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mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

night 1: shot tsi
night 2: tried to track yuming, it didn't work. wasn't told why
night 3: watched fool
night 4: doc'd shwiff

after that i didn't have any more abilities

i would have to look more closely to see whether I missed a day and I don't feel like bothering but that's all the stuff we did

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mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

mollyohreally posted:

night 1: shot tsi
night 2: tried to track yuming, it didn't work. wasn't told why
night 3: watched fool
night 4: doc'd shwiff

after that i didn't have any more abilities

i would have to look more closely to see whether I missed a day and I don't feel like bothering but that's all the stuff we did

and in the order it was done

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
VT, even though the flavour made it sound like that may change(it was implied someone might try to bribe me to give different testamony, but that seems to just be flavor)

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

goddammit, why you both have to vanillaclaim

where's hal

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

i asked in my confessional if the ghost vote prevented a 1v1 from being a guaranteed scum win and rwc said she couldn't answer that so im gonna just proceed as if it were mylo personally

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I’m VT, haven’t been able to do anything all game

My flavor is Rose Mary Silver Dollar yadda yadda which was confirmed by EGalz

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I will do my due diligence and look at yuming again, she hasn’t pinged me like she usually does but I’ve also not paid as close attention this game as I have some recent ones

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

yuming posted:

Also how does Hal have a flavor clear? EGalz flip makes it sound like Hal is a survivor though he keeps saying nah.

I don’t even think it makes me sound like a survivor, it says nothing about my wincon, only that Egalz had an extra bonus wincon of winning if I’m alive.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I believe every other person who flipped scum was a murderess from Chicago

My person is completely unrelated but happened to die in Chicago, but I’m actually the daughter of Colorado legend Baby Doe and the Silver King of Colorado which I’m sure RWC gave me as a nod to our shared Coloradoness. For more info see the opera Ballad of Baby Doe

I guess if anything that makes me sound like a survivor but I’m definitely not scum, just VT.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
In all honesty, survivor at this stage of the game is just a townie, so it doesn't bear looking at. I just don't think Egalz would be given a bonus wincon as town to have a scumbo survive? It's just... It doesn't feel at all likely.

So it's basically GOTTA be Yuming or me. Which means if you do yeet me, and it goes to another day, whoever is left(almost certainly Hal) will need to rely on ghosts voting for Yuming.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
Now, point of order, if scum thought it was mylo one way or the other, and didn't consider the 1v1 ft ghosts a possibility... I definitely see there being a benefit to leaving us at 4 instead of 3. Without ghosts, both are mylo, and it gives them one extra person to not convince.

Actually, with the idea of withholding in mind, odds are they DID target Maer, since it wouldn't matter then. Like, if you're going to withhold anyway, and it's mylo whether you kill or not, Maer is the good target. Yes you might be wasting it, but you guarantee the loss of town AND BH.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 8



Not voting: Hal Incandenza, mollyohreally, Spacebanito, yuming

With 4 alive, it's 3 votes to execute. There is currently no deadline set.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I like the moxie spacebanito is showing, if nothing else

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
It's only impressive if I'm scum. If I'm town I'm just normal kinds of trying to figure it out.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Yuming could well be a serial busser playing off the cop result, but honestly I'm not really seeing it.

Maaaaybe I could say she's a little too disengaged from her normal town game but she might just be busy

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
I'm actually trying to read the game now but my girls are going bananas :sparkles:

The good (1) laughing like a witch, the bad (2) directionless shrieking.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Player: EGalz18
Character: Ginger McGonigle
Alignment: Town
Extra win condition: If Rose Mary Echo Silver Dollar Tabor is alive at the end of the game (you do not have to be alive)
Extra Ability: Flavor cop, bodyguard

You are private dick hired by one Baby Doe Tabor of Leadville, Colorado, to find her daughter, Rose Mary Echo Silver Dollar Tabor, who she believes to be living somewhere in Chicago, probably using a fake name. To that end, each night you may choose one of two actions: check a player’s flavor, and if successful you will learn their flavor name (##namecheck player) and receive a photo. You have this photo of Silver Dollar to compare.
Your other night choice is select a player to bodyguard. If that player is targeted for death, you will die instead. (##bodyguard player)

You win with town. If Silver Dollar is still alive at the end of the game, you win with either faction.
I shortened this, but this is what I am stuck on about EGalz flip.

If Hal is town EGalz role has effectively a 100% achievement ~BONUS~ wincon.

If Hal is 3p the faction thing reads similar to Inception, which is an interesting coincidence since EGalz was a survivor faction member there too.

If Hal is scum, EGalz is a traitor that isn't revealed in the flip. NOPE ! !

Banito is right tho that it doesn't matter if Hal is a survivor or not cos the ghosts decide the vote here.

HA HA WHAT A STORY.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance

CubicalSucrose posted:

Towniest

Keats
Kaschei
AFQM
Molly
PHuzz
Hal
Myc
Tsiet
DA
Shwinn
Monathin
Yuming
Sand
EGalz
SB
Maerlyn
Milli
Keane - based on Keats' scumread
Taste
FoS depending on who he kills
Iggy for now

Scummiest

Need to reread binus and the binus voters before deciding where I land there.

Spacebanito posted:

You're gonna have to explain why AFQM who has like. 5 posts this game so far, is close to the top of your Town list

Spacebanito posted:

Again. Four posts since the game actually started, and no actual content. This is almost too dumb a mistake for scumcube to make, except I don't see towncube making it either. I'm forced to choose scumcube doing a move that later he'll be able to say "if I was scum I'd be smarter than this" so

##vote cube
...

Spacebanito posted:

Okay, so I now am very sure of my scum team map.

It's Milli, Keane, Taste, and a wildcard.
Oh I get it, it's just a call back to Cube's listpost.

Don't let it go to his head btw.

:sparkles:

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance

Spacebanito posted:

Okay, well, my brain says it's 3 out of Hum, Hal, Binus, Mona.

My heart says that it's taste.(This is purely vibes, a general feeling of asking questions but not offering any of his own answers, nudging people around and guiding without actually contributing)
I am losing steam here, but I am rereading Banito.

I see a lot of back and forth with FoS and taste, but Banito always ends up somewhere else.

midgame:

Spacebanito posted:

I consider the Keane case a lurker vote, so I'll toss my hat on the pile if it comes to it, but I consider Hum and Egalz better options
This is unflattering.

The other thing that stands out to me is how Spacebanito shifts around his view of the game state based on mechanics/role info to support miselims. He does this by using process of elimination to go after Hum. (here) Later, he moves on to Sandwolf's wincon and argues in favor of killing Maer (here) to give Sand a win despite saying he thinks Maer is town. The other point along with this perspective is Spacebanito calls Keane and taste scum for their flavor.

I think this fits with the scumteam POV at the time: EGalz flavor cop was obviously a kick in the shins, so why not bus in that case?

Spacebanito posted:

Okay, so if y'all want to let scum drive this, Keane and Taste working together to yeet me is bonkers. Feel free to chuck me after one of them flips scum, but if you do me first you're asking to lose.

Maer gave me poo poo earlier for being 'wishy washy', but now that I'm speaking in clear terms, Keane says I'm 'too sure how many scum there are' and 'overselling town clears'.

Anyway, I've made my case, kill me if you want to lose, but if you'd rather have town win, Keane and taste is it
Yea I'm p sold here esp coupled with my early game read.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance

Hal Incandenza posted:

Mean Keane’s Spacebean

Sorry that popped into my head and I had to say it
kekeke

I am getting mad survivor vibes from Hal's posting but not scum at all.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance

mollyohreally posted:

my wincon is eliminate all threats to town
molly was confirmed town from this post on :sun:

I'm basically just doing a clip show here idk but I'm going to at least reread the isos.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
k so done rereading molly, who is obviously town.

Found this,

Spacebanito posted:

Right, seems like y'all are dead set on making mistakes today, so when I flip, I expect that if Iggy is, in fact, town, he'll push Kaschei tomorrow, since I'm gonna go down voting him, so keep an eye on whether that happens or not.

FoS I'm unsure of, but definitely feel like they are hedging pretty hard with their reads list, especially given that they left players out of it.

Yuming I think it's likely just wrong, but she's fleeced me wholly as scum before so maybe she's just doing it again

mollyohreally posted:

we got a three way tie with nearly two hours to go, a little soon to be writing your last will and testament
votes were at 3 on Space, 3 on Iggy (ghosts included) and 3 on kaschei.

This feels like jumpy scum POV.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
I also agree with molly that Banito's content on Milli is hard to parse since it's Milli's first game.

If anything, it was a light prod on Milli when Space voted her. It was a softball.

ZZZzzz that's all for now. Good night quiet thread.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
From my POV, it can only possibly be Yuming. I can't really explain more why, either, because at this point, any reading I do will be with that conclusion in mind, so I will be unconsciously massaging anything I read to fit into that. The ghosts DON'T control today, as a side note, since there's 3 town, 1 scum(or 2 town, one surv, one scum, but that surv's best chance of living is to yeet scum so...you're town now if you're surv Hal, I don't make the rules), that means if town gets together on getting rid of someone, ghosts have no influence. Ghosts only control today if we end up with a 2/2 split tie, which I consider unlikely. Me and Yuming both know the score at this stage, she'll vote me because I'm the only chance for a miselim on her part, meanwhile I know it must be her. I suppose Molly and Hal could split the difference, but that feels unlikely.

Anyway, it's Yuming, hth

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
Oh, and to whit, I didn't actually realize Cube's list came true, but upside-down. It's legit funny to me that everyone he said was towniest was, in fact, the scum team. That's kinda wild.

Anyway, I did not, in fact, go back to that list. It was based on Keane's weird emergence, Milli being nailed to the wall by EGalz, and Tate defending Milli in a way that felt like it could only be scum going to bat for scum.

Ultimately, Hal and Molly need to decide which is more likely: I'm scum who bussed the entirety of the scum team at a point where really there wasn't pressure on Taste, and Keane was only being mildly sussed upon, and then proceeded to push hard for Taste and Keane to both go...or that Yuming, who hasn't voted scum at any point in this game, didn't do anything to speak of to yeet any of the scum we got during the day(Since our first scum dead was a night kill...) is a godfather.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
Also, Yuming you may have overplayed your hand by re-reading me. If you were town, your perspective at the moment is that it can't be Hal, it can't be Molly, and it can't be you, so it MUST be me. Reread unnecessary. Sure, you might be trying to convince other people, but that's not what your posts sound like. They sound more like you're trying to convince yourself, which I propose is actually scum acting.

Also while I'm thinking about it... Molly you don't find your attempt to watch yuming on n2 having failed For Some Reason to be suspect, at this point?

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
Yes I did vote scum cmon, perhaps you should’ve put the effort into rereading my posts :sparkles:

##vote Spacebanito

Nice work with all the scum v. scum in thread banter tho :h:

PS Cubes list was correct., the point I was making was that Banito went after Cube for it.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance

Spacebanito posted:

Oh, and to whit, I didn't actually realize Cube's list came true, but upside-down. It's legit funny to me that everyone he said was towniest was, in fact, the scum team. That's kinda wild.

Anyway, I did not, in fact, go back to that list. It was based on Keane's weird emergence, Milli being nailed to the wall by EGalz, and Tate defending Milli in a way that felt like it could only be scum going to bat for scum.

Ultimately, Hal and Molly need to decide which is more likely: I'm scum who bussed the entirety of the scum team at a point where really there wasn't pressure on Taste, and Keane was only being mildly sussed upon, and then proceeded to push hard for Taste and Keane to both go...or that Yuming, who hasn't voted scum at any point in this game, didn't do anything to speak of to yeet any of the scum we got during the day(Since our first scum dead was a night kill...) is a godfather.
This doesn’t describe my play at all. I haven’t always been engaged in the game realtime between losing power for 3 day and back to school season but I’ve been after Keane since early game and I’ve been around to vote and give read.

Banito believed they were caught because of their flavor that’s why he’ bussed them imo

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
**reads

And them being Keane and taste.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
Except, I was on Keane before Egalz said anything about his flavor.

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
Just vote me, what else is gonna happen here :sparkles:

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
I mean, you're right, but also the ghost vote makes me kinda demotivated to put down a vote since it won't matter until after that point anyway

yuming
Feb 26, 2008

dance dance dance
Waiting for the dead is a losing proposition, especially when the there’s no deadline set.

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.
It is less specifically waiting for the dead, more just the malaise of votes not really mattering until the ghost vote comes in.

Ultimately you're right though, it isn't like my vote is going into Hal or Molly

##vote yuming

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

yeah, ##vote spacebanito

if im somehow wrong, hopefully we get another chance tomorrow, but this seems right to me

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

mollyohreally posted:

yeah, ##vote spacebanito

if im somehow wrong, hopefully we get another chance tomorrow, but this seems right to me

This is probably fair. I absolutely hope I'm right about the 1v1 being how it goes. I just hope the ghosts don't buy it when yuming insists it's Hal

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

yuming posted:

This doesn’t describe my play at all. I haven’t always been engaged in the game realtime between losing power for 3 day and back to school season but I’ve been after Keane since early game and I’ve been around to vote and give read.

Banito believed they were caught because of their flavor that’s why he’ bussed them imo

yep like
you didn't post a lot but you've been saying meaningful stuff when you do post.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

mollyohreally posted:

yep like
you didn't post a lot but you've been saying meaningful stuff when you do post.

Yeah that was my feel too

Also it only takes a cursory scan of yuming to see votes on taste, Keane and Milli I think, so it definitely feels like spacebanito was hoping we didn’t actually follow up on things

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

Hal Incandenza posted:

Yeah that was my feel too

Also it only takes a cursory scan of yuming to see votes on taste, Keane and Milli I think, so it definitely feels like spacebanito was hoping we didn’t actually follow up on things

I do think banito voted all of those folks at some point
but like
either not seriously, or not until it was inevitable

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Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

mollyohreally posted:

I do think banito voted all of those folks at some point
but like
either not seriously, or not until it was inevitable

You're wrong, especially with taste, who I was the first to vote on I'm pretty sure two separate cases.

And counter point, I don't recall yuming's votes on them, but that might be because they were empty votes without saying anything so it didn't stick in my mind. Truthfully I bought her being copped, so I didn't really pay attention to any reads on her at that point. My mistake I guess.

Ultimately, I don't blame you. My ease as a patsy is why I lived this long tbh. Just. Really consider whether you think I bussed taste, Milli and Keane with that callout of them plus one more as the scum team. Really, really think if that's more likely than yuming being a gf. Beyond that? I can't do anything more to help us win at this point.

Once this is said and done, I really do want to know why you didn't kill yuming. I'm guessing a miscalculation of mylo based on the ghost vote. But a professional curiosity is high

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