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i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town
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Zoya posted:i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town maf edit: loudest voices *, not votes
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shwinnebego posted:My opinion about this is so uncontroversially and self evidently correct that I swear anyone who disagrees has to be scum lol What Zoya said. Town coordination is more likely to give info to scum, unless town can box all the scum in. That doesn't seem likely on what is basically a D1 where no one has any results to start the boxing process. So if we attempt to coordinate I think all we do is compile a target list for the scums.
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Zoya posted:i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town Even this post is more defensive than town zoya
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Zoya posted:no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them I can confirm this as well.
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Aug 6, 2024 19:56
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CubicalSucrose posted:JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer. I think most of us are going to be PRs as long as we keep dreaming
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Aug 6, 2024 20:02
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Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing?
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shwinnebego posted:We could also agree to have people not descend. Scum is doing this and we should at least consider it too shwinnebego posted:Yes but scum can talk about these matters and try to strategize about who uses the dream machine to descend, who kills, who makes sure to hit a high post count etc SporkChan posted:We don't know that.
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What are the chances that CaptAndy is a traitor and will flip if scum gets low
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Zoya posted:okay. so the dream phantoms really are some kind of relation to (probably) the players that never entered the dream at all... weird. neat! weird. I interpreted the cannot communicate part as they don’t have a masonry together but them being in the other thread makes more sense
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Tired Moritz posted:What are the chances that CaptAndy is a traitor and will flip if scum gets low
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Aug 6, 2024 20:09
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Tired Moritz posted:Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing? I dreamt
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mafia edit: I'll neither confirm or deny that my dreamer is on this level, it is potentially dangerous information. Don't assume either way.
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Flips sides* Worse case scenario, if there are scum in all the threads and they all get killed, this game would end pretty quickly. And the same thing for town, if town keeps getting ML'd, that would effectively mean that town dies at an excessively faster rate?
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Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing
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Tired Moritz posted:Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing? i think it's pretty obvious -- it's not "the top 10 posters go a layer down", it's "10 people can go a layer down, and if more than 10 sign up top posters get priority" i can see people staying behind intentionally even beyond doing so because they had a night action to perform maer's self-sacrifice offer from yesterday remains weird, though
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Tired Moritz posted:Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing 
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CubicalSucrose posted:And it wasn't necessarily that JS was scum, but at worst JS would've been vanilla yet again so on another D1 with a really quick deadline, seemed like a good route to push. I’m lost
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If CaptAndy is really town then scum probably knew maug is probably town as well? Wouldnt it be more strategic for scum to stay back than move up because the thread itself would effectively self cull its players for them?
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Tired Moritz posted:Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing Like, to be clear, I'm not here randomly! I'm the subconcious of a specific player, I wasn't sat at the second level and told to wait.
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Can we decide if dreaming successfully means "going a layer up" or "going a layer down"? So confusing.
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CapnAndy posted:It's entirely possible that both town and scum were seeded with trained subconciousnesses when the game began, and who shows up where is dependent on who goes how deep. Oh then if the other player never dreamt or got killed before you can play, then what?
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Tired Moritz posted:If CaptAndy is really town then scum probably knew maug is probably town as well? Wouldnt it be more strategic for scum to stay back than move up because the thread itself would effectively self cull its players for them? scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels
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Tired Moritz posted:Can we decide if dreaming successfully means "going a layer up" or "going a layer down"? So confusing. it's going a layer down
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Zoya posted:scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels presumably is a big IF though.
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Tired Moritz posted:Oh then if the other player never dreamt or got killed before you can play, then what?
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Tired Moritz posted:presumably is a big IF though. well check your role PM and let us know for sure then
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Zoya posted:well check your role PM and let us know for sure then boooooo
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CapnAndy posted:Maybe I never play? Maybe the mods are keeping a list of people on standby to be constructs, I was at the top of it, and I'd have been brought in as the subconcious of the next person to dream instead? I don't know. mmmmmmmm, honestly not a satisfying answer but I guess theres no need to pursue this at this time anyway. I dont think mods would be dumping scum in the thread at random.
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this is a very short day, i don't think it's fruitful to spin our wheels setup speccing about the dream-only players aside from "one of them is probably scum" (either maug, captandy, or whoever we'll see in the next layer). i also don't think it makes any sense to vote them on D1 of whatever layer they appear on anyway -- we have far more info about the rest of us. let the non-dreamers of each layer sort them out
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CubicalSucrose posted:JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HISBol9014A
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Zoya posted:this is a very short day, i don't think it's fruitful to spin our wheels setup speccing about the dream-only players aside from "one of them is probably scum" (either maug, captandy, or whoever we'll see in the next layer). i also don't think it makes any sense to vote them on D1 of whatever layer they appear on anyway -- we have far more info about the rest of us. let the non-dreamers of each layer sort them out oh, it's not quite as short as i thought, i thought it was a 12hr day. 20.5 hour deadline currently. doesn't change my thinking, though
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Lots of weird sussing of me this game, but wolo was wrongtown. Are cube and RWC also wrongtown?
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ObamaAkbar. posted:I’m lost Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today. 1) I have thought JS scummy since D1. 2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School). 3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train). 4) Short day. 5) JS asked for results today. 6) I haven't fully reread the previous days. JS asking about results suggests something like one of: A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?). B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info. Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing). Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.
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Zoya posted:scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels The incentive only needs to be that they can kill in each thread, and the deeper down they go the more nights they get to kill in. They also probably get powers the deeper down they go just like us
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funny thought just occurred to me -- probably not relevant because this town so fiercely believes in ACAB that we yeeted the cop and the backup cop back to back d1 and d2 -- but if someone is a cop, and uses their night action on a scum that dreams, the cop is then left in the prior layer KNOWING who scum is but not being able to do anything about it because said scum is in a deeper layer, out of their grasp so even for the non-dreamers, night results may not be actionable... this is such a weird game i love it
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CubicalSucrose posted:Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today. you don't have any thoughts on shwinne's insanely anti-town "lets all publicly coordinate who will and won't dream" idea?
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Zoya posted:you don't have any thoughts on shwinne's insanely anti-town "lets all publicly coordinate who will and won't dream" idea? I immediately moved them to 2nd scummiest on my Lumpenlist.
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CubicalSucrose posted:I immediately moved them to 2nd scummiest on my Lumpenlist. fair
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