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Yeah that's...not really relevant? Because again, what you're saying is "Even if Keats is telling the truth, that means we have to axe him" Which, no, if Keats is telling the truth, we need to axe you. Period.
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The point is that it no longer matters if keats is wholly lying (possible; it doesn't make a lot of sense to choose a claimed miller as his survivor target), partially lying and concealing a vig (possible; he hedged his bets when the eccosmith first came out with the "crazy mod" thing), or telling the truth (doubtful), he needs to be eliminated.
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So at this stage the question really needs to be whether or not people believe Keats's claim. If you do, FoS is the vote. Otherwise it has to be Keats, because lying a full claim at this stage would be impossibly scummy. Honestly, I'm confused as to why this is still a conversation as opposed to just having FoS be the vote
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fool of sound posted:The point is that it no longer matters if keats is wholly lying (possible; it doesn't make a lot of sense to choose a claimed miller as his survivor target), partially lying and concealing a vig (possible; he hedged his bets when the eccosmith first came out with the "crazy mod" thing), or telling the truth (doubtful), he needs to be eliminated. Yeah, I don't understand how you keep saying "If he's telling the truth he has to go" when the condition of him telling the truth is that you're scum, and saying "Even if I'm scum, Keats is the better target"
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Spacebanito posted:So at this stage the question really needs to be whether or not people believe Keats's claim. If you do, FoS is the vote. Otherwise it has to be Keats, because lying a full claim at this stage would be impossibly scummy. Because keats is probably scum! He's been playing scummy all game!
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Spacebanito posted:Yeah, I don't understand how you keep saying "If he's telling the truth he has to go" when the condition of him telling the truth is that you're scum, and saying "Even if I'm scum, Keats is the better target" Because keats' claim is scum in lylo even if you believe it, which you shouldn't.
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The worst case scenario for eliminating keats is that he's fully telling the truth and a functional scum is eliminated. The worst case scenario for eliminating me is that keats is just lying, I'm town, and he's scum.
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fool of sound posted:Because keats is probably scum! He's been playing scummy all game! Except his scum play also aligns with his claim
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fool of sound posted:The worst case scenario for eliminating keats is that he's fully telling the truth and a functional scum is eliminated. The worst case scenario for eliminating me is that keats is just lying, I'm town, and he's scum. This is bad and I think that it is obvious why it is bad
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I don't believe the Keats claim. Especially in light of his earlier hedging about if he'd trigger the gunsmith.
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Spacebanito posted:Except his scum play also aligns with his claim Does it? Why is yuming so invested in defending him if she's unaware, why is he so disinterested in defending himself if that fucks up his ability to revive the person he needs to protect?
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fool of sound posted:Does it? Why is yuming so invested in defending him if she's unaware, why is he so disinterested in defending himself if that fucks up his ability to revive the person he needs to protect? I mean, it doesn't, really. His lover/survivor claim doesn't really care about his own survival, and when he flips down and you go down next, that still works to his end game.
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yeah sorry but FoS not immediately going "yeah thats bullshit because you should be able to kill according to Sandwolf" is pinging me hard
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fool of sound posted:Does it? Why is yuming so invested in defending him if she's unaware, why is he so disinterested in defending himself if that fucks up his ability to revive the person he needs to protect? is yuming particularly invested?
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Oh my a lot happened while I slept! Top of my head with 9 alive it makes the most sense to kill keats and if he's telling the truth we can still kill FoS tomorrow and be ok (unless sand is scum and gave us fake results), but if we kill FoS and he's town and keats is telling the truth we lose? (Also requires sand to have been lying I guess) Still a bit tired though so maybe I'm missing a bit.
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I don't believe keats' claim because I know I can't kill so unless two separate sand results got hosed up that means he has to be able to. However, and this is the crux of my argument, nobody else needs to 100% believe that I'm town in order for the calculus to tell them to vote keats. You just need to not 100% believe that I'm scum, because if there's any room for doubt, then keats is the better target. And there should be room for doubt unless you have motivated reasoning!
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Tired Moritz posted:is yuming particularly invested? She's defended keats for three days straight now when there have been sand results.
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fool of sound posted:Does it? Why is yuming so invested in defending him if she's unaware, why is he so disinterested in defending himself if that fucks up his ability to revive the person he needs to protect? I assumed that was because Yuming is scum. But based on the way you've been posting about Yuming maybe she's actually town and I can start trying to work with town instead? I'll think about it if we flip you as scum.
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My point is that keats' claim should convince the fence sitters to vote keats, and we have multiple fence sitters at this point.
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Johnny Keats posted:I assumed that was because Yuming is scum. Why haven't you pushed yuming at all until this point if you believe that?
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fool of sound posted:She's defended keats for three days straight now when there have been sand results. She seems to mostly have avoided talking about keats to me, other than one post where she said she could see his pov or something. Are there vocal defenses I'm missing?
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Keats claim probably fake and if it isn't then it's still in our best interest to kill him. Great stuff, Keats!
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Honestly it just seems like you're all bad
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fool of sound posted:My point is that keats' claim should convince the fence sitters to vote keats, and we have multiple fence sitters at this point. Kinda where I'm at, yeah
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To answer your question of why I was okay claiming and being voted out is because either Yuming is scum like I hope and y'all win fast, or Yuming is not a threat to scum and they won't kill her just to spite me, probably. You know, if you want to rush Hal or something I'm down lol
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Hal Incandenza posted:Oh my a lot happened while I slept! I mean, this is only true if you're scum, Rangoon isn't, and you and your scumbud double-tap in the night. Otherwise we don't really lose if we get this wrong
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fool of sound posted:Why haven't you pushed yuming at all until this point if you believe that? Is this a real question?
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At this stage I'm willing to vote Keats because I have been since basically go, and I'm tired of people ignoring the extremely obvious, very clear scumFoS and I'd rather we flip Keats now so we can see FoS is scum instead of spending the next 24 hours or so listening to y'all be wrong What's the vote count at?
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fool of sound posted:Why haven't you pushed yuming at all until this point if you believe that? Did you deliberately forget his claim to ask this, or...?
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Spacebanito posted:At this stage I'm willing to vote Keats because I have been since basically go, and I'm tired of people ignoring the extremely obvious, very clear scumFoS and I'd rather we flip Keats now so we can see FoS is scum instead of spending the next 24 hours or so listening to y'all be wrong -2
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:Keats claim probably fake and if it isn't then it's still in our best interest to kill him. Great stuff, Keats! [What Spacebanito said to FoS]
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I guess I'm glad I could out scum. Just don't murder Yuming while town votes you all out okay
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yuming posted:I agree I think that the Keats mix up reads town. yuming posted:As for the soft claim, I would go for FoS out of those three. Cube and keats I both have stronger town feels on. These two are back to back: yuming posted:I am most suspicious of Illu (obv) and keats atm. yuming posted:I’m going back and forth on keats. yuming posted:So my thought re: space vs. keats is that it is ++ town on keats. Note that she already wasn't claiming suspicion on keats when she said this yuming posted:I've effectively swapped keats for Rangoon in my suspicion list atm. yuming posted:I think keats and I are seeing the same POV here. yuming posted:I agree with Keats’ point on Illus claim. I wanna kill Illu here. yuming posted:Looking though his posts I can follow keats' perspective as role claims change. I am just not imagining him as scum here tbqh.
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##vote Keats
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If I knew for sure that Yuming is scum and scum does have a way to double-kill tonight, then I would hammer myself.
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Yeah, I'm so exhausted by this at this stage. I actually do believe the claim, but at this point I'm with Sandwolf and I just want this all to end. Let's kill FoS tomorrow and TMor the day after please. ##vote: keats
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![]() Votecount for Day 4 With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 26th, 2024 at 11:59 p.m. BST -- that's in about 1 day, 1 hour.
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The exhausted populace finally brought the gavel down. But this time, no Curse Stone, empty or otherwise - just a single talisman, its twin still missing. Johnny Keats, CHARM-aligned holder of a Protective Charm, has been eliminated. quote:Even in death, victory. It is now Night 4. 24 hours for night actions.
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Shigima Manor, Sumida District, Tokyo. 12AM Harue Shigima--codename, "Yuming"--tremulously regards the Curse Stone in her hands. So much blood has been spilled for this moment. Her compatriots are in position to back her up. All she needs to do is call on the curse. Yuming, SCUM-aligned bearer of the Haunting Clappers, has successfully completed the Rite of Resurrection! quote:Kills by incineration one who carries a source of flame on their person. Fool of Sound, SCUM-aligned bearer of the Ever-burning Lantern, has successfully completed the Rite of Resurrection! quote:Kills by exsanguination one who is bathed in moonlight. Spork-chan, SCUM-aligned bearer of the Fool's Procession, has successfully completed the Rite of Resurrection! quote:Kills by fatal fall one who hears the curse’s song while the bearer is hidden. Azure Heron Agency. 6AM The radio crackles to life. Hal and NSRG exchange a grim look as the newscaster reports the discovery of two bodies, burnt beyond recognition. They may have survived the Rite of Resurrection, but it's of little comfort. Hal Incandenza, TOWN-aligned bearer of the Foot-washing Mansion, has failed to stop the Rite of Resurrection. quote:Kills by crushing one who hears the curse’s voice. Nutsack Rangoon, TOWN-aligned bearer of a Ouija Board, has failed to stop the Rite of Resurrection. quote:No relation to the green plumber. Spacebanito, TOWN-aligned bearer of a Curse Scroll, has died by incineration. quote:Forewarned is forearmed. Tired Moritz, TOWN-aligned bearer of the Beckoning Light, has died by incineration. quote:Kills by strangulation one who follows after the bearer. Sumida Police Department. 6AM Sandwolf scowls at the Evergreen Beech as it disintegrates in his hands. Even though the identities of the killers are now clear, there can be no justice. Sandwolf, TOWN-aligned bearer of the Evergreen Beech, has failed to stop the Rite of Resurrection. quote:Kills by hanging one who tries to mislead the bearer. Bank of the Sumida River. 7AM As the first light of dawn breaks over Sumida, two figures slowly regain consciousness on the concrete riverbank. "Mister?" "Hm?" "Where are we? What happened? Where's my mom? I want my mom." "Mm. Sumida River, if I'm not mistaken. We've just been resurrected from death--" "Huh?!" "--and I believe we have your mother to thank. C'mon, then." Keats gets to his feet and holds out a hand to the young Shuuichi Shigima. "She's waiting for you." Keats, CHARM-aligned bearer of a Protective Charm, has been resurrected by Yuming! quote:Even in death, victory. ... And so ends the tale of the Seven Mysteries of Honjo. It has been an honor to be your Storyteller. This game may not have been perfect in its conception, but I thank you for persisting with it until the end. I look forward to our next meeting.
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