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Zereth posted:How quickly can you press that button, anyway? its research level 9,
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AtomikKrab posted:its research level 9, It's also very underwhelming. The only person I've seen cast it was Purple (of course) and the horrible mashed up souls of gods just sort of randomly attack provinces, Agartha doesn't get to control them. I just walked around them and ended up winning that game as EA ermor. They do have a great casting sprite though and like to cast shadow blast a lot so it looks like they're puking death all over everything. Slaan posted:LA Agatha has big cave doggies to ride around on and Ethical Necromancy I didn't think the cave drake knights were really worth recruiting the game I won as them but you get a lot of other fun stuff of dubious use like barrels full of living mercury that will kill the person you give it to it's first battle if you don't take precautions and undead horses stuffed with explosive barrels too.
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I mean, when you get down to it Helheim is actually pretty benign. Barring coming under the influence of a Pretender God, they're a small Van faction that doesn't go out raiding or anything else, but just act as guides for the spirits of the dead to the afterlife. They're not mentioned to be in conflict with anyone lorewise, and if the world goes without the advent of a PG war for a long time (i.e. advances from EA to MA), they just quietly disappear - presumably reabsorbed into the larger Vanheim.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:It's also very underwhelming. The only person I've seen cast it was Purple (of course) and the horrible mashed up souls of gods just sort of randomly attack provinces, Agartha doesn't get to control them. I just walked around them and ended up winning that game as EA ermor. They do have a great casting sprite though and like to cast shadow blast a lot so it looks like they're puking death all over everything. Yeah, Breaking The Seal does three things: It almost completely erases all your cap pop, hope you weren't using that gold for any sort of troop upkeep or anything. The new cap site gives you a nice +4 death gems per turn compared to the original one but... still very lame at that stage. It spawns a large mob of (Umbrals? Penumbrals? Mixture of both?) Agarthan ghosty boys, which are very good but frankly won't win you the game by that point. It spawns three independent "imprisoned gods" which are really just ungeared Tartarians, when broken, each of them turns into a Legion of Gods which are very similar to Horrors. They run around on their own doing damage. The problem is that ungeared tarts are not very scary by the time someone has 9 research in anything, and the Legions of Gods are REASONABLY scary? Like not Doom Horror scary but definitely scarier than ungeared Tarts. Except they can't bust forts, so usually they just get stuck on one and sit there for a while, chilling, before flouncing off again. My personal suggestions for unfucking BTS: Reduce the research level, maybe even make it research 5 or 6. Make it a big red button you can push if you're getting hosed, to discourage people from loving you and/or something you intentionally cast to transition to a new phase of your nation. As it is, at Alt 9, it's a completely useless appendix of a spell. Perhaps rather than BIG MOB OF UMBRALS which would be unbalancing early or wimpy late, make it a "mage enters to summon umbrals"-site, so it's a choice to transition away from your cap sacreds and etc. to an Umbral-based army, or perhaps even giving you limited cap recruitment of Umbrals/Penumbrals from the new site. Don't necessarily mess with the Imprisoned Gods, but the Legions of Gods could use a combination of: Temp gems to help them actually cast something scary in fights AND Scabiel's "lol eat ur fort"-ability, so there's some sort of rush to hunting them down and destroying them before they annihilate your entire civilization by eating your cap fort, and can't just be waited out OR perhaps a high Reaper stat so that if they sit on your fort, you're greatly encouraged to rush out and fight them. As it stands they do eat a lot of pop(1000 per turn) and cause unrest(20 per turn) but... eh. Nothing to really encourage you to fight them if you can just wait one or two turns before they leave anyway.
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I recall from way back that the designers more or less explicitly favored "evil" solutions, out of a sort of pessimistic IR "race to the bottom" idea. Blood being the best counter to Blood with Apocalypse as the second-best counter, for example. In modded games of course this logic doesn't obtain.
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Tulip posted:I recall from way back that the designers more or less explicitly favored "evil" solutions, out of a sort of pessimistic IR "race to the bottom" idea. Blood being the best counter to Blood with Apocalypse as the second-best counter, for example. oh dont worry plenty of mod nations favor evil solutions
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Slaan posted:I don't know, "Literal Fountain of Virgin Blood That Requires the Blinding and Eventual Murder of a Mind Controlled Adolescent Girl" has some good policy ideas You can't make an omelette without, uh (Studies recipe book, frowning)
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PurpleXVI posted:Don't necessarily mess with the Imprisoned Gods, but the Legions of Gods could use a combination of: Temp gems to help them actually cast something scary in fights AND Scabiel's "lol eat ur fort"-ability, so there's some sort of rush to hunting them down and destroying them before they annihilate your entire civilization by eating your cap fort, and can't just be waited out OR perhaps a high Reaper stat so that if they sit on your fort, you're greatly encouraged to rush out and fight them. As it stands they do eat a lot of pop(1000 per turn) and cause unrest(20 per turn) but... eh. Nothing to really encourage you to fight them if you can just wait one or two turns before they leave anyway. I think Agartha should just be able to gear and control them. They do get temp gems from what I remember, hence them puking shadow blast all over.
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sebmojo posted:You can't make an omelette without, uh you can fix it when you're god. its ok its ok
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:I think Agartha should just be able to gear and control them. They do get temp gems from what I remember, hence them puking shadow blast all over. Getting three, unafflicted, humanoid tarts as part of the bargain would almost make it worth it, though considering you can only pull it once, I still would not call it worthy of being Alt 9, 8 at most. Now, if the legion forms also lost their 20% chance to go rampant... yeah, alright, then it'd be a worthwhile alt 9, something you could clinch a win with.
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Part of the reason I read these LPs is that Dominions seems like such an overcomplicated, enthusiastic mess that it accidentally wraps around to having lots of coherent strategy again. By accident. The other part is I find Dominions fluff compellingly hilarious.
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Night10194 posted:Part of the reason I read these LPs is that Dominions seems like such an overcomplicated, enthusiastic mess that it accidentally wraps around to having lots of coherent strategy again. By accident. I'll be writing up (well, posting screenshots of) the full nation list in the game tomorrow alongside the turn post. Because a lot of this fluff is super neat! I've been neglecting a lot of regular army fluff because it's mostly wiki copypastes by BaronOhShi's own admission. Not that I blame him, good fluff is hard.
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Jul 30, 2021 00:42
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Respect your fluffer.
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Night10194 posted:Part of the reason I read these LPs is that Dominions seems like such an overcomplicated, enthusiastic mess that it accidentally wraps around to having lots of coherent strategy again. By accident. this exactly, it's really surprisingly compelling in the combination of unbalanced jank, interesting ideas, and interpersonal scheming
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You rarely see such dedicated committment to just going ham.
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LukasR23 posted:I'll be writing up (well, posting screenshots of) the full nation list in the game tomorrow alongside the turn post. Because a lot of this fluff is super neat! My greatest sin TBH. I have half-heartedly put in little bits and pieces, like making the weapons use fire gems and alchemy and what not. Mostly I wanted to keep momentum going since writing is the part that makes me burn out quickest. I might go back at some point and re-write things, I do actually have ideas on how to change it, but it's just finding the motivation to do so that's hard.
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I like that when the existence of a button that fucks the world is brought up the two things goons want to discuss are 1. how soon can you press the button 2. how can we make the button easier to press
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Araganzar posted:I like that when the existence of a button that fucks the world is brought up the two things goons want to discuss are Tulip posted:Turn some of these buttons you can press really soon edit: 
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Notably one of the other fun bits about Dominions is seeing how utterly turbofucked the world becomes by the end by all these time burdens and frozen oceans and stuff. It really makes me sympathize with those grim knight guys you can get as the tentacle cult nation, who were the victims of 'living in a Dominions game', and thus teleport around the galaxy trying to destroy worlds going through Dominions games to put them out of their misery.
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Ramc posted:you can fix it when you're god. its ok its ok Night10194 posted:Notably one of the other fun bits about Dominions is seeing how utterly turbofucked the world becomes by the end by all these time burdens and frozen oceans and stuff. 
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Bonus post - Nation Overviews! Real life has been pretty bad this week - Turn 19 will come over the weekend. In the meantime, have a bonus post featuring every nation in the game and their accompanying fluff! It's not going to be a full nation overview, but I'll go back and link to overviews if a nation has one in the thread. I really should've done this earlier honestly. There is no particular order to the nations featured beyond that which they appear in the nation list. Mediolania - The Second Coming  They've got a whole bunch of rituals that either summon undead or summon people who summon undead. Those guys in gray are really interesting, as if killed they come back as a beefy-ish undead - which becomes a sacred beefy undead if it survives. I've messed with them a bit in singleplayer, and I might actually take them to a mod game at some point. Source, by Casus Belli EA Cassia - The Apiary Dream  BEES! Every forted temple these guys have will spawn a set of Spring Immortal I'm about to play EA Cassia in a modded game as of the time of posting, so I will likely be writing a nation overview for them regardless of if I end up in a war with Ramc. Ramc's better link - featuring the Jade Seal! MA Cassia - The Restless Dreams  Same mod, different era. Confusing the Cassias may be bad for your health. Most of what they get is the same as EA, but they lack the freespawn unless they put up a global for it. Lemnos - Land of a Thousand Cats  Cat. From ArcVasti. Link courtesy of Arcvasti. Swarmhive - Curious Princesses  Slightly old version. Link. Multiple eras inside. Oceania - Beasts from the Waters  Pan but with 100% more Cthullu. And underwater! From the creator of Mediolania. Source, by Casus Belli Shambhala - The Hidden City  They get Yetis and silly hats. gonadic ganymede — 04/06/2021 I got so annoyed when I played shambhala nothing but 20 guys with slightly different coloured hats Link Ryugo-Jo - The Dragon Courts  Literally UW Jomon. But with a bit more magical variety. I really like them conceptually! Link! Vespika - Hungering Hives  Nothing I can say here that purple hasn't. But have the link! Regular Army - Metal Sluggers  Hey look, it's me! In case I forgot before. New Republic - Guardians of Peace  Jedi, but don't forget about their scary competent ranged dudes. They get this weird adventure site in their cap, and some slightly too strong raiding spells that let them summon lightsabres. This is the second time a Nation from this pack has gotten screentime, as the redcoats from the same mod showed up in clowns. Firepower Mod Pack Dedarag - Rise of  Nation overview to come later. They're neat, though. Lots of astral on a solid base of MA Ulm. From the Alexsa Pack, linked here. Using all of these mods at once will not work, for the record. But if there's a demand I can upload Atrocitwee.dm for people to laugh at. LukasR23 fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Mod nations are always interesting because some modders try to balance them with vanilla nations, some modders try to balance them with other modded nations and some modders just do not give a gently caress or have zero conception of what "balanced" is. You know, this is the first time I ever noticed that they're living in the Groverhaus. Just look at those windows.
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PurpleXVI posted:You know, this is the first time I ever noticed that they're living in the Groverhaus. Just look at those windows. layers
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PurpleXVI posted:Mod nations are always interesting because some modders try to balance them with vanilla nations, some modders try to balance them with other modded nations and some modders just do not give a gently caress or have zero conception of what "balanced" is. And then there's the pokemon mod. I might have to do a post on that at some point, it was... special.
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What a lot of them seem to have, is too loving many units.
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goatface posted:What a lot of them seem to have, is too loving many units. you should see some vanilla nations
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Turn 19 - Some days it is not good to be in the rear Purple came through for me!  20 more air gems. We’re at 51 now, and if my luck holds up to get me another ~39 or so, then we’re in business at endgame. But for now…  Bleh. Stupid hunch anyway. This is one time where I’m glad to be wrong.  For once the unlucky casualty got shot by a slinger instead of my own forces. Poor guy.  The battle is entirely unnoteworthy. Arms dealer prizes are an Extra Credit (nice!) and Another goddamn Grenade Box.  You gave your life for the cause, brave FCV. We'll remember you. Or I will, anyway. The other events are a mix of annoyingly bad and shockingly good. Misfortune is weird in core Dominions 5, as while it technically makes the events worse.. They’re not THAT much worse?   Like these two! They’re BAD but not that awful.  And then I just casually get five hundred gold worth of lab in another province. This messes up my plans a bit, but I can fort this place instead. It’s gonna slightly delay construction though... eh. Worth it. But all of that can wait! I have 51 Air gems. It’s time.  Bradley bunch is getting an upgrade! Normally this wouldn’t be worth it, but the mod creator blessed me with Ritual Caster 4 and Master Smith 4. Time to enjoy A5 Rituals and Forges! ..if I can get the gems. Maybe I’ll buy more off Vespika.  You can see our new lab here, both on the world map and in the icons on the right. Everyone is moving onto Dedarag’s capital, in case he tries to break out. And if he doesn’t, I can just split someone off to take that single province. ...I wonder if they’re building another fort in Star Peaks? Honestly I don’t care much if they are, it’s a free fort for me and one they can’t even mass sacreds from. Future Lukas note: Heh. Wish I'd figured that one out earlier. Seven metal slugs and 74 soldiers should be enough to keep whatever he breaks out with cooped up, and even if it isn’t it’ll hopefully wipe most of their frontline out and cripple the mage stack. I’ve already freespawned another ~30 Defence Force Soldiers, and have 9 metal slugs sitting in the capital and waiting for a commando.  Speaking of which, taking a break from FCVs this turn to recruit a commando who can take those metal slugs to a good home. My Prophet, Full of Hot Chicks, Honest is taking said soldiers to Darkwoods so they can start fort construction, but he’ll have a scout taking over for him after two turns so it’s not a fatal order.  I’m not recruiting any more Hydromancers for the time being for gold reasons, and instead turning things towards scout production. Knowing what’s going on in the world is very important, and I can’t recruit scouts natively so.. This works. I might start churning out FCVs from here soon instead, but I value a bit of extra vision over the soldiers right this second. Because apparently the world has collapsed into war! Or to be exact, the Jedi Republic is being overwhelmed by three insect nations at once. Both Cassias and Swarmhive are invading him. [04:46] AfroSquirrel: wow, 3v1 [04:46] AfroSquirrel: all the bugs have attacked me [04:46] AfroSquirrel: I can't kill them all, but I can ruin at least one. If you neighbor a bug, get in touch with me and we can make a deal [04:46] j. (villain): there are 4 bugs [04:47] AfroSquirrel: please don't be rude to the dwarfs [04:47] Tagichatn: Sorry bud but you have like 30 provinces [04:47] j. (villain): no there are actually 4 bugs [04:47] j. (villain): cassia, cassia, swarmhive, and vespika  [04:58] Ramc: some days it is not good to be in the rear    Honestly I'm just glad I'm not the only one dealing with friendly fire. RIP the Jedi prophet and his horrific name. (Credit to Ramc for these images!) I’m unwilling to backstab Cassia simply because I don’t like the republic’s chances, but this is part of why I’ve accelerated the plan to force myself into air magic. Air has some of the best ways to shut down flyers, and while I probably can’t perpetual storm… The smaller sources of Storm will absolutely win me fights if I can stop the bees from jumping on my backside. Next time: A showcase of the toys air magic will give me. And a discussion on Jedi PD if I remember Bonus:  I’ve begun forging helmets to let the metal heroes not have to worry about their squishy skulls being unprotected. Might make them less likely to explode when shot, and it's not like Madoka has anything better to do with her time or those nature gems. And since I forgot to do this a few turns ago:  Ramc's god looks fantastic on the world map.
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Tulip posted:god i love that big bee I agree, that is a GLORIOUS bee.
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Tulip posted:god i love that big bee This is for you, then.
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big bee, big bee, don't you see that big bee he's big and he's blue and he's buzzing at me i'm on the front lines and I've just got this spear i hope that big bee doesn't come around here
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Ramc posted:you should see some vanilla nations Lore dumps are fine but sometimes there is just units with most miniscule differences: 
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Banemaster posted:Lore dumps are fine but sometimes there is just units with most miniscule differences: So those weapons do different types of damage, slash/blunt, this can actually be a LITTLE important in that there are mechanics that affect their impact, last two dudes have two handed weapons and no shields which is a big difference because its trading a bunch of additional damage for less resistance to damage and ranged attacks.
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EXTRA! EXTRA! Absolute mad lad wins a game with reverse throne rush! READ ALL ABOUT IT
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my dad posted:EXTRA! EXTRA! Incredible.
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quote:It's hard to tell the difference between defiance and submission when your weapon of choice is a nigh-indestructible mind-devouring monstrosity from beyond the Void.
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my dad posted:EXTRA! EXTRA! I can't stop laughing. Purple, you've been outdone. There's a new level for you to aspire to in reckless Godding.
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Night10194 posted:Purple, you've been outdone. There's a new level for you to aspire to in reckless Godding. this game isnt over yet
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