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Tired Moritz posted:Would town boxxing be a better word/phrase I explained my reasoning why claiming an investigation ability D1 felt like a scum move, and between that and their responses to scrutiny, their reactions made them more and more suspicious. This is just speaking for myself though. At this stage, though, TM continues to provide non-opinions and light nudges in conversation that don't sit well with me. For now, I'm comfortable with this. ##Vote TM
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I had all the votecounts quoted but the only noteworthy thing was that Hal and Moritz were left not voting EOD1. I feel like scum were content to sit back D1 so that is + scumpoints to them.
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##vote Illu (for emphasis!) I'm sold on my Illu read: (1) Illu plays a content game and bases his reads on the content he generated. This is easy fake content. (2) Illu avoids voting, or discussing Fancy Illusionis posted:As for Fancy claiming d1 is just something they have decided is a good idea to do, so I wouldn't consider the claiming itself really indicative of anything Then, EOD1 I'd call Illu p scattershot: Illusionis posted:Specifically looking at Spacebanito, Spork and TM who have been recently active Illusionis posted:Answering getting called out on not answering the most important part of a content game first by voting and then calling back to an actual vig in an old game is not a town reaction ##vote Yuming Illusionis posted:That is one weird sequence of posts to enter with ##vote Cube, FoS comeback also stinks Illu is scum avoiding commenting on a soon-to-flip investigative role.
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May 17, 2024 04:37
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My other top pick atm is Sandwolf. This is mostly a gut read though, his posting gives me bad vibes D1. He also has a bad vote on Fancy. My main hangup is he really doesn't fit with Illu being scum because Sand and I were the only votes sitting on Illu for most of the day.
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May 17, 2024 04:39
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I really don't think Cube is scum. Cube and Spacebanito are my towniest reads.
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May 17, 2024 04:40
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Guys, is Sandwolf scum?
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May 17, 2024 05:14
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Opop why you not claim who you protected?
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May 17, 2024 05:15
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Johnny Keats posted:Guys, is Sandwolf scum? Maybe.
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May 17, 2024 05:18
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Did I miss something, why do we believe Opop is doctor?
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May 17, 2024 05:24
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Spacebanito posted:Did I miss something, why do we believe Opop is doctor? Well he clearly hinted at it today at least
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May 17, 2024 05:47
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yuming posted:Rangoon, I can't tell where we stand. I have a p neutral read of you but I want to trust you. I thought your miller claim was scummy for the reason I explained then. It seems like I'm the only player that wouldn't have claimed miller if given that role though. Your play otherwise reads townie to me.
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May 17, 2024 05:52
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Yuming what do you think of FoS or Cube?
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May 17, 2024 05:52
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I think yumings miller claim is valid tbh
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May 17, 2024 06:17
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Spacebanito posted:I explained my reasoning why claiming an investigation ability D1 felt like a scum move, and between that and their responses to scrutiny, their reactions made them more and more suspicious. This is just speaking for myself though. What exactly do you want me to say?
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May 17, 2024 08:06
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Spacebanito posted:Did I miss something, why do we believe Opop is doctor? Their first post this game. Opopanax posted:Hi I'm the doc ##vote sandwolf ok see y'all d2
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May 17, 2024 14:57
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Sandwolf posted:Yuming what do you think of FoS or Cube? We got a scumwolf! ##vote sandwolf Yuming talks about cube on this very page. Scumwolf likes to hide behind other people’s opinions like this, makes him look involved without doing anything.
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May 17, 2024 15:23
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If I were a doc, I would have protected spork last night
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May 17, 2024 15:23
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CubicalSucrose posted:I kinda want to vote Hal or Spork. Yeah Hal volunteered for info role stuff, which turned out to be a little dud-ish and wasn't relevant because AFQM got yeeted. Even if AFQM were alive, scum could've plausibly roleblocked or redirected or just killed them. I don't think it's as town-cleary as Spork was suggesting. I had mistook the timing, thought it was only a few minutes between Fancy asking for volunteers and Hal saying sure. Turns out it was almost two hours. I still think its a town lean to volunteer at all. Sure Hal could be a godfather and investigation proof, though that wouldn't have actually mattered with Fancy's !could power.. Sure the scum team could have a block. All of these are true, which is why Hal isn't 100% town. But volunteering at all draws attention that I believe scum avoid. And I still the Cube's 'placeholder' vote was bad. And the posts after when Cube came back were bad too, mixing people up a lot.
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May 17, 2024 15:32
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Opopanax posted:Deadline was 9am my time, I poked my head in before clocking in for work and it was Fancy or nobody. I think we could have moved, and I was hoping for it. I get it, but your vote felt bad. And your justification a little later felt bad too.
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May 17, 2024 15:34
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Opopanax posted:If I were a doc, I would have protected spork last night Wait, really? Why? Didn't feel like anyone was listening to me yesterday.
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May 17, 2024 15:37
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CubicalSucrose posted:Their first post this game. I mean, a first post, D1, is hardly a claim that I'd put any real stock in Tired Moritz posted:What exactly do you want me to say? Not this. So far all you've done is agree with consensus, or provide non-engagement that seems like engagement in the form of "and then what" or otherwise prodding people to just keep saying their thing. You haven't seemed, by my eye, to put any real effort into investigation or anything of your own. Opopanax posted:If I were a doc, I would have protected spork last night This notwithstanding, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on Illusionis.
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May 17, 2024 15:47
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SporkChan posted:Wait, really? Why? I thnik we listened. I didn't agree with your case but you were one of my stronger town reads yesterday so I think if Opop saved you, we might be thinking parallel. I like the case on Illu. I had what I thought was also a moment of parallel thinking with Sandwolf D1 that made me lean town but am more ambivalent today. I'd like to know what people think about Moritz. He's super low participation and has only been coming in to chime on the weakest stuff. I think him weighing in on the validity of yuming's miller claim and not recognizing the context was ongoing town/maf vibes reads really bad too.
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fool of sound posted:I think that the targets for today are the people who didn't want to join in a last minute vote: Spork, Cube, Nutsack, Hal, TMor. Refusing to join a deadline ex of a town player is a common scum strategy; I do it all the time. I think Cube/Spork/Nutsack are the better targets of those, since not voting at all is more indicative of just hard lurking than scum refusing to vote on a foregone conclusion for cred. This doesn't make sense to me. I was around at EoD and actively arguing a different case. Obviously unprovable, but I would have switched to secure the yeet, but I was waiting till the literal last minute. Even in a foregone conclusion I thinknits best to give everyone as much time to post as possible.
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Right let's address at lenght what made me so certain that Yuming is scum at the end of the day. It wasn't simply her answer to vig mason cop, that made me take note and call her out on it, but her response to that is the actually important part betraying a scum mindset.yuming posted:Still organizing my thoughts atm but, Now first why do I pay attention to these responses at all, simply scum often want to answer them because they want to appear like they're participating and fitting in. However pressure, not wanting to step on toes, not wanting to attract attention for naming somebody or any number of other reasons can cause scum to overthink these things and give out weird or only partial responses. Still this is far from a sure thing, town player give weird responses all the time too, but noteworthy enough to call out. yuming posted:This post gets a strong hmmmm Yuming's immediate response to getting called out is to vote me for it, not really indicative of major things yet either, I can see a town player responding like this to someone calling out what in their eyes would be a nothingburger. That's why I was still happier keeping my vote on my gut feeling of Cube. yuming posted:Oh come on, I shot Illu in CPigs lunar game after not firing my vig shot D1… This here is the incriminating response. Instead of calling my pushing on the content game nothing like it should be for a town player, ignoring it or addressing the partial response in any way even, Yuming responds with misdirection. "Don't think about Yuming's actions in this game, think about her actions in an old game". "Don't think about the lack of response in a content game, think about her actions with an actual vig in an old game". Simply put this is a response meant to get people reading it thinking about something other than what is at hand in this game right now. The fact that Yuming feels the need to reframe the issue here tells me that there is in fact something to notice in her original partial response. yuming posted:##vote Illu (for emphasis!) Then we get to today where Yuming makes a case on me by, saying I refused to discuss Fancy while quoting me giving my thoughts on Fancy and picking a scattershot of my posts to show I'm all over the place? The first one being completely out of context as it isn't even a list of people I find scummy and instead a direct followup to this post calling out people with no votes down when we're approaching deadline. Illusionis posted:Way too many people without votes down 1,5h to go for deadline Illusionis posted:Specifically looking at Spacebanito, Spork and TM who have been recently active Also conveniently ignoring the fact that my vote was on Cube, who was the only alternative to Fancy to catch multiple votes, who I had been pushing all day, first on a gut feel, then for reasons I posted later, aside from noting the huge scum tell post from Yuming, before moving back to Cube as nobody else showed interest. Right up until I hammered Fancy 5 minutes to deadline. All of this is to say this whole case is nothing, but a bunch of bull cherrypicked to give the wrong impression of my activity d1. Illusionis posted:This though has me pretty happy keeping my vote on Cube, why do you need a placeholder vote? Why is Hal a safe one? Illusionis posted:That is one weird sequence of posts to enter with ##vote Cube, FoS comeback also stinks ##vote Yuming
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:I thnik we listened. I didn't agree with your case but you were one of my stronger town reads yesterday so I think if Opop saved you, we might be thinking parallel. Regarding Moritz, this is the standard way he plays, both as town and scum, I haven't seen anything pinging me as scum Moritz yet, but he is often really hard to pin down due to this playstyle
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Illusionis posted:Right let's address at lenght what made me so certain that Yuming is scum at the end of the day. It wasn't simply her answer to vig mason cop, that made me take note and call her out on it, but her response to that is the actually important part betraying a scum mindset. Hmm. Why didn't I want to vote Yuming before? Let me check.
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CubicalSucrose posted:Hmm. Why didn't I want to vote Yuming before? Let me check. Oh yeah instant Miller claim. Still okay with that, for now.
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Illusionis posted:Regarding Moritz, this is the standard way he plays, both as town and scum, I haven't seen anything pinging me as scum Moritz yet, but he is often really hard to pin down due to this playstyle A lot of the arguments in your Yuming post rub me the wrong way, but not in a way I can articulate properly. This, though, is some impressive amounts of hedging without offering information. I do have a question for you though Illusionis. Did anything happen to you last night that you're aware of?
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Now regarding other suspicions, I still think Cube is off and the whole placeholder stuff from d1 is very self-conscious for just putting a vote down on who is supposedly your biggest scumfeel. However I think FoS looks far worse now and is second on my scumlist, extremely sparse d1 just to pop in close to deadline, first to vote someone with basically no chance of getting voted out, then immediately pivoting to Fancy for calling it out and loving off, now admittedly the deadline was very early for US players so not posting volumes right there is understandable. More though it's this real confidence to focus on players not on Fancy yeet and specifically not even seemingly considering if Cube is town or scum and if there's significance there to why it ended up being Fancy over Cube. Also the pushing so focusedly on Spork is weird because Spork was present, actively pushing Cube and had in fact mentioned he would hammer Fancy too. Also here later Cube is the other top target today, which doesn't really make sense in context of focusing on non-voters, since if Cube is scum there should be a high likelyhood of scum in the people who voted to push Fancy on the vote lead after they were tied 3-3 fool of sound posted:I think that the targets for today are the people who didn't want to join in a last minute vote: Spork, Cube, Nutsack, Hal, TMor. Refusing to join a deadline ex of a town player is a common scum strategy; I do it all the time. I think Cube/Spork/Nutsack are the better targets of those, since not voting at all is more indicative of just hard lurking than scum refusing to vote on a foregone conclusion for cred. fool of sound posted:Why? Refusing a join a town yeet and then throwing shade on town who did is classic scum behavior, and usually a pretty good strategy. fool of sound posted:I think cube or spork are my top targets.
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Spacebanito posted:A lot of the arguments in your Yuming post rub me the wrong way, but not in a way I can articulate properly. This, though, is some impressive amounts of hedging without offering information. no
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Spacebanito posted:A lot of the arguments in your Yuming post rub me the wrong way, but not in a way I can articulate properly. This, though, is some impressive amounts of hedging without offering information. It's simply the truth, Moritz is one of the people playing here I have the hardest time reading. Also I thought I was offering information in the sense that this behavior is not unusual for Moritz and it's the reason why pretty much nobody is commenting on your callouts for Moritz
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Yeah let's do it, me vs. FoS vs. Spork. We still have over two full real days until deadline.
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SporkChan posted:I think we could have moved, and I was hoping for it. I get it, but your vote felt bad. And your justification a little later felt bad too. There weren’t enough people that early in the morning, it wasn’t going to happen. My post then wasn’t me justifying my vote, it was me explaining that a switch wasn’t going to work. SporkChan posted:Wait, really? Why? I’m the only remaining heart player
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May 17, 2024 16:26
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Spacebanito posted:This notwithstanding, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on Illusionis. Mild bad vibes
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votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 1 If I’d switched here, Cube would have been -3 and there were at best 2 other player around who would maybe have switched. I’ve been around long enough to know we all would have hosed it up and switched back and forth and wasted the day though
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May 17, 2024 16:31
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May 17, 2024 16:35
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May 17, 2024 16:36
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Opopanax posted:“No coded messages” is a very basic rule, I do no care for this I lean towards trusting the messenger so I wanted to respond.
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