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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Ms Adequate posted:

If you call me a trot again I will find you and I will end you t:mad:

not all sex weirds are trots but all trots are sex weirds

https://twitter.com/Jon_Christian/status/1193358974562775040

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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


gh0stpinballa posted:

see?? a stalinist isn't a tankie, many stalinists didn't agree with putting down the uprisings

Ahh, the "uprisings", yes, quite:

wiki posted:

On the 20th anniversary of Czechoslovakia's "Victorious February", [Communist Party Secretary] Dubček delivered a speech explaining the need for change following the triumph of socialism. He emphasized the need to "enforce the leading role of the party more effectively" and acknowledged that, despite Klement Gottwald's urgings for better relations with society, the Party had too often made heavy-handed rulings on trivial issues. Dubček declared the party's mission was "to build an advanced socialist society on sound economic foundations ... a socialism that corresponds to the historical democratic traditions of Czechoslovakia, in accordance with the experience of other communist parties ..."

One of the most important steps towards the reform was the reduction and later abolition of the censorship on 4 March 1968. It was for the first time in Czech history the censorship was abolished and it was also probably the only reform fully implemented, although only for a short period. Changing from an instrument of party propaganda, media quickly became the instrument of criticism of the regime.

In April, Dubček launched an "Action Programme" of liberalizations, which included increasing freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of movement, with economic emphasis on consumer goods and the possibility of a multiparty government. The programme was based on the view that "Socialism cannot mean only liberation of the working people from the domination of exploiting class relations, but must make more provisions for a fuller life of the personality than any bourgeois democracy." It would limit the power of the secret police and provide for the federalization of the ČSSR into two equal nations. The programme also covered foreign policy, including both the maintenance of good relations with Western countries and cooperation with the Soviet Union and other Eastern Bloc nations. It spoke of a ten-year transition through which democratic elections would be made possible and a new form of democratic socialism would replace the status quo.

Those who drafted the Action Programme were careful not to criticize the actions of the post-war Communist regime, only to point out policies that they felt had outlived their usefulness. For instance, the immediate post-war situation had required "centralist and directive-administrative methods" to fight against the "remnants of the bourgeoisie." Since the "antagonistic classes" were said to have been defeated with the achievement of socialism, these methods were no longer necessary. Reform was needed for the Czechoslovak economy to join the "scientific-technical revolution in the world", rather than relying on Stalinist-era heavy industry, labour power, and raw materials. Furthermore, since internal class conflict had been overcome, workers could now be duly rewarded for their qualifications and technical skills without contravening Marxism-Leninism. The Programme suggested it was now necessary to ensure important positions were "filled by capable, educated socialist expert cadres" in order to compete with capitalism.

or how about :

wiki posted:

In January 1987, Gorbachev attended a Central Committee plenum where he talked about perestroika and democratisation while criticising widespread corruption. He considered putting a proposal to allow multi-party elections into his speech, but decided against doing so. After the plenum, he focused his attentions on economic reform, holding discussions with government officials and economists. Many economists proposed reducing ministerial controls on the economy and allowing state-owned enterprises to set their own targets; Ryzhkov and other government figures were sceptical. In June, Gorbachev finished his report on economic reform. It reflected a compromise: ministers would retain the ability to set output targets but these would not be considered binding. That month, a plenum accepted his recommendations and the Supreme Soviet passed a "law on enterprises" implementing the changes. Economic problems remained: by the late 1980s there were still widespread shortages of basic goods, rising inflation, and declining living standards. These stoked a number of miners' strikes in 1989.

By 1987, the ethos of glasnost had spread through Soviet society: journalists were writing increasingly openly, many economic problems were being publicly revealed, and studies appeared that critically reassessed Soviet history.Gorbachev was broadly supportive, describing glasnost as "the crucial, irreplaceable weapon of perestroika". He nevertheless insisted that people should use the newfound freedom responsibly, stating that journalists and writers should avoid "sensationalism" and be "completely objective" in their reporting. Nearly two hundred previously restricted Soviet films were publicly released, and a range of Western films were also made available. In 1989, Soviet culpability for the 1940 Katyn massacre was finally revealed.

Truly violent actions of the counterrevolutionary, err, highest political officials of the communist party.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Door knocking today. Very positive. We did a few tower blocks, so at least it wasn't cold and someone let us in to every single one! All the doors that opened were either Labour or don't knows with the exception of one lib dem (purely on brexit according to him) who was star struck by the MP.

gh0stpinballa posted:

putting some anarchist sects on the list too, they get weird af about age of consent laws

Ancaps aren't anarchists. I will die on this hill.

Pesmerga posted:

Yeah I’m sorry, increasingly my job has turned into mental health triage for students with serious personal trauma or difficult circumstances before we can get them either to student support or before campus security can get on site. When I’m not doing that I’m having the difficult conversations regarding the fact they can’t stay on the course. so dealing with that day to day in addition to the generalised worry about politics, I’m either depressed or starting to suffer from degrading mental health myself. I guess I use this forum to blow off steam with my concerns because I can’t in my work life, but I don’t want to bring others down either. I’ll stop posting.

Pes, I'm pretty sure I've seen you on the discord? Feel free to message me there if you need to vent! Please don't take this all on yourself.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol gh0stpinballa started posting here to get away from the insane marxist-leninist's and found we're a whole different brand of horny crazy

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Miftan posted:

Ancaps aren't anarchists. I will die on this hill.

You will not die alone comrade.

It is bad enough we let the propertarians take libertarian, a perfectly good left-wing word at one point. They can gently caress off trying to steal anarchism too.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ancaps are just caps, because cap is incompatible with an.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
I'm an anarcho-Stalinist

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I'm an anarcho-Stalinist

:frogout:

forkboy84 posted:

You will not die alone comrade.

It is bad enough we let the propertarians take libertarian, a perfectly good left-wing word at one point. They can gently caress off trying to steal anarchism too.

I like porpertarian as a word in theory, but it lacks that vicious mocking that I require when talking about ancaps. gently caress, I'm gonna go read the story about the ancap who went to Greece again to cheer me up.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Miftan posted:

:frogout:


I like porpertarian as a word in theory, but it lacks that vicious mocking that I require when talking about ancaps. gently caress, I'm gonna go read the story about the ancap who went to Greece again to cheer me up.

The only good post ever made on Reddit.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

Also literally never heard of heath robinson.

My primary school used to give out little prizes for stuff like attendance and my most prized possession from that part of my life was a little book of Heath Robinson prints I got for volunteering for library duty every week for a term (basically ten minutes of putting books on shelves then getting to sit in the dry warm library reading whatever I wanted for an hour instead of doing PE - I'd have paid them for it). Alas I threw it out in a fit of teenage rebellion and I've never been able to find another copy.

TBH I blame that book for my approach to problem-solving that blights my life to this day.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Jose posted:

lol gh0stpinballa started posting here to get away from the insane marxist-leninist's and found we're a whole different brand of horny crazy

lmao

they left drowned in sound and now they're gonna hear all about drowning, and sounding (the kinks)

Also yeah "ancap" results from a fundamental misreading of anarchism's arguments, one I used to be guilty of.

e; the Greece post is incredible: https://www.reddit.com/r/COMPLETEANARCHY/comments/7we98w/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/

minema
May 31, 2011
i'm learning coding by playing every Zachtronic game ever, how long until i can get a job please?

eta oh GOD there's a new one out and i don't have TIME for this!

minema fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Nov 14, 2019

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Jose posted:

lol gh0stpinballa started posting here to get away from the insane marxist-leninist's and found we're a whole different brand of horny crazy

what can i say, this place is a lot of fun. it's rare you get to chat about sex work, rachel riley, and uncle joe in the space of a few hours, and in the same thread no less

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Miftan posted:

I like porpertarian as a word in theory,

Sea's the means of porpduction?

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


minema posted:

i'm learning coding by playing every Zachtronic game ever, how long until i can get a job please?

Maybe try and write some vidyagame util in .net/C#, try to put in a fair bit of effort too. Like a save manager or config manager or some modding thing (but crucially use C# for it - the other option is to make a bunch of rando websites as a web "portfolio"; other languages exist but mostly require more experience).

I'm not saying it'll be enough to get a job but I've heard from people on the forums who had success with it as a way of breaking in V :geno: V

Or don't I dunno. Do a degree or a bootcamp or just try w/e you want. Or just keep playing Zach games. Computer touching is a stupid job anyway.

e: Oh I forgot, I guess you can try to make some phoneapps instead too, that seems to be a fairly open thing.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Nov 14, 2019

HauntedRobot
Jun 22, 2002

an excellent mod
a simple map to my heart
now give me tilt shift
One fun programming language that's come out recently is the one where you write rock lyrics https://codewithrockstar.com/

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

gh0stpinballa posted:

what can i say, this place is a lot of fun. it's rare you get to chat about sex work, rachel riley, and uncle joe in the space of a few hours, and in the same thread no less

Buy pms because do I have things to show you

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jose posted:

Buy pms because do I have things to show you

For maximum accuracy read this in the cenobite voice.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
We have such pro lapses to show you.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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minema posted:

i'm learning coding by playing every Zachtronic game ever, how long until i can get a job please?

eta oh GOD there's a new one out and i don't have TIME for this!

TIS-100 is basically a game of my former PhD supervisor's thesis in parallel computing from the 90's.

e: I probably shouldn't miss the opportunity in the UKMT to point out that a popular design for parallel computing at that time was actually called the Transputer.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

forkboy84 posted:

It is bad enough we let the propertarians take libertarian, a perfectly good left-wing word at one point.

They don't have it yet and we wear it better, just like we wear individualism better. Libertarianism as economic far-right is a recent construct created by the Kochs, wanting freedom from religion and heirarchical violent structures is left-wing, the bizarre fantasy that corporate power is magically different is a recent lie and frankly its disintegrating. The principled libertarians that aren't just market cucks in disguise are potential allies and are worth talking to.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Jose posted:

Buy pms because do I have things to show you
if you draw eyes on it it's a chestburster. only not from a chest

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Jose posted:

Buy pms because do I have things to show you

payday in 2 weeks, i will upgrade!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was going to ask what the market is having sex with that you wish you were having sex with instead, but actually libertarians do masturbate about the market loving people the libertarians don't actually want to gently caress as much as they want to watch the market loving them, so it's actually a very good analogy for libertarianism.

minema
May 31, 2011

Private Speech posted:

Maybe try and write some vidyagame util in .net/C#, try to put in a fair bit of effort too. Like a save manager or config manager or some modding thing (but crucially use C# for it - the other option is to make a bunch of rando websites as a web "portfolio"; other languages exist but mostly require more experience).

I'm not saying it'll be enough to get a job but I've heard from people on the forums who had success with it as a way of breaking in V :geno: V

Or don't I dunno. Do a degree or a bootcamp or just try w/e you want. Or just keep playing Zach games. Computer touching is a stupid job anyway.

e: Oh I forgot, I guess you can try to make some phoneapps instead too, that seems to be a fairly open thing.

Oh, I was just shitposting because I was addicted to SpaceChem, I'm in my third year of a physiotherapy degree and not actually looking to change careers. Thanks for the actual advice though!

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


minema posted:

Oh, I was just shitposting because I was addicted to SpaceChem, I'm in my third year of a physiotherapy degree and not actually looking to change careers. Thanks for the actual advice though!

Yeah I figured, but it's late and it comes up sometimes ITT.

TBH it's easier to talk about than do in practice, anyway.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Vitamin P posted:

The Dankula case is weird because it was a massive waste of police time, the judgement was wrong and it legit did undermine free speech as a protected principle, but it also propelled this guy onto the grifter circuit and he's rich and famous now, it's emblematic of the whole culture war hamster wheel in that it was an actual Moment that would trigger a worldview response but because the obviously correct leftist-libertarian take is stamped on harder than anything people didn't have access to that so just went bizarre about it.

Lmao gently caress off, it was inspiring threats of violence against Jewish communities in scotland. Just gently caress off forever you nazi apologising loving oval office.

Edit: btw nice to see people in the thread arguing that scotland is in fact a nation, even if just because propelled on by an actual tankie dipshit.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Didn't you initially stan that dude when he first came to attention?

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

gh0stpinballa posted:

payday in 2 weeks, i will upgrade!

This post is pretty much that one scene in paranormal horror movies where the protagonists establish contact with the dormant ghost of a murderer or start fiddling with the Lament Configuration

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

gh0stpinballa posted:

payday in 2 weeks, i will upgrade!

Cool and it's not work safe

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Pochoclo posted:

This post is pretty much that one scene in paranormal horror movies where the protagonists establish contact with the dormant ghost of a murderer or start fiddling with the Lament Configuration

the warning was given and the warning was ignored

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Coohoolin posted:

Edit: btw nice to see people in the thread arguing that scotland is in fact a nation, even if just because propelled on by an actual tankie dipshit.
They later argued that Jewish people don't exist because nations though, so I think they managed to hit the fractal badness of national socialism, regardless of the nationality of Scotland or Wales.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think when I saw it I was reminded of shai hulud erupting from the desert.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Coohoolin posted:

Lmao gently caress off, it was inspiring threats of violence against Jewish communities in scotland. Just gently caress off forever you nazi apologising loving oval office.

"it was inspiring threats" okay oval office tell us what threats it inspired

Edit can't be arsed the conversation goes;

Vitamin P (brave, handsome): what actual harm did it do or lets be generous reasonably could possibly do?
Coohoolin (covered in a weird sort of slime): it would normalise offensive language, and so could normalise the ideas that language contains
VP: thats a massive hypothetical and you shouldn't be actively against free speech on that weak grounds, the criminalisation of speech could easily spread to the left
C: I'm a dump baby you're a racist something something Braveheart


(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Hooray I got accepted into the Momentum volunteer Slack. Hope I can be of some use doing research or data entry. Was there still a secret goon channel there as well?

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

gh0stpinballa posted:

payday in 2 weeks, i will upgrade!
also get an avatar or you're getting Prince Andrew smiling happily

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

shut the gently caress up and gently caress off forever you fash defending piece of poo poo

the paradox of tolerance is a problem best solved with boots and bombs

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Pochoclo posted:

This post is pretty much that one scene in paranormal horror movies where the protagonists establish contact with the dormant ghost of a murderer or start fiddling with the Lament Configuration

oh poo poo

Jose posted:

Cool and it's not work safe

oh poo poo

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Please do let us know your response if you decide to look at it :v:

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Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

OwlFancier posted:


How did this go if you can share? Because it's something I obviously sympathise with and can respond to but curious how others do it.

Way late with this response. Asking questions to find what they were hurting about, then drawing them back to positive messages was part of it. Good local knowledge too. The conversation went something like:
Angry resident: I'm not voting they're all the same.
Campaigner: We've got a good MP and here are [reasons] why they're different. Also we've done [good things] in the community.
Even angrier resident: Don't get me started on local issues! The council have just done [unpopular thing]
Campaigner: I totally understand and it's unacceptable. It's because we've got a [not labour] run council. It needs to change but the only way we can do that is by voting.
Less angry resident: Well I still think they're all the same and they'll just lie to get your vote.
Campaigner: Do you think Jeremy Corbyn is just the same?
Resident: No, but [less convinced, leading to nice chat]

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