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Cugel the Clever posted:Would usually agree, but "flying a helicopter in mountainous terrain with no visibility" sounds like an obvious own goal, unless you assume the Mossad has an asset planning the president's travels. Weather control machine, clearly.
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Trump Mitch'd: https://twitter.com/BidensWins/status/1792000790938198296 Just in time for the dramatic music, too! Naturally, chuds are trying to defend it, but I don't think that fat gently caress has ever shut his mouth intentionally for that long in his life.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Trump Mitch'd: Unlike sleepy crooked Joe, Trump thinks before he speaks. That's clearly what is going on here, and totally not forgetting where he is or what he's doing.
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God drat I loving love living in a gerontocracy.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Would usually agree, but "flying a helicopter in mountainous terrain with no visibility" sounds like an obvious own goal, unless you assume the Mossad has an asset planning the president's travels. This. How often does this thread remind people that helicopters thirst for human blood?
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May 19, 2024 21:11
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a helicopter's natural state is on the ground in a burning heap
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Americans apparently arrested in Congo amid accusations of coup attemptquote:The coup attempt appears to have been led by Christian Malanga, a 41-year-old man who set up a political organization among the Congolese diaspora in the United States and proclaimed himself president of Congo in exile. Congolese intelligence suspected him of previously trying to assassinate Congo’s then-president Joseph Kabila, said Dino Mahtani, who has held senior positions for the United Nations in Congo. The biggest takeaway here is that you probably should not involve weed in your coup plotting meetings.
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The helicopter doesn't know where it is because it doesn't know where the hill isn't
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Discussion Quorum posted:The helicopter doesn't know where it is because it doesn't know where the hill isn't Inertially navigating into terrain?
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OddObserver posted:Inertially navigating into terrain? CFIT is definitely already a thing. Ask Kobe.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Americans apparently arrested in Congo amid accusations of coup attempt Lol dude did AF JROTC
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all the training you need to become an elite warfighter
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Visibility down to 5m, rescuers can't find the helicopter, and no one is even clear on what happened. From the reporting, it sounds like regular contact has been established with at least one of the occupants of the helicopter that was carrying the VIPs but the poor visibility is hampering the rescue. It's not actually known yet if the visibility contributed to the helo going down - it may also have been a mechanical issue, and initial reports are that it was a forced landing rather than a repeat of Kobe's final performance. There were three helos in the flight and the other two made it to the destination safely. So at this point it sounds like they're stuck at the crash site until the fog lifts. Hope they have emergency gear!
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sounded more like they'd picked up a signal from a mobile device given that they haven't reported actually communicating with anyone my money is on very dead from guardian liveblog quote:Iran’s national broadcaster had stopped all regular programming to show prayers being held for Raisi across the country.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Would usually agree, but "flying a helicopter in mountainous terrain with no visibility" sounds like an obvious own goal, unless you assume the Mossad has an asset planning the president's travels. That’s what happened to the president of Disney in 1994 in Nevada’s Ruby Mountains. Just a routine heliskiing trip with Clint Eastwood, could have been any of us. Midjack posted:God drat I loving love living in a gerontocracy. Ugh yeah, they’ve learned nothing from Feinstein. Wish DNC would force safe seaters 70+ to step aside so next generation can get established. I like Bernie but expecting to finish out your term when you’re nearly 90 isn’t ok.
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Both seem to be true? quote:Iranian authorities have identified a 2-kilometer radius for the crash site and believe the accident was “not severe” after speaking with two people who were traveling on the downed helicopter, Iranian Vice President for Executive Affairs Mohsen Mansouri told Iranian semi-official FARS news. quote:“Three helicopters were on this route, but the helicopter carrying the President lost contact with the other two. They began searching and established contact with one of the helicopter’s occupants and the flight crew, indicating the incident was not severe. The Red Crescent, FRAJA, Army, and IRGC rescue teams have arrived and divided tasks,” he said. So they're able to communicate, but, maybe not surprisingly, the people involved don't have a good idea of where they are any more than the rescuers. So they're also using the ELT and cell phone pings to define the search area: quote:A regional commander for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps announced late on Sunday night that they had detected the exact location of the crash after receiving a signal from the helicopter and the mobile phone of one of the crew, IRNA reported.
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iranian red crescent apparently contradicted the last part and I am extremely intrigued that they've apparently been in communication but raisi's condition apparently remains unknown Kinda pointless to speculate about though because we'll no doubt know what happened soon enough
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Being reported that he was flying in a US-made helicopter. The CIA playing the long game, clearly.
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psydude posted:Being reported that he was flying in a US-made helicopter. The CIA playing the long game, clearly. Does Boeing make helicopters? 
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That Works posted:Does Boeing make helicopters? They make the v-22
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That Works posted:Does Boeing make helicopters? Yes.
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ugh, what a let down that trump clip was...did you all watch the same thing? there's no context in that short clip but did he just not pause for the dramatic music? I was expecting people to come escort/shuffle him off the stage...he's a mush brain, no doubt, but he still knows how to hit all the fascist notes. Including dramatic "heartfelt" and "patriotic" speeches...
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NJersey posted:ugh, what a let down that trump clip was...did you all watch the same thing? Yeah its not so much a McConnell thing as him just being a poo poo and waiting for a teleprompter. That said a ton of other clips from that same speech of him being particularly incoherent.
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psydude posted:Being reported that he was flying in a US-made helicopter. The CIA playing the long game, clearly. One of those things where, as much as I believe sanctions are ineffective at effecting regime change, they can clearly result in the target operating fairly archaic hardware which can drastically reduce the military that they pose.
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NJersey posted:ugh, what a let down that trump clip was...did you all watch the same thing? The clip also seemed like it was playing in slow motion to me and the music seemed added after the fact? Like I would love to see a clip of trump doing a genuine Mitch but that really didn't seem like what actually happened.
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Any of y'all have advice for a friend that is full on accelerationism because he hates Joe Biden now because he's "genocide Joe" and "all his other failures?" We were talking the other day and he said this: quote:i know but the truth is the dems are fascist light beer. we live in a corporate oligarchy, totalitarian state that really holds the world's most convincing sham elections. choice A or B but dont ever ask for choice C because the oligarchy dosen't want to hedge their bets 3 ways When I replied that Dems are 100% better than Trump being in office, however lovely they are, he replied: quote:at best there 10% to 20% better. that mostly being prolife and social security. every single thing else their just as bad. the lesser of two evils is still evil. all i can do is keep my soul clean. DC is just another circle in Dantes Inferno When I posted this: https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1791954208918253810 He replied "oh well yet anoth failure of joe bidens to add to the pile" "if bidens a failure he [Trump] might as well go for broke. the whole system can collapse with him. miserable old gently caress cant drop dead soon enough". I feel like I'm losing him to accelerationism. He just hates Joe Biden with such a passion he hates him more than Trump. It's insane. He wants Trump to come in and destroy the whole system.
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He's my lifelong best friend. He still lives in NY so his vote doesn't matter as much as if we lived in a swing state.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Any of y'all have advice for a friend that is full on accelerationism because he hates Joe Biden now because he's "genocide Joe" and "all his other failures?" Anyone who thinks Donald Goddamn "Let them finish the job" Trump would be any more of a humanitarian when it comes to what's going on in the Middle East is almost beyond help. Also, "all his other failures" is the "Hardcore GOP vague talking point" starter set. "What other failures?" "All of them!" "Be specific." "You'll see. They're all going to come out." "When?" "They will. They will, and you'll all be shocked." "What about Trump's failures?" "Nuh-uh."
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orange juche posted:Lol dude did AF JROTC I did that for a semester because it got me out of gym class.
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You can try asking him what accelerationism actually accomplishes. I get the impression they feel like we can finally build a good system by collapsing what we have now. So ask why he thinks that would actually happen, instead of just sucking rear end for hundreds of years, like the dark ages. Why does he think an authoritarian regime would somehow result in a better world, and how long he thinks it would take to actually get there.
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Don’t get into a policy discussion, just stick to voting strategy. First past the post is a lovely system, but the approach to voting in general elections is relatively simple - always vote , and select the least objectionable viable candidate. -If he prefers Trump to Biden, for dumb accelerationism reasons or otherwise, he should vote Trump. You aren’t crossing that bridge with anyone in 2024. -If he prefers Biden to Trump, he should vote Biden. Full stop. -Not voting improves the odds of your less preferred candidate. It will not send a message, except reinforcing that politicians don’t need to bother talking to anyone under 60. -Voting third party improves the odds of your less preferred candidate. It will not send a message, and won’t do anything for the third party other than federal campaign funding in some rare edge cases. -Spoiling your ballot improves the odds of your less preferred candidate. If he truly believes there is no practical difference between the candidates, not voting in that race is a reasonable approach I guess. But 10-20% better is still better, so the choice is obvious.
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Cool Dad posted:I did that for a semester because it got me out of gym class. It was bullshit that JROTC got out of gym but marching band didn’t.
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When everything comes crashing down, it's the worst people who come out on top, so unless your friend is just the worst human imaginable, I don't see how that could possibly end well for him.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Any of y'all have advice for a friend that is full on accelerationism because he hates Joe Biden now because he's "genocide Joe" and "all his other failures?" Coming from someone who's a critic of Biden from the left, I'd say the best way to engage on this is to go peaceful and diplomatic with them. Acknowledge their anger. Acknowledge where he has a point (Biden's awful handling of Israel, etc.) while also pointing out that for all of Biden's faults, Trump would be much, much worse. Frame it like this: a rational, empathetic person would take the Democrats being 10-20% less bad than MAGA republicans because that's 10-20% less harm that can be dealt to the people most vulnerable to the whims of the Chuds. Tell them that even if things seem hosed up, mean and hopeless on a national level, they can have a significant impact on the down-ticket races by voting for people/ballot initiatives/whatever that more closely reflect their values. And also, tell them to touch grass. Invite them out for a stroll, go volunteer at an animal shelter and take some dogs for a walk, find a National Trails Day volunteer opportunity- anything to remind them that there's a whole lot of joy to be found and a whole lot of good an individual person can do. And encourage them to vote their conscience- NY isn't a swing state, so they should feel free to write in "uncommitted" or "gently caress Biden" or "Gaza" as they so desire. If the former is the carrot approach, then the stick is to remind them that accelerationism is the last refuge of the privileged in knowing that its impacts will be felt sooner and harsher by more vulnerable people than it will be by those who are more insulated by their race, class, etc. and that makes them complicit in whatever happens, even if they themselves end up as a victim of the system whose collapse they want to see. I'm no fan of Biden in general. I curse him and the DNC for putting us in this situation and plan to vote my discontent in my meaningless primary, but I'll still probably end up pulling the lever for him because Trump will be much, much, much worse.
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Arguing with a guy like that is as close to a Sisyphean task as a mortal can get. Just don’t.
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Platystemon posted:Arguing with a guy like that is as close to a Sisyphean task as a mortal can get.
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate all your input and advice.
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Not sure if it applies to your specific situation, but can you nudge them away from media that's part of the doomer pipeline (or toward something better)? Keeping them from stewing in a toxic cesspool would do wonders.
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