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scavy131 posted:
 We will reconsider our stance if House Pinchay (or someone else) agrees to sell us signing rights for the sticker.
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Quackles posted:
House Cyfoeth has no issue either signing rights for the sticker or formally declining to compete for the Nay sticker. How does House Pinchay feel about this? Would you be willing to sell singing rights to House Daucus for a Nay vote?
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Quackles posted:
 Foreman We're interested in this proposal. How much would you be willing to offer?
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Aug 30, 2021 20:53
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We could offer you 5 Coins for the sticker. Does that seem fair?
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Aug 30, 2021 20:58
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Foreman Proposal accepted. Welcome aboard the Nay train.
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Aug 30, 2021 21:02
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To be clear: we will no longer vote Aye. We will now Pass. And... thank you. 
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Blastinus posted:
 Treasurer as the reign does not appear to be ending, Lethe will take this deal.
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Blastinus posted:
House Cyfoeth Mobileposting Seeing as how the Reign of Her Majesty seems likely to continue, our eternal thanks to Houses Daucus and Pinchay for being willing to negotiate amicably, we'll let ourselves step to the side for this one. House Cyfoeth Accepts House Pinchay's offer of 2 gold to Pass.
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Blastinus posted:
Bellmaker posted:
scavy131 posted:House Cyfoeth Mobileposting Quackles posted:we'll take this offer too btw That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Blastinus posted:
we'll take this offer too btw
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Aug 31, 2021 07:30
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Reign of Queen Ilysia III, Dilemma 5, Resolution Vote Results posted:
Vote Outcome posted:
Reign of Queen Ilysia III, Dilemma 6 History of the Kingdom of Ankist posted:Hall of Rulers  - Foreman/Sitting Councilmember: grandalt (also Treasurer)     - Sitting Councilmember: Omobono (also Treasurer)    - Sitting Councilmember: Sighence (also Treasurer) - High Scholar/Sitting Councilmember: oldskool (also Treasurer)    - Sitting Councilmember: Bellmaker - Treasurer/Negotiator: SporkChan Dilemma 6 posted:
 A 48h voting window is now open! - Sitting Councilmembers can send me a PM/Email with their final decision. Please consult the OP if you need a refresher on the rules! - Treasurers can now start bribing. Please consult the OP if you need a refresher on the rules! - Senators are free to discuss the Dilemma and provide their feedback. Don't forget that every choice could have consequences that are not spelled out outright on the front of the card! Also, please remember that the thread is the main discussion platform for your vote intention - the Sheet is only to be used when discussing high level strategy, bargaining strategies and items on the sheet itself.
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House Pinchay(7), Dukes of Gamam is the current Leader.
- Ending bonus: +20 Cohesion 
- Ending bonus: +5 Dissent 
- Ending bonus: +20 Cohesion 
- Ending bonus: +10 Cohesion 
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Senator Well that was an interesting resolution to the previous dilemma, I think that may also have been the largest combo-deal witnessing so far with 3 houses having deals approved in the same post. Oh yeah, Caffeine or Culture, that's a toughie. The negative sticker for the caffeine option is unfortunate otherwise I'd think Aye was a no-brainer.
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scavy131 posted:Oh yeah, Caffeine or Culture, that's a toughie. The negative sticker for the caffeine option is unfortunate otherwise I'd think Aye was a no-brainer. 
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Councilmember Is anyone going to care about the kingdom's wealth today? We're sitting this one out unless people want to put a price on the sticker.
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I completely forgot I was following this thread for months and then drat did everything get really interesting. Catching back up has been exciting, the writing in this game is shockingly good for a board game. As near as I can tell, and I haven't looked this up, but it seems like there's a lot of Mass Effect style choices, where, maybe the envelopes you open or don't open don't lock you out of your story resolution and ultimately, the only decision that matters is the end of the tree. I'm also gonna hazard a guess that, since there are 12 factions and six storylines, each "tree" ends with a choice between two. So each storyline achievement has a direct competitor. If you work under the assumption that the pairs from the demo pictures in the thread are the directly opposed pairs (which does seem to line up with a few of the dilemmas we have seen), then it's clear at least one of the two remaining factions has been locked outside of theirs. However, should this be an assumption? I'm less than sure. Just because Tyrill, from their flavor text, seemed like the obvious other side of the "inter-marriage with other cultures" in the wedding/Enkhal story, doesn't mean they necessarily were. If you pay attention to the Asher story, almost every event is located in Tyrill, hell, most of the non-story Asher and defender events took place in Tyrill. So while we don't know who the pro-bread-eating faction was (as no one in this game is playing them) there's a lot of evidence to suggest that Tyrill is the anti bread eating faction, if only because the entire conflict caused by the bread, and the initial famine, seemed to be loving their March over and over again. Tyrill also says explicitly in their flavor text that they want the poor to be recognizable as possible---keeping the Ashers out of high society, not letting the bread become a luxury, all of it, that seems to be something they'd angle against. Finally, maybe they just don't care if every other noble house intermarries into the Enkhal; if they don't, perhaps that just makes them even more pure in the eyes of the kingdom. I think the Asher conflict was either Tyrill/Blodyn or Tyrill/Allwed. Tyrill was about ending the conflicts within their own kingdom, and the pro-asher side wasn't actually about Ashers so much as it was about "acceptance" and "knowledge". For Blodyn, I could see them as the side that's initially angry because the ashen bread cuts into their own profits, only to turn around and make it a luxury item, and finally to get it openly exploited for their scholars. I bet different paths down the envelopes makes one or the other side look more/less like obvious bad guys. I will give the writing of this game that much credit based on what I have seen already. On the other hand, it could be just over-analysis, and the obvious "Allwed wants people to accept the poor, so they're in the Asher conflict" and "Blodyn's teaser card references both knowledge and spirituality, so maybe they're the opposite of Olywn". There's also no guarantee that the final envelope would have the same precise conflict. I presume they would have the same competitors for the conflict, but not necessarily the same dilemma. Natar/Lethe has said themselves, they were pleasantly surprised to not be the bad guys in their story--maybe that's just because of how that story ultimately played out. Perhaps if other envelopes were opened, there'd be less obviously evil knowledge that they'd need to destroy. But the flipside would be... hmm. I posit that the flipside of the Natar/Lethe/Temple conflict was Crann, the Southern Border March. "Tranquility in Death". It talks about how they're the defenders of the Southern border who others see as cutthroat and bloodthirsty. Remember, when you did the temple storyline, it didn't have to free the girl for her map, or defend the caravan south to the first temple, and the expedition could have gone any number of directions. So who's to say if the game tightly runs on rails toward the final temple with the gold-blood knowledge, or if it could have led any other number of places. Regardless of how that event chain might look in another universe, I'll wager this, sight unseen: The Crann (or another unpicked house for only partial credit to me) has a narrative achievement of: "Prove the value of blood spilled" or something with very similar wording. On the other hand, maybe one of the houses has a goal of "Find the secret of gold", and I'm overthinking again. I wonder if some of these alternative envelopes finish their respective storyline faster than others. If, perhaps, some goals are hard to spot early on, but easy later, which might be reversed for their opposite house; they might not even know that they're in the story until they're at the end. So, regardless of the final conflict at the end of the envelopes, I think the wording on the narrative achievements is probably fair enough to give a nation an idea of what it is they're trying to accomplish. But the wording can have layered meanings or just not be the same result---perhaps the Wedding didn't have to be Enkhal if the thread were much more aggressive with the Enkhali. Perhaps there'd have been an alternative path that wars with Enkhali and attempts to unite with Kauppias or Kasuk. I don't have enough information, especially being out of the actual game, and 7 houses not actually being present, to make a unified theory on who is involved in what conflicts, but I think there are likely a lot of red herrings thrown in, and some really interesting intertwining between the various stories to throw people off the scent. I'm fascinated to know just how much information about your houses are listed on your hidden sheets. Hopefully my bookmark stays this time, because I've got to see how the story of this version of Ankist ends. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As brilliant as this game is, I think I've come to the conclusion I dislike Legacy board games on principle; not because they're legacy, that feature absolutely rules and is fascinating. But because they're necessarily board games. It creates a ton of material waste, and this particular game seems like one of the worst offenders. Every envelope dilemma choice has an entire envelope of cards that you never use. Every unpicked house has a big cardboard screen you never use. Everything that you do use, aside from the board, tokens, and your own card, is used exactly once. That's just... unnecessary. I wish these had digital versions, even if that's somewhat spoiling the novelty of a board game you can alter, but at the same time,---just how many legacy computer games has anyone ever played? Which assume campaigns against the same opponents that range over multiple games? There's like, that one civil war game, and that might be it. And even that one is a legacy campaign against a single AI. So why does the concept have to be a board game? I'm sure the answer is "so people have buy it again, if they ever want to play a new campaign."
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Veryslightlymad posted:As brilliant as this game is, I think I've come to the conclusion I dislike Legacy board games on principle; not because they're legacy, that feature absolutely rules and is fascinating. But because they're necessarily board games. It creates a ton of material waste, and this particular game seems like one of the worst offenders. Every envelope dilemma choice has an entire envelope of cards that you never use. Every unpicked house has a big cardboard screen you never use. Everything that you do use, aside from the board, tokens, and your own card, is used exactly once. That's just... unnecessary. Legacy boardgames emulate video games a lot of times: every game with a branching storyline, or with discrete parts of it that have multiple solutions (IE: "quests") lock you out of content the same way, for that specific playthrough at least. If instead you are talking about mechanics on repeated playthroughs being influenced by the previous one, there are quite a few examples, especially in the roguelike/lite genre (Rogue Legacy, Binding of Isaac, Dead Cells, Slay the Spire, etc). As far games that build narratively on top of previous playthroughs, Sunless Sea or Cultist Simulator come to mind. If instead the question is "why so many BGs are legacy"...Pandemic Legacy happened, and then Gloomhaven. Both have been the n.1 game on BGG at launch, and GH is still n.1 after 4 years. "Legacy" as a mechanic has become very popular cause it gets your game supported on KS and sold in stores.
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Fwiw I think it was Pinchay vs. Lethe at the Golden Temple, which was not what I was expecting. I thought Daucus was going to be our main rival. House Lethe Mobile Councilmember Don’t care for this dilemma too much, open to ideas. We like the idea of HOT BEAN JUICE, but the sticker is a bit difficult to swallow 
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Bellmaker posted:Don’t care for this dilemma too much, open to ideas. We like the idea of HOT BEAN JUICE, but the sticker is a bit difficult to swallow You could put a small amount of power on Nay. Stickers for all! (of us and Lethe)
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Bellmaker posted:Fwiw I think it was Pinchay vs. Lethe at the Golden Temple, which was not what I was expecting. I thought Daucus was going to be our main rival. The sticker goes down well with a cup of HOT BEAN JUICE.
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Quackles posted:You could put a small amount of power on Nay. Stickers for all! (of us and Lethe) How many coins for signing rights?
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Bellmaker posted:How many coins for signing rights? We don't care about signing rights as much unless the sticker would be Welfare. How about we pay you 3 Coins to vote Nay, with the agreement that you would keep most stickers but would let us sign a positive Welfare sticker?
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Veryslightlymad posted:As brilliant as this game is, I think I've come to the conclusion I dislike Legacy board games on principle; not because they're legacy, that feature absolutely rules and is fascinating. But because they're necessarily board games. It creates a ton of material waste, and this particular game seems like one of the worst offenders. Every envelope dilemma choice has an entire envelope of cards that you never use. Every unpicked house has a big cardboard screen you never use. Everything that you do use, aside from the board, tokens, and your own card, is used exactly once. That's just... unnecessary. This is actually one of the better games to just run online without any software emulation, because the board is pretty simple (regardless of the current game state) and can be tracked in an online Excel sheet. Mostly, you need to have a camera to take pictures of cards to have people read, but I've seen videos of people doing it. Conveniently, this also happens to make King's Dilemma one of the legacy games that could be repackaged fairly easily, if it weren't for the fact you had to sign dilemma cards and put stickers on the board - if you're willing to find other ways to track that, (which isn't really that hard), then you can get by without any particular issues. That said, King's Dilemma does lean very heavily on story compared to a lot of legacy games - once you know how the story structure works, there's not much excitement in replaying it, except for maybe playing with a new group to see what kind of tyrants they all become. Also, like many board games, this game also DID have a Tabletop Simulator mod for it, but it was removed some time ago. You might be able to find a setup for it still floating around on the internet though. AncientSpark fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Sep 2, 2021 |
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Is Pinchay still Pinching, or are they on this dilemma as well?Quackles posted:We don't care about signing rights as much unless the sticker would be Welfare. How about we pay you 3 Coins to vote Nay, with the agreement that you would keep most stickers but would let us sign a positive Welfare sticker? Waiting to hear back from our treasurer but this conditionally sounds alright to me.
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Senator We also prefer Nay, so we're not going to go against the tide here. That said, we're willing to purchase that positive sticker as well. 3 coins for any non-Welfare sticker, and 1 coin above whatever Daucus is paying for Welfare.
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Foreman Well, I think that might be fine.
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Quackles posted:We don't care about signing rights as much unless the sticker would be Welfare. How about we pay you 3 Coins to vote Nay, with the agreement that you would keep most stickers but would let us sign a positive Welfare sticker? House Lethe Mobileposting Treasurer Agreed.
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High Scholar With the Nay vote secured, it looks as though Daucus will pass.
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SporkChan posted:House Lethe Mobileposting Witnessed! Today's update is going to be a few hours late.
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Scratch that, today is a bit of a funky day...update is postponed to tomorrow!
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Reign of Queen Ilysia III, Dilemma 6, Moderation Window Vote Results posted:
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Since Lethe decided to completely ignore our proposed deal, perhaps Cyfoeth will be a little more amenable. 4 coins to Cyfoeth to rule in our favor.
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Inadequately posted:
Sitting Councilmember Not very happy about this situation given we literally didn't even see your deal, we were fast asleep when you offered it at the last possible minute. Had we seen you were going to vote nay we would have changed our vote. Let me know your price for the sticker, Cyfoeth, we'll gladly match Pinchay's offer or higher. Bellmaker fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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You asked what our position was, we responded and offered a deal, then your treasurer completely ignored said response. The fact that you missed it is entirely on you, don't try to twist it around to make it our fault. We'll match any price Lethe offers, too.
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Inadequately posted:
The point of a 48 hour window is to give all a chance to debate and respond to your position, you had 40+ hours for anyone in your faction to speak up and say literally anything. So yes, I am making it your fault.
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I would say that we haven't had anyone deliberately lateposting (to make things more complicated for the opposition) itt so far. Pinchay's comments were posted 8h before the deadline and while it's definitely possible to miss this due to different timezones (or even just cause this is not a job but just a game) I would still file this under "poo poo happens" more than anything else
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Bellmaker posted:
We can also offer to assign a negative agenda to the house of your choice at the start of next reign. I am not sure if that can be binding but we would honor it regardless.
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Bellmaker posted:We can also offer to assign a negative agenda to the house of your choice at the start of next reign. I am not sure if that can be binding but we would honor it regardless. Given that we made a deal with you in the past to not assign to us for a number of reigns, I believe that's deal-make-able.
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Pinchay made their offer and then Lethe accepted Daucus's two hours after that. You want to make an argument about considering the earlier offer first, fine, though it's much too late to believe that as Lethe apparently currently argues that they're sleepposting. Sticker assignment would be of some value, varying per sticker (wealth is an absolute albatross, knowledge only worth the initial -1/-1, the others in between). That said I'm not about to pretend I like or understand the sticker board but I don't think Lethe has a negative sticker to assign. Offer values being equal as far as I can tell at the moment, Pinchay has the preference.
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