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Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town

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Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Zoya posted:

i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town

maf edit: loudest voices *, not votes

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

My opinion about this is so uncontroversially and self evidently correct that I swear anyone who disagrees has to be scum lol

What Zoya said. Town coordination is more likely to give info to scum, unless town can box all the scum in. That doesn't seem likely on what is basically a D1 where no one has any results to start the boxing process.

So if we attempt to coordinate I think all we do is compile a target list for the scums.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Tricky deadline, I should be able to be around for at least an hour beforehand.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Zoya posted:

i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town

Even this post is more defensive than town zoya

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Zoya posted:

no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them

I can confirm this as well.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

I think most of us are going to be PRs as long as we keep dreaming

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing?

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

shwinnebego posted:

We could also agree to have people not descend. Scum is doing this and we should at least consider it too

shwinnebego posted:

Yes but scum can talk about these matters and try to strategize about who uses the dream machine to descend, who kills, who makes sure to hit a high post count etc

SporkChan posted:

We don't know that.

For all we know scum have all been descending and each kill we've been told about was a town night vig.

Even if they've been leaving one behind each day, the scum density has been increasing as we go down layers.
Fixating on scum gameplay decisions is, to me, WIFOM to a borderline dangerous level. We don't know what they're doing, we don't know why, we don't know any mechanics that might impel them. We know posts and night action results, and not very much of the latter, it seems. We should be focusing there.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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What are the chances that CaptAndy is a traitor and will flip if scum gets low

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

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AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Zoya posted:

okay. so the dream phantoms really are some kind of relation to (probably) the players that never entered the dream at all... weird. neat! weird.

I interpreted the cannot communicate part as they don’t have a masonry together but them being in the other thread makes more sense

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Tired Moritz posted:

What are the chances that CaptAndy is a traitor and will flip if scum gets low
0% unless you want to bet the extremely outside chance that my dreamer has this mechanic and I was not informed of the possibility of my win condition changing in the role PM.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Tired Moritz posted:

Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing?

I dreamt

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
mafia edit: I'll neither confirm or deny that my dreamer is on this level, it is potentially dangerous information. Don't assume either way.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Flips sides*

Worse case scenario, if there are scum in all the threads and they all get killed, this game would end pretty quickly. And the same thing for town, if town keeps getting ML'd, that would effectively mean that town dies at an excessively faster rate?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Tired Moritz posted:

Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing?

i think it's pretty obvious -- it's not "the top 10 posters go a layer down", it's "10 people can go a layer down, and if more than 10 sign up top posters get priority"

i can see people staying behind intentionally even beyond doing so because they had a night action to perform

maer's self-sacrifice offer from yesterday remains weird, though

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Tired Moritz posted:

Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing

:goofy:

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CubicalSucrose posted:

And it wasn't necessarily that JS was scum, but at worst JS would've been vanilla yet again so on another D1 with a really quick deadline, seemed like a good route to push.

I’m lost

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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If CaptAndy is really town then scum probably knew maug is probably town as well? Wouldnt it be more strategic for scum to stay back than move up because the thread itself would effectively self cull its players for them?

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Tired Moritz posted:

Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing
It's entirely possible that both town and scum were seeded with trained subconciousnesses when the game began, and who shows up where is dependent on who goes how deep.

Like, to be clear, I'm not here randomly! I'm the subconcious of a specific player, I wasn't sat at the second level and told to wait.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Can we decide if dreaming successfully means "going a layer up" or "going a layer down"? So confusing.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

It's entirely possible that both town and scum were seeded with trained subconciousnesses when the game began, and who shows up where is dependent on who goes how deep.

Like, to be clear, I'm not here randomly! I'm the subconcious of a specific player, I wasn't sat at the second level and told to wait.

Oh then if the other player never dreamt or got killed before you can play, then what?

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Tired Moritz posted:

If CaptAndy is really town then scum probably knew maug is probably town as well? Wouldnt it be more strategic for scum to stay back than move up because the thread itself would effectively self cull its players for them?

scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Tired Moritz posted:

Can we decide if dreaming successfully means "going a layer up" or "going a layer down"? So confusing.

it's going a layer down

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Zoya posted:

scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels

presumably is a big IF though.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Tired Moritz posted:

Oh then if the other player never dreamt or got killed before you can play, then what?
Maybe I never play? Maybe the mods are keeping a list of people on standby to be constructs, I was at the top of it, and I'd have been brought in as the subconcious of the next person to dream instead? I don't know.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Tired Moritz posted:

presumably is a big IF though.

well check your role PM and let us know for sure then

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Zoya posted:

well check your role PM and let us know for sure then

boooooo

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

Maybe I never play? Maybe the mods are keeping a list of people on standby to be constructs, I was at the top of it, and I'd have been brought in as the subconcious of the next person to dream instead? I don't know.

mmmmmmmm, honestly not a satisfying answer but I guess theres no need to pursue this at this time anyway. I dont think mods would be dumping scum in the thread at random.

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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this is a very short day, i don't think it's fruitful to spin our wheels setup speccing about the dream-only players aside from "one of them is probably scum" (either maug, captandy, or whoever we'll see in the next layer). i also don't think it makes any sense to vote them on D1 of whatever layer they appear on anyway -- we have far more info about the rest of us. let the non-dreamers of each layer sort them out

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HISBol9014A

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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Zoya posted:

this is a very short day, i don't think it's fruitful to spin our wheels setup speccing about the dream-only players aside from "one of them is probably scum" (either maug, captandy, or whoever we'll see in the next layer). i also don't think it makes any sense to vote them on D1 of whatever layer they appear on anyway -- we have far more info about the rest of us. let the non-dreamers of each layer sort them out

oh, it's not quite as short as i thought, i thought it was a 12hr day. 20.5 hour deadline currently. doesn't change my thinking, though

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
Lots of weird sussing of me this game, but wolo was wrongtown. Are cube and RWC also wrongtown?

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Zoya posted:

scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels

The incentive only needs to be that they can kill in each thread, and the deeper down they go the more nights they get to kill in. They also probably get powers the deeper down they go just like us

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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funny thought just occurred to me -- probably not relevant because this town so fiercely believes in ACAB that we yeeted the cop and the backup cop back to back d1 and d2 -- but if someone is a cop, and uses their night action on a scum that dreams, the cop is then left in the prior layer KNOWING who scum is but not being able to do anything about it because said scum is in a deeper layer, out of their grasp

so even for the non-dreamers, night results may not be actionable... this is such a weird game i love it

Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

you don't have any thoughts on shwinne's insanely anti-town "lets all publicly coordinate who will and won't dream" idea?

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Zoya posted:

you don't have any thoughts on shwinne's insanely anti-town "lets all publicly coordinate who will and won't dream" idea?

I immediately moved them to 2nd scummiest on my Lumpenlist.

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Zoya
Jun 12, 2023

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CubicalSucrose posted:

I immediately moved them to 2nd scummiest on my Lumpenlist.

fair

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