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Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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aside from what i revealed for the benefit of town gaining knowledge that scum presumably had the whole time, i don't think it's a good idea to ever claim anything at all in this game (unless you stay behind in a layer)

in one sense, we're in D3 of a game right now. but in another very real sense, we're always in D1 unless we stay behind, where/when we can play "normal" mafia and get night results and corner scum more easily

this is a very weird setup and it's pretty wild to see it in action

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CubicalSucrose posted:

Because I don't want to fullclaim and hardpush JS today if I missed something.

I really don't understand this. What would you be claiming?

Because this:

Zoya posted:

no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them

CubicalSucrose posted:

Well Zoya beat me to it.

makes me think you are just going to claim that you have an action and JS doesn't, which somehow makes him worthy of being voted.


If I'm misunderstanding and you have some night action result I'd love to hear it. And to hear how you descended both nights but also got a result of any kind.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

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Zoya posted:

it's really hard not to feel like we're in an eternal D1 in this game


I hope town have some means of communicating outside the thread because if we follow the rules as instructed, we don't know if anyone was voted out on the other layers or if they were scum. It is hard to make reads on not the most current info.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

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Zoya posted:

he was (presumably) going to reveal the same thing i did

ah I suppose I should go back and actually read to see what else I missed

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Zoya posted:

aside from what i revealed for the benefit of town gaining knowledge that scum presumably had the whole time, i don't think it's a good idea to ever claim anything at all in this game (unless you stay behind in a layer)

in one sense, we're in D3 of a game right now. but in another very real sense, we're always in D1 unless we stay behind, where/when we can play "normal" mafia and get night results and corner scum more easily

this is a very weird setup and it's pretty wild to see it in action

1. This setup is weird, but awesome and I'm so happy I'm in the game.

2. Haven't we been assuming that 'dreaming' takes the place of a night action all game? I know someone mentioned that the killer of zzyzx must have stayed behind in 'reality' in order to do the kill in the Layer 1 thread.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Maerlyn posted:

I hope town have some means of communicating outside the thread because if we follow the rules as instructed, we don't know if anyone was voted out on the other layers or if they were scum. It is hard to make reads on not the most current info.

well, that's not our problem, is the way i see it. we're in a game with just the 13 14 of us, and until/unless someone yoinks one of us out of here, that's as far as it matters to us. obviously we don't just ignore everything that's happened prior to the [current dream] starting, but each layer's D1 is basically laying the groundwork for the people that are left behind to have enough information to catch and yeet whatever scum stayed on the layer with them. also, given the wording of a "busy wednesday/thursday" i'm guessing tomorrow will be a convergence of day endings or something?

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Maerlyn posted:

ah I suppose I should go back and actually read to see what else I missed

well, also,

SporkChan posted:

I really don't understand this. What would you be claiming?

Because this:

makes me think you are just going to claim that you have an action and JS doesn't, which somehow makes him worthy of being voted.

If I'm misunderstanding and you have some night action result I'd love to hear it. And to hear how you descended both nights but also got a result of any kind.

yeah i don't really understand what cube revealing the "you have to choose dream or action" info bit has anything to do with Josef. he framed the information weirdly, i'd like to know why

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Maerlyn posted:

on what are you basing your information?

I came to the same conclusion based on logic

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Zoya posted:

well, also,

yeah i don't really understand what cube revealing the "you have to choose dream or action" info bit has anything to do with Josef. he framed the information weirdly, i'd like to know why

Thirding this, I thought it weird in the moment and meant to say something too

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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SporkChan posted:

1. This setup is weird, but awesome and I'm so happy I'm in the game.

2. Haven't we been assuming that 'dreaming' takes the place of a night action all game? I know someone mentioned that the killer of zzyzx must have stayed behind in 'reality' in order to do the kill in the Layer 1 thread.

we've been assuming it but didn't know it explicitly. scum would have known it explicitly because theyve had a NK action all game, whereas (most of) town haven't had actions, some still don't

i thought it would be to town's general benefit to reveal it, since the action i got doesn't seem very critical so it wouldn't be a huge detriment if revealing i have an action got me killed or RB'd or something

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 1

xxxxxxxO CubicalSucrose (1): Maerlyn
xxxxxxxO Zoya (1): shwinnebego
xxxxxxxO JosefStalinator (1): CubicalSucrose


Not voting: CapnAndy, EGalz18, Hal Incandenza, JosefStalinator, kaschei, ObamaAkbar., Rhymes With Clue, SporkChan, Tired Moritz, Voodoofly, Zoya

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 07th, 2024 at noon EDT -- that's in about 21 hours, 57 minutes.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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i miss wologar :smithfrog:

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

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CapnAndy posted:

I'm here to help!

Tokes PMed me about playing but since I was on vacation from Wednesday to Sunday (GenCon, I had a blast), I couldn't play, but she said there was a role that wouldn't activate until later in the game, and I was like "yes, that please".

I bookmarked the main game so I could catch up when I got home but didn't actually read it, so imagine my surprise to learn there's multiple games going. Very Inception! I'm allowed to read the main game and the first dream up to a certain point, which I'll do over the course of today.

If you're allowed to read the main game are you allowed to pass on whatever happened in thread after D1 hammer (around page 35)?

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Maerlyn posted:

If you're allowed to read the main game are you allowed to pass on whatever happened in thread after D1 hammer (around page 35)?

He already said he can only read the D1 stuff from both threads same as us unfortunately

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Maerlyn posted:

If you're allowed to read the main game are you allowed to pass on whatever happened in thread after D1 hammer (around page 35)?

CapnAndy posted:

No, sorry. "A certain point" was meant to modify both "the main game" and "the first dream"; I've got cutout points on both.

And I just checked and my main thread cutout point is the end of N1. So I'm at the same point as you guys, I think -- that post did have the N1 results in it, I'm confirming if I'm allowed to know those. If I am and you guys don't know it, I'll tell you.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

:goofy:

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Zoya posted:

aside from what i revealed for the benefit of town gaining knowledge that scum presumably had the whole time, i don't think it's a good idea to ever claim anything at all in this game (unless you stay behind in a layer)

in one sense, we're in D3 of a game right now. but in another very real sense, we're always in D1 unless we stay behind, where/when we can play "normal" mafia and get night results and corner scum more easily

this is a very weird setup and it's pretty wild to see it in action
I'm staying!

Maybe that is one of the reason for dream players?

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

His what now?

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Maerlyn posted:

on what are you basing your information?

Wol dying and generally understanding how mafia works?

As someone who has to make a real decision tonight, it was very top of mind.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Hal Incandenza posted:

His what now?

JosefStalinator posted:

And probably never will be sadly

Are we ever gonna get night action reports or anything from anyone

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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SporkChan posted:


*Slight modification to Cube's posted votecount at day end.

Comparing that to the player count here we have the following posters:

- CapnAndy - Mystery
- CubicalSucrose - Poster #2
- Hal Incandenza - Poster #3
- Zoya - Poster #4
- shwinnebego - Poster #5
- Rhymes With Clue - Poster #6
- kaschei - Poster #8
- Voodoofly - Poster #9
- EGalz18 - Poster #10
- SporkChan - Poster #11
- Tired Moritz - Poster #13
- ObamaAkbar. - Poster #14
- JosefStalinator - Poster #16
- Maerlyn - Poster #17

Poster #1, wologar, was killed in the night.
I was told that there was only space for 13 players, ties broken by posting count.

Jose Valasquez had a spot and is not here.
PhantomMuzzles had a spot and is not here.

I'm also suspicious of both Josef and Maer for being here.

If JS were legit Vanilla this whole time they should've been posting more yesterday.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

what did i fish and where

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer
asking for night results is not role fishing hth

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
oh results fishing, okay, I guess but I dont see why people needed to say their roles to that rather than just be silent

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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CubicalSucrose posted:

If JS were legit Vanilla this whole time they should've been posting more yesterday.

i can't put my finger on why exactly but the way you're going about sussing josef today doesn't feel right

it feels like you're working backwards

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


I also gained an action, but won’t be full claiming. It seems to me that we might want to try to coordinate who goes another layer deep tomorrow

For today I shall assume scum on the tucker elimination and start by hunting among those of you who voted there

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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shwinnebego posted:

It seems to me that we might want to try to coordinate who goes another layer deep tomorrow

:goofy: :goofy: :goofy:

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

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Grimey Drawer

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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i really hate that post ##vote shwinne

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Zoya doesn’t like (1) the fact that I voted her and (2) the fact that I am encouraging town to think about who should stay behind, which her scum team is already doing

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

I also gained an action, but won’t be full claiming. It seems to me that we might want to try to coordinate who goes another layer deep tomorrow

For today I shall assume scum on the tucker elimination and start by hunting among those of you who voted there

I think the only coordinating we are going to be doing is trying to out-post the people we don't want there.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

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Grimey Drawer

SporkChan posted:

I think the only coordinating we are going to be doing is trying to out-post the people we don't want there.

It seems like more people gain powers and kind of naturally slough off as they choose to act instead of dream

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Zoya posted:

i really hate that post ##vote shwinne

Did I want to keep Shwinn before today? They were high-posting yesterday, I think, yeah?

Here's ~where I'm at right now, I think.

Scummier

JosefStalinator (He/him)
shwinnebego (he/him)
Tired Moritz

[default option] CapnAndy (he/him, will also accept "cis scum")

kaschei
Voodoofly (He/Him/Whatever)
ObamaAkbar. (He/him)
Rhymes With Clue
EGalz18 (She/Her)

Maerlyn (she/her)
Hal Incandenza (he/him/hal)
SporkChan (He/Him)
Zoya

Townier

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


SporkChan posted:

I think the only coordinating we are going to be doing is trying to out-post the people we don't want there.

We could also agree to have people not descend. Scum is doing this and we should at least consider it too

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

JosefStalinator posted:

It seems like more people gain powers and kind of naturally slough off as they choose to act instead of dream

Yes, but I don't think we are going to get people volunteering to stay behind or anything like that.

If group consensus was that you, Josef, should stay behind because you haven't gotten any powers yet, clearly you won't get any (or some reasoning), would you actually listen? I doubt I would.

Lower levels are where the fun is!

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

We could also agree to have people not descend. Scum is doing this and we should at least consider it too

We don't know that.

For all we know scum have all been descending and each kill we've been told about was a town night vig.

Even if they've been leaving one behind each day, the scum density has been increasing as we go down layers.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Yes but scum can talk about these matters and try to strategize about who uses the dream machine to descend, who kills, who makes sure to hit a high post count etc

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


My opinion about this is so uncontroversially and self evidently correct that I swear anyone who disagrees has to be scum lol

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Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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shwinnebego posted:

Zoya doesn’t like (1) the fact that I voted her and (2) the fact that I am encouraging town to think about who should stay behind, which her scum team is already doing

no, i don't like that you want to publicly coordinate town actions, telling scum exactly who to kill

yes, scum can guess that the player with the highest post count probably won't be taking an action other than dreaming, but if i say "aha, yes, i will be staying behind" then they know that i will be taking [some action] and it's in scum's best interests to prevent town from taking actions since they don't know if it's a cop, a doc, a vig, whatever

wologar was a very weird kill choice, for that matter, but it's not really worth thinking about too hard because that's what the "deep dream" team have to figure out today without us

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