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CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

ObamaAkbar. posted:

Why do you want people to make town cases?

Because I don't want to fullclaim and hardpush JS today if I missed something.

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Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

He replaced in for AN

Josef why did you think Cube is town?

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

He as in Josef, I don't know why I thought I was still back a page

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

EGalz18 posted:

What is the tortoise's name, please?

Gamera, mostly called Gam

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Wolo dying suggests some info about resolution order, which is useful.

???

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

ObamaAkbar. posted:

I think this a dangerous thing to assume. Could be either or both of them is linked to the subconscious of a scum player

Yeah I wasn't clear. Maugrim played like a town, and so far Andy seems to be too.

That's why I'm thinking they are fine, not just based on setup stuff.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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JosefStalinator posted:

And probably never will be sadly

Are we ever gonna get night action reports or anything from anyone

no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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CapnAndy posted:

Sorry, quoted the first question immediately and din't see this one, so now y'all get a doublepost.

I'm a part of somebody's subconcious (I guess they got the good training from the movie that lets you do that). Yes, I know who. No, we can't communicate. I'm not sure if they know about me. I'm... not gonna tell you my victory condition five minutes (for me) into a game you guys have been playing for days, because that just seems prudent. Hunting scum is part of it, so I'm happy to focus on just that part until I have a better handle on what's going on and we've all built some trust.

okay. so the dream phantoms really are some kind of relation to (probably) the players that never entered the dream at all... weird. neat! weird.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Zoya posted:

no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them

interesting, this suggests that scum (probably) can't kill and dream, or maybe even take other actions

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Maerlyn posted:

He replaced in for AN

Josef why did you think Cube is town?

I'm starting to rethink it now

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
Cube seemed to actually be playing a bit and offering some pushes/speculation about the game, which he typically does as town

I will note that LATELY in other games he's been playing a lazier town game and been a bit offish as town, was wondering for a while if he was trying to build a new meta or something

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

CubicalSucrose posted:

Because I don't want to fullclaim and hardpush JS today if I missed something.

Oh well ok then, this partial claim that you have reason to think JS is scum is certainly a thing though

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer
I'm vanilla and I don't think i can ever be anything else so I'm dreaming to the end baybee

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
Can you real people choose to wake up? What would happen, I wonder. It's "still" day 2 down here but I bet they've moved on since then.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Hal Incandenza posted:

Oh well ok then, this partial claim that you have reason to think JS is scum is certainly a thing though

Well Zoya beat me to it.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

JosefStalinator posted:

interesting, this suggests that scum (probably) can't kill and dream, or maybe even take other actions

I'm pretty sure this correct, it's dream or act.

EGalz18
Aug 5, 2023

I LOVE WORDS. THAT'S ALL.

JosefStalinator posted:

interesting, this suggests that scum (probably) can't kill and dream, or maybe even take other actions

This has been posited, yes

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

This is new information at least. So your alignment is probably linked to whoever your partner is.

yeah, it's probably a solid bet that one of the phantoms (maug/capnandy/whoever we get tomorrow) won't be town

but this is good info we didn't have before so i'm very content to leave capnandy living his best deeper dream life

EGalz18
Aug 5, 2023

I LOVE WORDS. THAT'S ALL.

CapnAndy posted:

Can you real people choose to wake up? What would happen, I wonder. It's "still" day 2 down here but I bet they've moved on since then.

Reality thread "kicked" Molly awake from the train layer, but otherwise afaik, if we're asleep, we stay asleep

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

JosefStalinator posted:

I'm vanilla and I don't think i can ever be anything else so I'm dreaming to the end baybee

Does your PM not imply you might get powers if you go deeper or is this just pessimism from not getting anything yet

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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JosefStalinator posted:

interesting, this suggests that scum (probably) can't kill and dream, or maybe even take other actions

probably. it's kind of a fascinating idea that every dream level we probably shed a stab-happy scum, so every day if you get left behind you know there's probably a killer with you on that layer

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Hal Incandenza posted:

Oh well ok then, this partial claim that you have reason to think JS is scum is certainly a thing though

And it wasn't necessarily that JS was scum, but at worst JS would've been vanilla yet again so on another D1 with a really quick deadline, seemed like a good route to push.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

EGalz18 posted:

Reality thread "kicked" Molly awake from the train layer, but otherwise afaik, if we're asleep, we stay asleep

Do we have confirmation somewhere that the reality thread was responsible? That's quite interesting if so

EGalz18
Aug 5, 2023

I LOVE WORDS. THAT'S ALL.

EGalz18 posted:

Reality thread "kicked" Molly awake from the train layer, but otherwise afaik, if we're asleep, we stay asleep

I think the busy days might be coordinated Kick days to try to get back to Reality, but that's movie-based setup spec and should be given minimal credence

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Zoya posted:

probably. it's kind of a fascinating idea that every dream level we probably shed a stab-happy scum, so every day if you get left behind you know there's probably a killer with you on that layer

Yeah and those are small pools so I hope they are getting those scum! But also if so it seems like scum could coordinate and leave enough people behind at least early on to have vote control immediately

EGalz18
Aug 5, 2023

I LOVE WORDS. THAT'S ALL.

Hal Incandenza posted:

Do we have confirmation somewhere that the reality thread was responsible? That's quite interesting if so

Shwinn stole the flip post from the Reality thread. I don't know if he was supposed to, but it talked about the Kick action. Tokes or wins can come and MIB memory wipe us if we aren’t supposed to have seen it, I guess. PMuzz talked about it in Train thread and didn't seem to get wrist slapped

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Do we have confirmation somewhere that the reality thread was responsible? That's quite interesting if so

we do, but we probably weren't supposed to know. it was on the modpost of zzyzx's flip in the original thread, that they'd be voting to wake one of us up. cats out of the bag cuz we all saw it in the shuffle about what we were and weren't allowed to read, but mod intentions were probably for it to be a surprise mystery when molly suddenly woke up mid-thread

i wonder if the same thing will happen today? reality thread may or may not know who is in deep dream vs deeper dream so if they can wake someone up their selection pool would probably encompass both...?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CapnAndy posted:

Can you real people choose to wake up? What would happen, I wonder. It's "still" day 2 down here but I bet they've moved on since then.

We can only go deeper, no way to forceably wake ourselves up. At least, not yet.

Also, deeper layers of the dream experience time more slowly (That's from the movie flavor), so it's still somewhere in Day 2 up above.
-It's I suspect we are having shorter day/night cycles.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Hal Incandenza posted:

Does your PM not imply you might get powers if you go deeper or is this just pessimism from not getting anything yet

There's an if statement, but no indication I meet the requirement so I guess I'm very boring

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Hal Incandenza posted:

Do we have confirmation somewhere that the reality thread was responsible? That's quite interesting if so

Token Female posted:

mollyohreally has has woken up. They have disappeared from this game and must return to the reality thread. With 20 alive it takes 11 to vote someone out.

Unclear.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I missed the zyzzx extended flip, but I guess now I too have the forbidden knowledge

EGalz18
Aug 5, 2023

I LOVE WORDS. THAT'S ALL.

Hal Incandenza posted:

I missed the zyzzx extended flip, but I guess now I too have the forbidden knowledge

I'm sorry

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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SporkChan posted:

Also, deeper layers of the dream experience time more slowly

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

posting to bookmark I didn't see this opened already.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

CubicalSucrose posted:

So I think either:
- Kills happen earlier than going deeper.
- Scum can kill someone going deeper if they also are going deeper.
- (Something else I'm missing)

This doesn't seem super helpful I guess.

on what are you basing your information?

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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it's really hard not to feel like we're in an eternal D1 in this game

Zoya
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i guess the folks that don't go down a layer break free of that feeling, probably

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Everything at once
the evil step-son

This av has been socialized, viva la Revolución

CubicalSucrose posted:

Because I don't want to fullclaim and hardpush JS today if I missed something.

It's pretty hard to believe any claim without evidence of some kind, because fake claims are a big part of your scum strategy

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Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Maerlyn posted:

It's pretty hard to believe any claim without evidence of some kind, because fake claims are a big part of your scum strategy

he was (presumably) going to reveal the same thing i did

CubicalSucrose posted:

Well Zoya beat me to it.

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