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Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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yeah I agree that schwinne's plan is pretty bad and I cant imagine how you would want to do that in a townie perspective

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Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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##vote schwinne

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:49

wins32767: Mar 16, 2007

Votecount for Day 1

xxxxxxOO shwinnebego (2): Zoya, Tired Moritz
xxxxxxxO CubicalSucrose (1): Maerlyn
xxxxxxxO Zoya (1): shwinnebego
xxxxxxxO JosefStalinator (1): CubicalSucrose

Not voting: CapnAndy, EGalz18, Hal Incandenza, JosefStalinator, kaschei, ObamaAkbar., Rhymes With Clue, SporkChan, Voodoofly

With 14 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 07th, 2024 at noon EDT -- that's in about 20 hours, 10 minutes.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:49

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

did anyone post the postcount of the first thread prior to our exit? and the postcount of the 2nd thread prior to our exit? do we have those archived prior to players continuing to post in them muddying the waters? having a thought i don't know if i should say outloud but can't find a screenshot in the previous thread of postcounts from the first thread

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:50

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

found it, posting here for my own reference / y'alls -- it was spork both times, ty spork

SporkChan posted:

This was the post count at end of D1, with numerical rankings of everyone's post counts. (Josef subbed in for ANarc, but ANarc never posted, so Josef's count stands alone.)

SporkChan posted:

*Slight modification to Cube's posted votecount at day end.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:52

Maerlyn: Jun 29, 2003; Everything at once
the evil step-son

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

I was hoping you weren�t allowed to read the other threads. Seems maugrim was able to as well which seems odd if you are a dream only entity.

This phrase irks me, since the player (the addition) being just as uninformed as us is a boon to scum

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:52

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

Tired Moritz posted:

yeah I agree that schwinne's plan is pretty bad and I cant imagine how you would want to do that in a townie perspective

It kinda reminds me of that game with scumcube (can�t remember which) where he kept coming out with blatantly terrible plans for town to coordinate. Obviously schwinn�s meta isn�t the same so I�m not 100% sure what to make of it

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:54

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

Maerlyn posted:

This phrase irks me, since the player (the addition) being just as uninformed as us is a boon to scum

The reason I wanted them to not have read the thread is so they couldn�t just ape what maugrim posted

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:55

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

N1 scum chose to kill a low postcount player, N2 scum chose to kill the highest postcount player

i'm wondering what they learned in between N1 and N2 to compel them to change their strategy like that

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:55

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

Zoya posted:

N1 scum chose to kill a low postcount player, N2 scum chose to kill the highest postcount player

i'm wondering what they learned in between N1 and N2 to compel them to change their strategy like that

Could be scum wanted to ensure one of their players got into the next layer? I know that kinda implicates me but with pmuzz and Jose also not going down could be for Josef or Maerlyn

# ? Aug 6, 2024 20:59

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

ObamaAkbar. posted:

Could be scum wanted to ensure one of their players got into the next layer? I know that kinda implicates me but with pmuzz and Jose also not going down could be for Josef or Maerlyn

i was thinking that maybe the "if you are someone with imagination" bit in our role PMs meant that higher postcount = better night action, and scum figured that out, and merc'd wolo for it... but on checking the older postcounts, it doesn't really make sense. i was third highest postcount in the first thread, and wound up VT in the 2nd thread. i didn't want to voice this thought outloud incase scum hadn't thought of it, but on thinking further i'm pretty sure it's not actually how it works, otherwise i probably would have had an action in the first dream. and wolo was 2nd highest postcount in the first thread, but flipped VT, so that's double confirmation it doesn't...

waait a minute, shwinne was top postcount in the first thread. wolo was top postcount in the 2nd thread, but is dead. did shwinne get a special shiny prize for being top postcount? and then scum killed wolo to prevent him from getting it??

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:08

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

Anyway I reread Maerlyn and I�m pretty confident I�m not just tunnelling here. This sequence of events in the first thread confirmed it for me:

Maerlyn goes from this position after town reading Meen most of the day

Maerlyn posted:

I won't vote Meen today

If I thought it would actually go somewhere I'd vote Tom but I doubt it would gain traction, also it may just be OMGUS but his reply to my post didn't make me feel much better about his towniness (I tell Tom his case is wrong and why and he doubles down, but maybe that's town Tom? Idk but I'm tired of beating that dead horse).

##vote Egalz for reasons I stated plus RWC wrote a good couple of posts

Preview edit: my read on Zoya has soured a bit since she isn't participating beyond calling molly scum so would possibly vote there too.

To this position very shortly afterwards after seeing the tide going that way

Maerlyn posted:

Reading Meen:

If scum were given fake role cards yes this looks bad (using particular code words to make it appear like he's VT, I don't know if scum Meen does this though?)

Posts about movies (mentally I was saying "movies movies movies" after each post then got to:)

I wasn't a fan of this then or now, but I need to see what was being discussed around then... Had VT-gate started yet?

Maerlyn posted:

did you forget you claimed VT?

##vote Meen

This was also after scum reading molly (the other vote leader) most of the day too. Really feels like scum helping to secure the miselim.

None of mae�s posts in this or the last thread have convinced me I�m incorrect here either.

Not our issue right now but a mae scumflip would also make me very suspect on molly�s alignment too

##vote mae

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:08

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

Zoya posted:

waait a minute, shwinne was top postcount in the first thread. wolo was top postcount in the 2nd thread, but is dead. did shwinne get a special shiny prize for being top postcount? and then scum killed wolo to prevent him from getting it??

that would leave cube with the highest (alive) postcount...

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:11

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

CapnAndy posted:

mafia edit: I'll neither confirm or deny that my dreamer is on this level, it is potentially dangerous information. Don't assume either way.

Okay, I was going to ask this, it seems like this information might help us, but right, no assuptions.

Although we have to make some assumptions.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:12

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

CUBE, SHWINNE, EXPLAIN YOURSELVES OR FACE MY BLADE, BLAGGARDS

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:12

shwinnebego: Jul 11, 2002

CONFIRMED TOWN
[*]shwinnebego (he/him)

CLAIMED 3P
[*]CapnAndy (he/him, will also accept "cis scum")

TOWN READS, ROUGHLY IN ORDER OF STRONGEST TOWN READ TO WEAKEST

[*]ObamaAkbar. (He/him): I have found scumObama's posts in the past to have a dodgier vibe, and for him to be more aloof and less engaged as scum. I think Obama is very likely town this game.

[*]EGalz18 (She/Her): After attracting hella sus Day 1 (largely for being lurky), EGalz has posted well. I think she's likely town, and I think there were scum pushing her D1.

[*]SporkChan (He/Him): Spork's posts have been good since Day 1 in my opinion. Other people I read as townie, especially yuming, have sussed him consistently but none of the cases have resonated with me.

[*]Maerlyn (she/her): Maerlyn's posts/cases have been fine this game, and she is at least attempting to hunt scum consistently. None of her opinions strike me as contrived or fake.

[*]JosefStalinator (He/him): Stalin has been posting fine this game, and I have no pings on him. Leaning town

[*]Rhymes With Clue: I sussed Rhymes on a weak breadcrumb D1 case, and her response to that (admittedly very weak) case was pretty defensive. She's been *fine* since, but not amazing. Would like to see more scumhunting.

SCUM LEAN (no particular order)

[*]Voodoofly (He/Him/Whatever): This is just a vibe. I think that there's a certain mode of sincerity that Voodoo attempts while scumposting that is just ever so slightly put on and a bit too on the nose. I'm getting a whiff of that this game

[*]CubicalSucrose: I am increasingly persuaded that Cube is not really hunting scum, after reading today

[*]Tired Moritz: At a minimum doing almost nothing to help town.

[*]kaschei: I have disliked kaschei's posting all game. Reeks of scumminess overall to me. Must revisit vote patterns.

[*]Hal Incandenza (he/him/hal): Affable/engaged Hal is scum Hal

[*]Zoya[/list=1]: Zoya has been defensive, reactive, and prickly all game. Town Zoya is none of those things.

I would vote any of my scum-reads.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:14

shwinnebego: Jul 11, 2002

Zoya posted:

CUBE, SHWINNE, EXPLAIN YOURSELVES OR FACE MY BLADE, BLAGGARDS

what's your question?

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:17

SporkChan: Oct 20, 2010; One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Zoya posted:

i was thinking that maybe the "if you are someone with imagination" bit in our role PMs meant that higher postcount = better night action, and scum figured that out, and merc'd wolo for it... but on checking the older postcounts, it doesn't really make sense. i was third highest postcount in the first thread, and wound up VT in the 2nd thread. i didn't want to voice this thought outloud incase scum hadn't thought of it, but on thinking further i'm pretty sure it's not actually how it works, otherwise i probably would have had an action in the first dream. and wolo was 2nd highest postcount in the first thread, but flipped VT, so that's double confirmation it doesn't...

waait a minute, shwinne was top postcount in the first thread. wolo was top postcount in the 2nd thread, but is dead. did shwinne get a special shiny prize for being top postcount? and then scum killed wolo to prevent him from getting it??

My assumption has been either 1 of 2 options:

1. Everyone was given a slot randomly at the very beginning of this game. These slots had predetermined powers at various dream layers. So you, Zoya, would always have been given a power at Layer 2 and if you just never descended that far? No power for you.
2. Each layer has a predetermined power distribution which is randomized amongst the player who descend to that layer. So if you didn't descend to Layer 2, some other player would have gotten the power you got.

This isn't helpful for finding scum, but I really can't seem to help myself theorizing how this game works.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:18

JosefStalinator: Oct 9, 2007; Come Tbilisi if you want to live.; Grimey Drawer

CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

Why would capt andy be a viable alternative to me

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:19

shwinnebego: Jul 11, 2002

CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

this post makes no sense

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:23

SporkChan: Oct 20, 2010; One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything, but the disconnect is making my brain hurt.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:24

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

JosefStalinator posted:

Lots of weird sussing of me this game, but wolo was wrongtown. Are cube and RWC also wrongtown?

Scummy post. Like you know I (and Cube?) are town. Town is wrong all the time. Looks like a perspecive slip.

##vote JosefStalinator

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:28

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

Oh hey, see my post above. I am reading this therad in order, not starting at the end and going back.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:30

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

SporkChan posted:

I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything, but the disconnect is making my brain hurt.

same boat

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:30

shwinnebego: Jul 11, 2002

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Scummy post. Like you know I (and Cube?) are town. Town is wrong all the time. Looks like a perspecive slip.

##vote JosefStalinator

good catch ##vote JosefStalinator

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:30

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

shwinnebego posted:

good catch ##vote JosefStalinator

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:30

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

Zoya posted:

... this is such a weird game i love it

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:30

shwinnebego: Jul 11, 2002

SporkChan posted:

I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything, but the disconnect is making my brain hurt.

yes there is a strikingly low level of agreement in this game. i kinda think that scum's high absolute numbers set the stage for that during (real) D1 because scum could likely distribute their in-thread suss across a lot of targets in a way that would make it harder for town to consolidate

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:32

shwinnebego: Jul 11, 2002

Zoya posted:

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:32

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

shwinnebego posted:

I also gained an action, but won�t be full claiming. It seems to me that we might want to try to coordinate who goes another layer deep tomorrow

For today I shall assume scum on the tucker elimination and start by hunting among those of you who voted there

I will look at that too, although I don't know if it's at all helpful. Something might jump out,

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:33

Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

I can see the logic but I rather vote for scum. whats the case on JS

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:35

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

Cube
Zoya
Obama
Hal
==========
Right now those are players I would not vote. No, not even to avoid a no-lynch.

I'm getting a bit alarmed as if we get the wrong person, and people in the other layers also get the wrong person, town could go down really fast.

If we all get the right players scum could also go down really fast but they have a huge knowledge advantage.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:36

Rhymes With Clue: Nov 18, 2010; A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

Oh, I would like to know how you demonstrate imagination.

I suppose if I had imagination I would know how to do this.

I guess y'all can take this as a VT claim.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:37

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

Cube�s posting is so bad I�m almost reluctant to scum read him. Is this just the result of him padding his post count?

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:40

JosefStalinator: Oct 9, 2007; Come Tbilisi if you want to live.; Grimey Drawer

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Scummy post. Like you know I (and Cube?) are town. Town is wrong all the time. Looks like a perspecive slip.

##vote JosefStalinator

what

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:41

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

SporkChan posted:

I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything, but the disconnect is making my brain hurt.

For sure this is a strange game, I�ve never seen so many posters have such opposite reads to each other

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:41

JosefStalinator: Oct 9, 2007; Come Tbilisi if you want to live.; Grimey Drawer

How is speculating about alignment scummy thats the entire point of this game

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:42

JosefStalinator: Oct 9, 2007; Come Tbilisi if you want to live.; Grimey Drawer

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Scummy post. Like you know I (and Cube?) are town. Town is wrong all the time. Looks like a perspecive slip.

##vote JosefStalinator

walk me through how this is a slip

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:42

ObamaAkbar.: Apr 7, 2009; DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13

Those hard town reading cube or mae can you maybe explain your thought process there?

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:44

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Maerlyn: Jun 29, 2003; Everything at once
the evil step-son

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Tired Moritz posted:

Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing?

I have nothing better to do than keep dreaming (I have no other actions). Y tu?

I'm curious about what happens when we die. I notice Meen/zzyzx/Tom aren't spoiled so maybe there's some non death limbo we don't know about. Also the longer I last in these games the more frustrated and lurky I get.

# ? Aug 6, 2024 21:44

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