad, m'kay, I would never do this, I must be good m'kay." What master morality looks like from the perspective of a slave morality is a lack of caring. Lambs believe eagles don't love them, but that's only true from the lamb's perspective. From the eagles' perspective, they do love lambs, because they're tasty. Don't believe the eagle must be evil because his perspective on life and the universe, which includes you, is not the same as yours. But to cut the philosophy short, a lot of things historically associated with Jews, the Zionists wanted to do the opposite of that. So, while the old Jew was cowardly, the "new Jew" would be brave. Where it was unthinkable for old Jews to have a military organization (and 2,000 years of Torah scholarship often wrote ancient Jewish military heroes out of the story or turned them into harmless yeshiva students), the "new Jew" would be like Joshua and King Saul. One value-system (x) was getting dumped for another one (z) that had been hitherto devalued. The IDF was also not just an army but a vehicle for this mass social transformation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6R4dzThbM Where old Jews worked as pawn brokers, small-scale traders, petty hagglers, lenders, etc. (occupations in which they had been driven by centuries of discrimination); the new Jews would work as farmers and manual laborers. There were also different kinds of Zionists, the modern-day Israeli right has more in common with the Jabotinsky types, a.k.a. the "revisionist Zionists" who insisted on taking over the whole "land of Israel" including the West Bank, but early Israel was politically dominated by secular, socialist-minded types who saw what they were doing in rather leftist terms. (The socialism also tied into the farming and manual labor -- and remember there was also the New Soviet Man.) This sounds unbelievable today but their support abroad was coming from the communist bloc (including arms) and their support in the U.S. was from liberal, FDR types who supported the U.N. partition plan (the FDR types were pro-United Nations). One reason Stalin also supported partition was to create tension between the U.S. and Britain, the latter which had ties to Arab kings who, obviously, opposed a Jewish state in Palestine. It wasn't just Jews who adopted an idea of becoming a "new" people either, like that is pretty much the way out of the master-slave relationship of colonialism. Frantz Fanon was influenced by Nietzsche, quoted him a lot, and sketched out a theory in which the oppressed and colonized transform themselves and regain their honor through violence. Fanon drew analogies between blacks and Jews and saw Zionism as essentially a Third World movement. What is odd about that is he was part of the FLN in Algeria which was driving out the French through a successful guerrilla war and terrorism campaign, which became the inspiration for the PLO which formed two years after the French withdrew from Algeria in 1962. At this point, France had become Israel's primary supplier of arms, so the PLO was looking at Algeria and France, and then seeing Israel and France making an alliance, so they think: oh, these are the same. It's not atheism, communism and nihilism like we were fighting in 1948, but French-style colonialism, and that requires FLN-like tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XReG51HbqtU BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jul 12, 2024 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Don't believe the eagle must be evil because his perspective on life, which includes you, is not the same as yours. I've expressed a similar sentiment before, although it was purely in the context of wildlife and not a metaphor for the human condition, at least not intentionally. It went something like "The lion doesn't hate the antelope, it hates the hyena."
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A.o.D. posted:I've expressed a similar sentiment before, although it was purely in the context of wildlife and not a metaphor for the human condition, at least not intentionally. It went something like "The lion doesn't hate the antelope, it hates the hyena." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vnrEHbl5Qc But what I was getting at towards the end, is that I think there's a strange kind of mimesis that has rendered this conflict so unsolvable. That is actually common in wars in which enemies come to resemble each other, but I've come to believe the methods adopted by the PLO didn't work because it was based on a misrecognition of their enemy and how they would react. To put it plainly, the Israelis don't react to these tactics the way the French did to the FLN. When people hear "Nietzsche" and "Ubermensch" and these terms, one might also think of the Nazis (although Nietzsche seemed to personally despise antisemites, seeing them as emblematic of a kind of slave morality), there's also Fanon. Malcolm X pretty clearly, and I read that Huey P. Newton of the Black Panther Party was also influenced by these ideas, and I do see it. Black had been devalued such that black people would try to lighten their skin, or modify their hair rather than wearing it naturally. I don't think what the Black Panthers advanced was about "hating" white people ("they're evil"), that is the ressentiment speaking, as is devaluating what the perceived white "master" values. But you don't turn the other cheek either, if he lays his hand on your woman, you cut his hand off.  This is a lot different from the liberal mentality of most people in the United States, although it has had some influence. LGBT Pride in a way developed out of this, "we're here, we're queer, get used to it." You define your own values, not let others decide them for you. It's a no-fucks-given attitude. I think this is strong in Israel as well, which is one reason why Israeli propaganda aimed elsewhere is quite bad. There's a whole culture of people in Israel who don't feel they have to explain themselves to the rest of the world being asked to explain themselves. They're more likely going to violently interrupt you. In terms of mimesis, it's also interesting to me how the Palestinian cause has adopted the aesthetic language of Black Lives Matter (which had a lot of Christian influences, its inspiration was far more from Ella Baker of SNCC than the Black Panthers despite some Panther cosplaying), like this video for example with a bunch of rappers could come right out of 2020 BLM protests, and I think is far more effective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug0L5S2Qzwg In some conservative intellectual circles, this drives people crazy. I saw Ayaan Hirsi Ali being like "aaaaugh it's the Islamo-left-Marxists!!!" who are going to bring down the West. She really developed a whole Unified Grand Theory of Subversion about this stuff, but she has to, because it's *un-think-able* that what she sees as subversive about the Palestinian cause is, at least in part, produced by the West and its value structure, which she thinks is the only thing standing between people and barbarism. Hip-hop, contemporary social justice? All of these expressions by these Palestinian musicians are influenced by developments in Western societies which they're relating with and mimicking and making their own. *They too* can say "hands up, don't shoot." But Jews *can too* be strong, have an army. That's what these Israelis will tell you: Who the hell are you, sitting there in comfort in your Western country, to say they can't? That makes them Nazis? Those Western countries really didn't do that much to stop the Holocaust if you read about the history of it, and they barred their doors to Jewish refugees so they ended up in Palestine. But there's also this idea that there's "the West" over here, and "the East" over there, which is really a kind of ideological illusion. I don't post much and I'm free associating a bit but I'm frustrated by a lot of the disource. I saw some Israelis making fun of protesters for going after Starbucks, which is probably pretty silly, as the nearest Starbucks to Israel is in Amman, Jordan. (The Israelis have Aroma -- and you're never going to get them to pay Starbucks prices for coffee, especially American coffee). But you know, Jordanians can have Starbucks too. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jul 12, 2024 |
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1811790544420356418 Good news hopefully
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1811790544420356418 Caesar's sports book is setting the o/u for duration before the ceasefire is formally abandoned by either side at 72 hours, place your bets.
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Tiny posted:Honestly? At this point, with starvation running rampant? The point of the pier wasn’t to feed anyone, it was to give the appearance of doing something.
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Midjack posted:Caesar's sports book is setting the o/u for duration before the ceasefire is formally abandoned by either side at 72 hours, place your bets. under
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1811790544420356418 How many times has he said this throughout the war? Hes full of poo poo
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