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Vig I save it for later when I have stronger reads. Cop Cube. I don’t know that I’ve ever had a strong, correct read on him. Mason Rangoon cos long time no see ! !
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Okay so let’s talk Fancy. When I made my claim this is his initial reaction ^^above Next, a quick hit of calling Cube and I scum together. Jokey response to getting voted. Seems like he was floating a vote on me but then backed off and hasn’t really engaged with me directly. Scummy.
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Floating the idea of voting me is a better way to word it. Like he was winding up but didn’t see the support and then went back to ~lol joke phase~
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yuming posted:Okay so let’s talk Fancy. Any thoughts on them claiming an investigative role out the gate?
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Illusionis and Fancy both seem fairly suspect. The immediate investigate claim is actually one of the things I feel is a null tell, because regardless of being town or scum, it's a clumsy move.
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Spacebanito posted:Illusionis and Fancy both seem fairly suspect. The immediate investigate claim is actually one of the things I feel is a null tell, because regardless of being town or scum, it's a clumsy move. I agree they both feel kinda scummy
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:Mostly fueled by decade all memories: Ok Sonic (because you are hogging all the hedge, here)
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Opopanax posted:Ok Sonic (because you are hogging all the hedge, here) I don't really see how you're reading this is as a hedge?
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Spacebanito posted:Illusionis and Fancy both seem fairly suspect. The immediate investigate claim is actually one of the things I feel is a null tell, because regardless of being town or scum, it's a clumsy move. I disagree. Both have spurred the thread to action, Illu with VCM and Fancy with the claim. I think spurring conversation during a slow D1 is a plus for town. Scum want to sit back and follow the thread.
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:Any thoughts on them claiming an investigative role out the gate? I think his reaction to my claim stood out.
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SporkChan posted:I disagree. Both have spurred the thread to action, Illu with VCM and Fancy with the claim. I think spurring conversation during a slow D1 is a plus for town. Scum want to sit back and follow the thread. Spurring conversation with a fake claim isn't helpful though, and neither would making a true claim like that actually help town, since if it is a true claim, it just makes them an N1 target and scum are the only ones who would reasonably know that the claim is 'true' (at least the alignment part)
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##vote FoS
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Who said anything about a fake claim
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Lots of votes being thrown around with no reasoning given
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yuming posted:I took it with a grain of salt. While he was really specific, the meta these days is many players make claims early to gauge reactions. What's the play after? Just "haha it was to make things happen D1?" Pains me to know the way I knew the game has changed.. please just don't tell me lumpenlists have fallen out of favor..
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yuming posted:I took it with a grain of salt. While he was really specific, the meta these days is many players make claims early to gauge reactions. Also, I guess, do you do this too?
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Hal Incandenza posted:Vig Sandwolf before he vigs me yuming posted:Vig I save it for later when I have stronger reads. These cop-outs get a strong hmmmm
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Illusionis posted:These cop-outs get a strong hmmmm ##vote Illusionis
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Just vote someone, no justification necessary, have to make sure vote pattern analysis post flip is as garbage as possible
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My suspicions to Illusionis are definitely building. Not inclined to actually drop a vote yet, but as it stands that's where I'd be. I find the idea that lying about your role D1 is standard Townie play in the meta, but admit it has been a long while since I played last so it's possible. I'm with Rangoon though, what does that move look like D2? The D1 claim of being an investigative role has four outcomes. If you're town and telling the truth, you give good info D2, die N2 without doctor intervention, and that assuming you're able to convince people, and that scum don't axe you N1. This is a bad play, it seems to me. If you're town and lying, D2 leads to you needing to provide information you don't have, which I shouldn't need to explain why is a bad play. If you're scum, a D1 claim like this has much better results for you, since it primes you for a later bussing, and you actually do have the needed info of who is and isn't scum to be able to give the needed info D2 to keep people's eyes off you. Talking out my reasoning like this I think I've convinced myself that the Inv claim was very suspicious, not a null tell like I said. Aside from that, I haven't weighed in on yuming but I'll say I think the Miller claim is legit, because the conversation around it is too specific and genuine. If it isn't true, it's an absolutely excellent forgery
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Also the reactions to D1 voting don't fill me with a ton of faith either, but that's more feeling than data
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Lying role claim on d1 is far from meta, there's just a few people who like doing it
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Spacebanito posted:Also the reactions to D1 voting don't fill me with a ton of faith either, but that's more feeling than data There are (probably) only 3 scum, so it’s very very crucial you don’t put bad faith motivations over everyone. Find the folks who are trying to exist in between the real opinions.
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As for Fancy claiming d1 is just something they have decided is a good idea to do, so I wouldn't consider the claiming itself really indicative of anything
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All fair points, and part of why I'm not actually voting yet, just kind of voicing feelings and the evidence I have, to try and build a bigger picture. And with regards to people's prior game history/tendencies, I can't speak to it one way or the other but it goes in the information pile
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Usually when an investigative role claims, they are not killed that night. It does however make it feel like (for the player with the role) their results are slightly less dependable though
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:I don't really see how you're reading this is as a hedge? You don't see how "I think yuming claimed Miller because she is scum or because she's town but also I'm suspicious of the claim" is hedging?
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:Also, I guess, do you do this too? Lumpen lists are still a thing. ![]()
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CubicalSucrose posted:##vote FoS
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Illusionis posted:These cop-outs get a strong hmmmm ##vote Illu
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Hi yuming
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yuming posted:Tell me more! Seems like scum.
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Hi! Have you played with spacebanito before? They seem v earnest read:town to me.
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CubicalSucrose posted:Seems like scum. That's no way to treat the local bulletproof seer/vig
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I can answer that more quickly, I haven't played on SA for like, a decade, haha
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Opopanax posted:You don't see how "I think yuming claimed Miller because she is scum or because she's town but also I'm suspicious of the claim" is hedging? Where ddi I say or if she's town? I think claiming miller from the rip is a bad look and everything in that post is about how it is.
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Okay nutsack is town
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Nutsack Rangoon posted:Where ddi I say or if she's town? I think claiming miller from the rip is a bad look and everything in that post is about how it is. For a while, the SA Mafia wiki mentioned that "Claiming Miller immediately D1" is the good-and-proper town thing to do. Some game mods thought it would be cute to put in multiple millers. So then for a few months during the past year or so, there would occasionally be like 3ish D1 miller claims, reducing their utility pretty significantly. Very recently, I think the pendulum has shifted more back to "typical" regarding early Miller claims (this may or may not be directly related to Zoya playing in fewer games).
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# ? Feb 7, 2025 22:20 |
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Tired Moritz posted:Okay nutsack is town I was just about to vote you. You got any other thoughts?
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