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Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
I have no vote placed and have even explained why, namely that a no-lynch D1 tends to skew numbers in town's favor, but I'll be honest, Fancy has made a very strong case for themselves so

##Vote Fancy

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yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
##vote Fancy

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Great minds

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Spacebanito posted:

I have no vote placed and have even explained why, namely that a no-lynch D1 tends to skew numbers in town's favor, but I'll be honest, Fancy has made a very strong case for themselves so

##Vote Fancy

D1 no dunk is terrible for town and not sure what numbers you're referring to, but it doesn't change mylo/lylo math with 13 at least

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Please make sure to look into cube and FoS after I flip town

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.
I like AFQM > Cubical

We got another vote for hammer? I'll be here til deadline

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Spacebanito posted:

I have no vote placed and have even explained why, namely that a no-lynch D1 tends to skew numbers in town's favor, but I'll be honest, Fancy has made a very strong case for themselves so

##Vote Fancy

I agree with Illu that any yeet is better than no-yeet on D1.

Where are you getting the Fancy suspicion? So far he's seemed fairly town to me.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Nutsack Rangoon posted:

I like AFQM > Cubical

We got another vote for hammer? I'll be here til deadline

I'm around and will vote AFQM to secure a yeet.

But for me it's

Cube >>> AFQM

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Illusionis posted:

D1 no dunk is terrible for town and not sure what numbers you're referring to, but it doesn't change mylo/lylo math with 13 at least

Maybe the game has changed since last I played, but the logic and meta then at least was that on D1 you're much more likely to hit town, just, statistically, than scum, because you have so little info to go on, and in role madness especially you gain a lot more info N1 compared to a missed kill. I mentioned this reasoning before, too, but again, that's old meta that I'm fine to hear arguments against.

That aside, I'm firmly comfortable with my vote given the reasoning already described by me and others why Fancy seems a good pick

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Spacebanito posted:

Maybe the game has changed since last I played, but the logic and meta then at least was that on D1 you're much more likely to hit town, just, statistically, than scum, because you have so little info to go on, and in role madness especially you gain a lot more info N1 compared to a missed kill. I mentioned this reasoning before, too, but again, that's old meta that I'm fine to hear arguments against.

That aside, I'm firmly comfortable with my vote given the reasoning already described by me and others why Fancy seems a good pick

This gets discussed every few months and SA meta (not necessarily correct for this particular game) is to try and avoid no-elims.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
What reasoning specifically?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Please explain why you think I am scum but FoS or cube are town

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Spacebanito posted:

Maybe the game has changed since last I played, but the logic and meta then at least was that on D1 you're much more likely to hit town, just, statistically, than scum, because you have so little info to go on, and in role madness especially you gain a lot more info N1 compared to a missed kill. I mentioned this reasoning before, too, but again, that's old meta that I'm fine to hear arguments against.

That aside, I'm firmly comfortable with my vote given the reasoning already described by me and others why Fancy seems a good pick

Role madness giving town info is a fair argument for it, but unless investigations hit incriminating evidence it kind of leads to a d2 that's almost like d1 only scum get to pick somebody off is mostly the common consensus nowadays

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

I'm not 100% sure I want an elim today.

Votecount for Day 1

AFancyQuestionMark (5): yuming, Johnny Keats, yuming, Sandwolf, fool of sound, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, Spacebanito, yuming
CubicalSucrose (3): yuming, yuming, Illusionis, AFancyQuestionMark, Illusionis, SporkChan, Illusionis
Illusionis (1): Sandwolf, yuming, Sandwolf, CubicalSucrose, yuming
Tired Moritz (1): Nutsack Rangoon
Sandwolf (1): Opopanax
fool of sound (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
SporkChan (0): CubicalSucrose, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
yuming (0): CubicalSucrose, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, CubicalSucrose, Illusionis, Illusionis
Johnny Keats (0): Sandwolf, Sandwolf
Opopanax (0): fool of sound, fool of sound
Hal Incandenza (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose

Not Voting (2): Hal Incandenza, Tired Moritz

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 15th, 2024 at 4 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 13 minutes.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 1

AFancyQuestionMark (5): yuming, Johnny Keats, yuming, Sandwolf, fool of sound, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, Spacebanito, yuming
CubicalSucrose (3): yuming, yuming, Illusionis, AFancyQuestionMark, Illusionis, SporkChan, Illusionis
Illusionis (1): Sandwolf, yuming, Sandwolf, CubicalSucrose, yuming
Tired Moritz (1): Nutsack Rangoon
Sandwolf (1): Opopanax
fool of sound (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
SporkChan (0): CubicalSucrose, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
yuming (0): CubicalSucrose, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, CubicalSucrose, Illusionis, Illusionis
Johnny Keats (0): Sandwolf, Sandwolf
Opopanax (0): fool of sound, fool of sound
Hal Incandenza (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose

Not Voting (2): Hal Incandenza, Tired Moritz

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 15th, 2024 at 4 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 11 minutes.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Spacebanito posted:

My suspicions to Illusionis are definitely building. Not inclined to actually drop a vote yet, but as it stands that's where I'd be.

I find the idea that lying about your role D1 is standard Townie play in the meta, but admit it has been a long while since I played last so it's possible. I'm with Rangoon though, what does that move look like D2?

The D1 claim of being an investigative role has four outcomes. If you're town and telling the truth, you give good info D2, die N2 without doctor intervention, and that assuming you're able to convince people, and that scum don't axe you N1. This is a bad play, it seems to me.

If you're town and lying, D2 leads to you needing to provide information you don't have, which I shouldn't need to explain why is a bad play.

If you're scum, a D1 claim like this has much better results for you, since it primes you for a later bussing, and you actually do have the needed info of who is and isn't scum to be able to give the needed info D2 to keep people's eyes off you.

Talking out my reasoning like this I think I've convinced myself that the Inv claim was very suspicious, not a null tell like I said.

Aside from that, I haven't weighed in on yuming but I'll say I think the Miller claim is legit, because the conversation around it is too specific and genuine. If it isn't true, it's an absolutely excellent forgery

This is why I think Fancy is scum

FoS and Cube I can't strongly say one way or the other, except that I've found Illusionis and TM far more suspect.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Illusionis posted:

Role madness giving town info is a fair argument for it, but unless investigations hit incriminating evidence it kind of leads to a d2 that's almost like d1 only scum get to pick somebody off is mostly the common consensus nowadays

It's funny that I made this exact argument the other way the last time I played, which, again, is about a decade ago. I'm not comfortable axing just ANYONE because of the idea that SOMEONE has to go, but I AM fully comfortable with Fancy as a vote.

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Please explain why you think I am scum but FoS or cube are town

You'd be posting a lot of empty criticism, role speculation earlier. Reads incurious but trying to participate.

I don't really have a town read on Cube but don't agree with the reasoning of Spork. I don't think Hal necessarily reads town from his few posts here and I definitely didn't think of him as such pre-Spork's case.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


##vote fancy

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.
*You'd been

I don't know if that's proper English but that's what I was trying to say

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


There's 10 minutes left, second place is at minus 5, we don't have time for anything else

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.
I'll hammer at like a minute to deadline. I want people to be able to talk til then.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Opopanax posted:

There's 10 minutes left, second place is at minus 5, we don't have time for anything else

Overexplained?

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
Yeah ##vote Fancy

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
:redhammer: There was a AFancyQuestionMark here. They're gone now.

Votecount for Day 1

AFancyQuestionMark (7): yuming, Johnny Keats, yuming, Sandwolf, fool of sound, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, Spacebanito, yuming, Opopanax, Illusionis
CubicalSucrose (2): yuming, yuming, Illusionis, AFancyQuestionMark, Illusionis, SporkChan, Illusionis, Illusionis
Illusionis (1): Sandwolf, yuming, Sandwolf, CubicalSucrose, yuming
Tired Moritz (1): Nutsack Rangoon
fool of sound (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
SporkChan (0): CubicalSucrose, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
yuming (0): CubicalSucrose, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, CubicalSucrose, Illusionis, Illusionis
Johnny Keats (0): Sandwolf, Sandwolf
Opopanax (0): fool of sound, fool of sound
Sandwolf (0): Opopanax, Opopanax
Hal Incandenza (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose

Not Voting (2): Hal Incandenza, Tired Moritz

With 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 15th, 2024 at 4 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 5 minutes.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Opopanax posted:

There's 10 minutes left, second place is at minus 5, we don't have time for anything else

Feels a bit like trying to avoid the SA-signature last minute D1 swerve.

But since that swerve would possibly be onto my scum read, I'm hoping it happens.

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



Eventually, the town came to a decision: it was AFancyQuestionMark who was conspiring to complete the Rite! But though a Curse Stone was found on their body, the only soul dreg it contained was their own.

AFancyQuestionMark has been eliminated D1. They were found holding the One-Sided Reed.

quote:

Kills by dismembering one who calls the bearer’s name.

You are TOWN-aligned. You win when all threats to TOWN are eliminated.

As a night action, you may ##eavesdrop on another player. The following morning, you will receive a copy of any results that player receives.

It is now Night 1. 24 hours for night actions.

Music: Yin Yang

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Cool mod = open nights?

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



Opopanax posted:

Cool mod = open nights?

I did rule "no posting after hammer" in the OP but I am also very susceptible to being called "cool", so I will allow non-game-related chatting.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Hmm, half cool

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Shell told me I was gonna be modkilled cause I posted after hammer, so at least we know who the cool mod is.

mycelia
Apr 28, 2013

POWERFUL FUNGAL LORD



There is a tension in the air as, one by one, people emerge from their homes--but it lifts as a headcount reveals no new victims. Still, it's too soon to grow complacent. As long as the Curse Stones are active, the people of Honjo are in danger.

No-one died on Night 1. It is now Day 2.

mycelia fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 16, 2024

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 2



Not Voting (12): CubicalSucrose, fool of sound, Hal Incandenza, Illusionis, Johnny Keats, Nutsack Rangoon, Opopanax, Sandwolf, Spacebanito, SporkChan, Tired Moritz, yuming

With 12 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 19th, 2024 at 11:59 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 3 days, 6 hours.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Thanks Opop, I imagine.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
Well. Not how I expected any of that to go, but being baffled about Fancy's play won't really help us moving forward so instead.

I want to talk about TM but the reason I want to is inactivity mostly, so there's not a lot to talk about there

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Interesting

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
What a beautiful sunny morning :sun:

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


I say we kill one of FoS, Cube or Keats.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Sandwolf posted:

I say we kill one of FoS, Cube or Keats.

I vote for not-Cube.

Given that AFQM flipped town with (what they flipped as), I'm less inclined to be super against voting FoS, Keats, and Opop today.

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Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

CubicalSucrose posted:

I vote for not-Cube.

Given that AFQM flipped town with (what they flipped as), I'm less inclined to be super against voting FoS, Keats, and Opop today.


Sandwolf posted:

I say we kill one of FoS, Cube or Keats.

Well, fos and Keats being the overlaps, either or both wanna restate the cases there?

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