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fool of sound posted:also reminder that you can earn a fish by posting a fish that nobody else has thought of in your confessional. that is more town fish than scum fish, which i assume matters in some way. I picked a variety of Trout. No one else pick a Trout please.
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SporkChan posted:The best thing to do with vigs after killing scum is to kill town? No. This assumes that the bottom-most posting player is absolutely guaranteed to be town. Which, hmm.. no? I don't see why I should assume that will always be true? It certainly wouldn't be guaranteed if this plan were dropped, then scum could hang out in the bushes and wait for town to snipe each other.
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SporkChan posted:The best thing to do with vigs after killing scum is to kill town? No. lol at this post from this poster.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:This assumes that the bottom-most posting player is absolutely guaranteed to be town. Which, hmm.. no? I don't see why I should assume that will always be true? It certainly wouldn't be guaranteed if this plan were dropped, then scum could hang out in the bushes and wait for town to snipe each other. I know scum Iggy loves to lurk but that is not the universal strategy and I doubt it's even the most common one.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:You have 3 scum reads, one of them dies by rising lava and flips town after another scrambled hard at deadline to avoid the lava. Are you going to sit there and tell me that that means nothing at all and the person who didn't react to the lava is still equally suspicious to the player who panicked? Eh, self-preservation is not alignment indicative. Townies with important roles are just as motivated to avoid the snipe as anyone else.
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Feb 7, 2025 20:24
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mollyohreally posted:hm. fos is actually playing kinda towny. ##unvote for now Pinged by molly's posts.
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Addendum to the reply to Iggy: That also seems to assume your top scum reads are at the bottom of the posting pile, which seems a bit presumptuous. What if the bottom few posters are all townreads? Why would I be happy about the plan in that situation, regardless of whether I'm among them or not?
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Feb 7, 2025 20:27
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Zoya posted:Aroo?! Truly I am loved 
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Maugrim posted:Maybe the plan can be out there encouraging people to post and then yuming can decide if she actually acts on it or not on a given night. Unfortunately if she has the leeway to decide whether or not she uses it this way and scum kill her, that's a weak but still arguable get out of jail free card for her would-be target. Not to mention if she decides not to use it and then later that player gets voted out anyway and flips scum, that then opens up the question of whether she just had a wrong read or if she's scum with them. There are no questions like that if she always uses the power under my proposal instead. Either I get to the thread, they're not dead, and then I/yuming accept the consequences if it's not a catch, or they flip scum and everyone but the scumteam cheers. I'll probably give time for (if yuming's alive) yuming to confirm her action succeeded and any last words from the player in question or anyone who might have crucial info to appear before shooting 'em.
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CubicalSucrose posted:lol at this post from this poster. Right!? When I'm arguing restraint on the vigs, maybe it means something. (Like I didn't get any  )
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Feb 7, 2025 20:45
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Aroo! Aroo aroooooo!!!
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Addendum to the reply to Iggy: That also seems to assume your top scum reads are at the bottom of the posting pile, which seems a bit presumptuous. What if the bottom few posters are all townreads? Why would I be happy about the plan in that situation, regardless of whether I'm among them or not? There is no believable scenario from my perspective where I townread all of the three bottom-most posters on D1. Not even after the flip. If you really want to explore this though, wherein the bottom most player is toal, and the next two players have 50 posts each that feel natural and like they're playing, sure, that's a D1 which, if we were in the land of milk and honey and neverending warm but not hot summer, could if experienced result in me being fine with us both withholding. We are not in that land. For starters, we don't have toal in here, nor anyone else who like her is stubborn unto death wrt not posting. Secondly, you and I both know that there is no way the bottom most posters will have even that many posts.
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Feb 7, 2025 21:06
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I suggest you take the bottom three posters and then pick the one who has posted the least substance, what I am trying to say is u should kill maugrim
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Feb 7, 2025 21:07
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Frankly, even when I lurk like mad as town, I know I'm taking my life in my hands and it's not wrong to sus me for it. I would take loving up a game and dying to lava on the chin, easy. Skill issue, not a fault with the general intent of it.
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shwinnebego posted:I suggest you take the bottom three posters and then pick the one who has posted the least substance, what I am trying to say is u should kill maugrim I'll keep it in mind if I have the opportunity and the fish to spare for sure.
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So the general problem I think is that I think this plan just doesn't have positive overall results for town. Like scum would love this plan, it basically amounts to "all we have to do is not be at the bottom of the pile every day and Iggy will give us a free extra kill every night". Like, are there positive effects in terms of making people post more content? Yeah maybe but I'm not convinced that makes it worth it, or for that matter that any new content is so easily analyzed that its mere presence makes us more likely to find scum.shwinnebego posted:I suggest you take the bottom three posters and then pick the one who has posted the least substance, what I am trying to say is u should kill maugrim I have no particular opinions on Maugrim but at least this is a plan that involves making some reads on content.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:So the general problem I think is that I think this plan just doesn't have positive overall results for town. Like scum would love this plan, it basically amounts to "all we have to do is not be at the bottom of the pile every day and Iggy will give us a free extra kill every night". Like, are there positive effects in terms of making people post more content? Yeah maybe but I'm not convinced that makes it worth it, or for that matter that any new content is so easily analyzed that its mere presence makes us more likely to find scum. Scum are eventually going to run out of people that have lower posts than their usual and will, in fact, have to stand out to avoid falling prey to it. The only way this actually doesn't change scum behavior is if you think there are people who are naturally active scum in this game, which you're gonna need to substantiate if you think it's likely.
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The secondary factor for this whole idea is that so long as yuming does nothing, she's got the same amount of WIFOM around her that a claimed vanilla player would in this setup. Instead, we can know that she's exactly where she said she'd be every night, generally speaking. That means we can spend more time with a smaller pool of suspicion to work on and talk about.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Scum are eventually going to run out of people that have lower posts than their usual and will, in fact, have to stand out to avoid falling prey to it. How sure are you that this is before MYLO? Ignatius M. Meen posted:The only way this actually doesn't change scum behavior is if you think there are people who are naturally active scum in this game, which you're gonna need to substantiate if you think it's likely. The current plan relies on them being naturally inactive. Don't you think that needs substantiating too? For the record I don't know which is more likely to be case, but I'm not happy betting the game on it being one over the other.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:The secondary factor for this whole idea is that so long as yuming does nothing, she's got the same amount of WIFOM around her that a claimed vanilla player would in this setup. Instead, we can know that she's exactly where she said she'd be every night, generally speaking. That means we can spend more time with a smaller pool of suspicion to work on and talk about. Make that more WIFOM than a claimed vanilla player since the question would always be "sure she says she's just never gonna shoot anyone but how do we know she's not just waiting to spring it on us right before ELO?"
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:How sure are you that this is before MYLO? My experience with SA meta is that the number of naturally inactive/less active scum fantastically outweighs the number of naturally active scum. It should seriously be a priori obvious that it's much easier to play scum when nobody's looking at you than it is when you're constantly drawing attention to yourself. Less posts mean less content to catch people's attention, and less attention means less interference and chance of being voted. I can count the number of people here I'd believe to handle this well as scum on one hand. Yami, hambeet... I'm probably forgetting one or two other people but you're going to have to name names if you think it's more than three.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:My experience with SA meta is that the number of naturally inactive/less active scum fantastically outweighs the number of naturally active scum. It should seriously be a priori obvious that it's much easier to play scum when nobody's looking at you than it is when you're constantly drawing attention to yourself. Less posts mean less content to catch people's attention, and less attention means less interference and chance of being voted. I can count the number of people here I'd believe to handle this well as scum on one hand. Yami, hambeet... I'm probably forgetting one or two other people but you're going to have to name names if you think it's more than three. Ah, right, another big factor in this is the stress of getting attention while scum and risking letting your team down by dying too easily. This is why I don't list you as able to sustain being active scum.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:How sure are you that this is before MYLO? As for this, sure enough that I'll bet the farm on it. If you think that's not a full-blooded town Meen position you can flip me and you'll have the proof right in front of you that it is.
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I don't know, I've seen shwinn and Zoya be pretty active scum. (At least as long as Zoya can keep herself from catching stray probes...) Probably molly and Spork too. I'm not up to date on people's metas. Point is, it's a rough assumption to make and I don't think it outweighs the math.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:As for this, sure enough that I'll bet the farm on it. If you think that's not a full-blooded town Meen position you can flip me and you'll have the proof right in front of you that it is. I'm not scumreading you for the record, I just don't think it's a good plan.
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If we seriously have mostly lurking town to the point that scum are never seriously challenged by this plan then frankly I think we're doomed anyway. Lurking town get led around by scum like sheep to the slaughter.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I don't know, I've seen shwinn and Zoya be pretty active scum. (At least as long as Zoya can keep herself from catching stray probes...) Probably molly and Spork too. I'm not up to date on people's metas. Point is, it's a rough assumption to make and I don't think it outweighs the math. molly and Spork in general are tough, but I don't see them the same way I see Yami. I'll grant that Spork can count if you define "active" as "not significantly less present than they are when town", and he did a fine job leading town by the nose in Volume Wars, but molly is at least as far as I've seen less active as scum than town outside being provoked, and when it comes to Yami, my experiences with him as scum is that he takes charge nearly instantly and just steamrolls the game, versus being more reserved as town. Maybe I could have said "leader" scum instead, but I'm not 100% sure I've seen any of them get into that spot early on - it's only after the proper town leaders are offed or neutralized that they step in.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:molly and Spork in general are tough, but I don't see them the same way I see Yami. I'll grant that Spork can count if you define "active" as "not significantly less present than they are when town", and he did a fine job leading town by the nose in Volume Wars, but molly is at least as far as I've seen less active as scum than town outside being provoked, and when it comes to Yami, my experiences with him as scum is that he takes charge nearly instantly and just steamrolls the game, versus being more reserved as town. Maybe I could have said "leader" scum instead, but I'm not 100% sure I've seen any of them get into that spot early on - it's only after the proper town leaders are offed or neutralized that they step in if at all.
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[quote="Zoya" post="544724744"] ##vote Iggy [
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I'm gonna have such a big poo poo-eating grin in obs if I've provoked the entire scum team into voting me.
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It's too early to take that thought very seriously, but Zoya's definitely gonna have to start using her words after I flip town at least.
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Maugrim posted:I like this plan I am not sure about this plan but I like that Iggy has made a plan.
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mycelia posted:gang ill be real with you i absolutely thought seals also arfed Seals make a lot of vocalizations. ##vote mycelia
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:It's too early to take that thought very seriously, but Zoya's definitely gonna have to start using her words after I flip town at least.
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Cloacamazing! posted:The song "What Does The Fox Say?" has already solved the question: "And the seal goes ow, ow, ow" Clo edited this message! Oh...
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Two (well, I guess one and a half) repeatable vigs sounds like... a lot, honestly. Iggy's sounds kinda dayvIGGY tbh. (Now I have the phrase 'dayviggy jones locker' going through my head; I'm weird, ignore me)
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It's 100% a dayvig and there will be no mystery about me slapping people.
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