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Good, not especially close. I'm fine with this then ##Vote FoS
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# ? Feb 18, 2025 07:04 |
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What's the scum flavor in your role, Sandwolf?
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Spacebanito posted:Good, not especially close. I'm fine with this then If there's three scum... It'll be easy to rush...
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yuming posted:I did ask the mod about it! He said it was fine for now. Also just so everyone is on the same page here: we're currently allowing it as long as the thread doesn't become incomprehensible. Good faith and all of that.
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Illusionis posted:Targets 3 player, tells if the group contains scum/non-town or not, I think reading this as a softclaim of such is pretty drat reaching Illusionis posted:To note, people love to talk about ecco-cops, but they're drat rare to actually see and especially rare in small games because the role is really obscenely powerful when you have a smaller group to choose from Illusionis posted:I mean Sand can prove me wrong by actually claiming it, but before that I see no drat reason to suddenly take a random list of 3 players somebody finds scummy as a ecco-cop softclaim I might be putting the cart before the horse on this: This poo poo was bothering me before. Thought it was weird how hard he was pouring cold water on the potential for an ecco cop. At the time, I thought if Sandwolf was an ecco cop then Illu was probably town because it was too stupid and obvious to poo poo on this as maf. With the gunsmith claim, I think that it could make wayyy more sense to poo poo on it as maf. Maf seeing the soft ecco cop would be able to (more or less) suspect it's truth or absolutely know it's wrong. Totally safe to poo poo on if the suspected ecco cop targets are three townies. Gunsmith thing obviously changes that and with Cube's vig-claim it's definitely possible he hit 3 townies. Also, correct me if I'm getting something wrong in my thinking here. Ecco cop was loving w my head and I went and took a break to puzzle over ecco gunsmith poo poo.
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Spacebanito posted:And the reason why is it's dumb to just reply to a train of thought with 'no' instead of actually refuting it with anything. Why is "I was BP and thought everyone might be" more of a nonsense claim than Miller, ecco cop, or the eavesdropper we saw flip? Roles this game seem a bit more on the esoteric side, so I find this very believable. That's self evident: Millers and ecco cops are not weird roles. Bulletproof isn't weird either. "Everyone might be bulletproof and their powers key of off expending that protection" is a wild, insane reach.
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Anyway I'm basically a supertracker. I target someone and track the next action they take, either the night of the track or thereafter. I can only detect one action per person. My first letter of my first seven posts this game spell out tracker.
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fool of sound posted:That's self evident: Millers and ecco cops are not weird roles. Bulletproof isn't weird either. "Everyone might be bulletproof and their powers key of off expending that protection" is a wild, insane reach. I understand, though I think their breadcrumb setup is why I find this explanation to be a lot more reasonable
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fool of sound posted:That's self evident: Millers and ecco cops are not weird roles. Bulletproof isn't weird either. "Everyone might be bulletproof and their powers key of off expending that protection" is a wild, insane reach. Do you think his claim is fake or just not well thought out?
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Spacebanito posted:Meta question, I guess. How common are scum information gathering roles? I know it isn't the most useful thing to consider how frequent things get used, because there's always the chance, but how often do scum get things like eavesdropper, gunsmith, cop equivalent, etc. The "typical" scum info role is "pick a player, learn what role they are." All roles are "rarely" the other alignment, including town poisoner, scum doctor, etc. Scumdoc is usually either mod having a laugh or there's at least one other repeatable killing power.
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:Do you think his claim is fake or just not well thought out? I have no opinion on if cube's claim is real. My objection is cube deciding that because their own role is "becomes a vig when BP is expended" that everyone else has a similar stipulation on their role, and using that supposition (and pretending to believe my obvious overpowered joke claim) to cast doubt on sandwolf's result.
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Johnny Keats posted:What's the scum flavor in your role, Sandwolf? What?
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Tempted to kill Cube here, actually. I do not know if being a town vig that cannot kill yet would trigger a false positive. The wording I have for positives is “has a killing action.”
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CubicalSucrose posted:The "typical" scum info role is "pick a player, learn what role they are." So Scum Spy is not really a thing, for example? That kind of like. Eavesdropper-ish, softer inv?
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Spacebanito posted:So Scum Spy is not really a thing, for example? That kind of like. Eavesdropper-ish, softer inv? “Softer” investigations usually aren’t given to scum because they already know the info being gleaned usually
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Sandwolf posted:Tempted to kill Cube here, actually. I do not know if being a town vig that cannot kill yet would trigger a false positive. The wording I have for positives is “has a killing action.” It makes sense to me that that would count as a killing action. Regardless of that, do you think it makes sense to claim that role in that context? Thread seems generally more interested in FoS > Cube. Feel like the maf move would be to lay low and hopefully get voted out last.
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Lying low doesn't work when there's a soft result on someone. That's a trick scum players pull when someone asks them a question they don't want to answer lol. Once a result is out it has to be responded to.
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:It makes sense to me that that would count as a killing action. I think the maf move is to get to the “claim” first so the other two look like they could be liars. Cube isn’t lying! He just might be scum.
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Spacebanito posted:So Scum Spy is not really a thing, for example? That kind of like. Eavesdropper-ish, softer inv? Sometimes you'll get roles that can mess with results, either overtly ("Last night, XXXXXXXXX.") or discretely (instead of "Your action was successful, your target XYZ." you might get "Your action was successful, your target ABC."). More frequently, scum would get a roleblock-type role, where the person would just get "Your action failed." (failures can happen for a variety of reasons).
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##unvote Tracker breadcrumb was clever. (Scum tracker and watchers exist, though rarely.)
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So if we believe the two claims, and also the gunsmith claim itself, that leaves us with Keats unaccounted for, and also someone who has been very quiet. I'm also still suspicious of TM for the same reason, quiet and low content posting. My suspicion of Illu has changed to a confused suspicion
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I'm leaning wrong town on illu. They tend to be less confrontational as scum ime. That says, yuming is playing the game and is almost certainly therefore firmly town as far as my experience with her goes.
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I'm pretty much settled on a cube vote today though: they were one of the people I thought were suspicious for declining to join the AFQM vote yesterday, and also have a soft result on them. Especially since they've now claimed vig to try to dispel that result.
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Sandwolf posted:What? I thought the question was clear... i guess it just says scum then
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Honestly not sure I believe Sandwolf, it feels like yuming took a leap and he's rolling with it. Cube'a claim does give it some weight though
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Johnny Keats posted:I thought the question was clear... i guess it just says scum then Why would a gunsmith see any scum flavour?
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Sandwolf posted:Tempted to kill Cube here, actually. I do not know if being a town vig that cannot kill yet would trigger a false positive. The wording I have for positives is “has a killing action.” Oh nvm
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Sandwolf posted:Tempted to kill Cube here, actually. I do not know if being a town vig that cannot kill yet would trigger a false positive. The wording I have for positives is “has a killing action.” It would take a hell of a reach for that to be my role, which can only result in my own death (the "death" part of "death miller" being a breadcrumb, remmeber that?) Anyway I will mot elaborate. Just wanted to say in case of crazy mod ruling.
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Spacebanito is also scum
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Johnny Keats posted:Spacebanito is also scum An exciting claim. Please explain.
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Opopanax posted:Honestly not sure I believe Sandwolf, it feels like yuming took a leap and he's rolling with it. Cube'a claim does give it some weight though This is genuinely unbearable guy. Next time we play together, just try and force the alternative, constantly insist im town, instead of you jumping through hoops to make me scum.
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Sandwolf posted:This is genuinely unbearable guy. Next time we play together, just try and force the alternative, constantly insist im town, instead of you jumping through hoops to make me scum. Ok but if you're scum in that one you have to tell me
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Opopanax posted:Ok but if you're scum in that one you have to tell me This is 1000% gonna happen and my nightmare will never end
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I still kinda want to eliminate Hal.
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Fine ##unvote I concede that the sequence of events is too unlikely, but if Sandwolf is scum I'm going to be ever so pissed
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Oh goddammit. Licorice hat. Forgot D1 this game.
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Tbh I don't 100% believe Sandwolf's role either but that's because the interaction with mine sounds like a modding headache
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# ? Feb 18, 2025 07:04 |
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