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Maed
Aug 23, 2006


genericnick posted:

I might be wrong here but

with 1.5 billion parameters. Seems like a large language model to me? Bit on the smaller size, but whatever.
(obviously their not better than humans, but cheaper goes a long way)

no what large language models do is take an input and predict the next token that should come after that input, it generates "new" (not really it's just mashing together what many people preciously wrote, that's why it feels familiar yet is always poo poo, you already read it somewhere else just a bit different) text. you can't translate or transcribe using that, it'll be completely wrong and there's no way for it to ever be correct cause all it does is predict the next token, it can never actually read and understand a text to translate or listen to audio to transcribe it just isn't what it does

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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Maed posted:

no what large language models do is take an input and predict the next token that should come after that input, it generates "new" (not really it's just mashing together what many people preciously wrote, that's why it feels familiar yet is always poo poo, you already read it somewhere else just a bit different) text. you can't translate or transcribe using that, it'll be completely wrong and there's no way for it to ever be correct cause all it does is predict the next token, it can never actually read and understand a text to translate or listen to audio to transcribe it just isn't what it does

you're describing an autoregressive decoder-only model, what they posted is an encoder-decoder model that specifically goes from audio to text

e: nevermind i might be telling you something you already know

Maed
Aug 23, 2006


Shear Modulus posted:

you're describing an autoregressive decoder-only model, what they posted is an encoder-decoder model that specifically goes from audio to text

right and LLMs are the former but they do use the latter to train the LLM and I'm talking about LLMs having no real uses. the ai transcribing is still dogshit compared to a live stenographer let alone a transcriber doing it after the fact though and I'm not sure it can ever get better than it is now

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Maed posted:

right and LLMs are the former but they do use the latter to train the LLM and I'm talking about LLMs having no real uses. the ai transcribing is still dogshit compared to a live stenographer let alone a transcriber doing it after the fact though and I'm not sure it can ever get better than it is now

Fair enough, I filed all the Transformer, encoder (decoder) models as LLMs, but seems your right that it's only the autoregressive ones?

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
ai transcriptions suck but theyre useful in the sense that i can hunt down a specific point of a conversation and thats all i really need it to do.

ive never found any form of use for "ai" at work otherwise.

Maed
Aug 23, 2006


genericnick posted:

Fair enough, I filed all the Transformer, encoder (decoder) models as LLMs, but seems your right that it's only the autoregressive ones?

there's so much bullshit and jargon out there in ai stuff that it's impossible to really know what these startups are trying to do without a phd in stats I think but that's my interpretation of what chatgpt does

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



"language model" technically means the autoregressive next-token-prediction ones but LLM is enough of a buzzword that people are calling other things LLMs now

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
AI is really good at generating absolute garbage images which you can plaster on print-on-demand items so that you can carpet bomb Etsy with your trash. That's something.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



there's probably a bigger market for ai porn than blockchain porn

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



did they ever make vr porn? that's probably why metaverse never caught on

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Shear Modulus posted:

did they ever make vr porn? that's probably why metaverse never caught on

nah, no one ever thought of that

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



taqueso posted:

nah, no one ever thought of that

too bad zuckerberg has never hosed or else he would have thought of it

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Shear Modulus posted:

did they ever make vr porn? that's probably why metaverse never caught on

yea they did i think its tremendously expensive to make though or there was not a huge market

ai porn is terrifying and already exists. it basically a consent laundering machine. its not technically the person because AI "generated" it. probably one of the most disgusting things in the universe.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



anime was right posted:

yea they did i think its tremendously expensive to make though or there was not a huge market

ai porn is terrifying and already exists. it basically a consent laundering machine. its not technically the person because AI "generated" it. probably one of the most disgusting things in the universe.

Yeah and someone posted an article itt saying andressen horowitz was funding most of it, which is unsurprising

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Maed posted:

no what large language models do is take an input and predict the next token that should come after that input, it generates "new" (not really it's just mashing together what many people preciously wrote, that's why it feels familiar yet is always poo poo, you already read it somewhere else just a bit different) text. you can't translate or transcribe using that, it'll be completely wrong and there's no way for it to ever be correct cause all it does is predict the next token, it can never actually read and understand a text to translate or listen to audio to transcribe it just isn't what it does

it can translate from Turkish pretty well, better than other machine translators and even a lot of humans at parsing and expressing idioms. and Turkish students are using it to make their stuff sound better in English.

the next word is dependent not only on the previous word but on a moving window of multiple words.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 20:35 on Nov 19, 2023

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.

Shear Modulus posted:

did they ever make vr porn? that's probably why metaverse never caught on

It could maybe work if there was hardware that could generate realistic visuals in an interactive space to make it more like a video game.

From what I understand though it's mostly just 360 video. Which if you've used Google Cardboard or whatever, you get why that doesn't really work. The promise of AI porn is not passively spinning in a circle and not interacting with anything.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

the question is can humanity hold on long enough for teledildonics to come into our own

111923
Nov 19, 2023
can we hold on long enough for money to become irrelevant

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

111923 posted:

can we hold on long enough for money to become irrelevant

- guy who spends money

111923
Nov 19, 2023
longevity = change

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Mustached Demon posted:

The predictive modeling part and decision making is useful for stuff like healthcare to maximize profits

Remember: it doesn't have to work for the good of people, it has to work to maximize profits

It doesn't take much "intelligence" to auto-deny claims

Penisaurus Sex
Feb 3, 2009

asdfghjklpoiuyt
is the electricity used to operate an AI transcription model more expensive than the regular kind of exploitative service like Fiverr

like I feel like the AI evangelist set doesn't grasp how cheap human labor is, already.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
ai is good actually

https://cdn1.suno.ai/1809c58b-4e28-42f8-b46d-bf3453807c63_1.mp4

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


Nothus posted:

They also have to make transit as miserable as possible

I spend a lot of time thinking about that Galts gulch comic strip, with the flower being pissed that theyíre having to till their own fields.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023


Counterpoint: https://open.substack.com/pub/freddiedeboer/p/where-are-the-ai-skepticism-stories?r=1r645q&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

jemand
Sep 18, 2018

DrPossum posted:

Crossposting from the "something got shittier" thread

trying to stop peopole from taking the banana discount? or spyware on the phone to sell to 3rd party advertisers?

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

genericnick posted:

I might be wrong here but

with 1.5 billion parameters. Seems like a large language model to me? Bit on the smaller size, but whatever.
(obviously their not better than humans, but cheaper goes a long way)

whisper saves a poo poo ton of time for transcribing. Itís of course not perfect like any ai poo poo and will hallucinate stuff, which is why you reread/listen to what it transcribed. The one person I know who uses it frequently enough says it accelerated the speed at which they are able to transcribe stuff by about 150%.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

jemand posted:

trying to stop peopole from taking the banana discount? or spyware on the phone to sell to 3rd party advertisers?

Both.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe

Good article but he undercuts it by taking some random swipes at tiktok at the end.

Pf. Hikikomoriarty
Feb 15, 2003

RO YNSHO


Slippery Tilde

Penisaurus Sex posted:

is the electricity used to operate an AI transcription model more expensive than the regular kind of exploitative service like Fiverr

like I feel like the AI evangelist set doesn't grasp how cheap human labor is, already.

they use cheap exploitative labor to help train the model, also stolen labor

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



jemand posted:

trying to stop peopole from taking the banana discount? or spyware on the phone to sell to 3rd party advertisers?

is the banana discount some type of shoplifting metaphor?

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

triple sulk posted:

is the banana discount some type of shoplifting metaphor?
yeah sort of. an earlier self-checkout trick was ringing up items as bananas. back when they rolled them out thinking they could abolish all their cashier labor immediately

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Xaris posted:

yeah sort of. an earlier self-checkout trick was ringing up items as bananas. back when they rolled them out thinking they could abolish all their cashier labor immediately

i just ask because back when it existed, r/shoplifting consistently said that under no circumstances should you ever steal from target

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Argentina elects 'shock therapy' libertarian Javier Milei as president https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-readies-vote-likely-presidential-election-thriller-2023-11-19/

The weird libertarian parallel universe Tucker Carlson won in Argentina :mrwhite:

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Oh great, now we get to see how incredibly powerful an economy can be when libertarian policy fully unleashes its potential!

111923_3
Nov 20, 2023
[grand] It's potential of 3 posts per hour!

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




triple sulk posted:

i just ask because back when it existed, r/shoplifting consistently said that under no circumstances should you ever steal from target

I have no direct knowledge of this, but here, or somewhere similar I read that Target letís people steal until they have hit a felony charge. Then security turns everything over to the cops.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

No.
Target (based in Minnesota) was specifically targeted during the George Floyd protests because they're such assholes about criminalizing everything

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Orvin posted:

I have no direct knowledge of this, but here, or somewhere similar I read that Target letís people steal until they have hit a felony charge. Then security turns everything over to the cops.

yup that's what I read too

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/LordOrk/status/1726157332420133299?t=utS8y3t1PwrtCUID36DWZg&s=19

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