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Well, I had a pretty AMERICA! day. It started with a Bald Eagle flying over a traffic jam, and continued from there.     Quantity has a Quality.    This is my Blue Angels picture, there are many others like this Blue Angels picture, but this one is Mine. 
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MrChips posted:The biggest problem with the X-32 was that Boeing found out a fair ways into the design phase that it was going to be a total dog, so the submitted production design ended up being dramatically different to the X-32 by the time of the flyoff, whereas the X-35 was seen as the safe, conservative choice, if you can believe it. True that, they changed midstream from going with the Pelikan tail to the more conventional setup etc. It sounded like the main detraction on the X-35 was the iffy setup with the mid ducted fan requiring the large linkage or whatever. The X-32 was more similar to the harrier for svotl as noted above. But, sucked balls when not trying to land vertically over a large grate. I like the x-32 but I loved the YF-23. Poor loser planes 
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Slo-Tek posted:Well, I had a pretty AMERICA! day. It started with a Bald Eagle flying over a traffic jam, and continued from there. KSUS airshow? I worked Fat Albert going in last night.
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Platystemon posted:STOVL is a Soviet plot to sabotage NATO aviation. It’s the only thing that makes sense. So sayeth Bill Sweetman
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fknlo posted:KSUS airshow? I worked Fat Albert going in last night. Yup. Really good show. Year before last the traffic handling was so bad we ended up just abandoning the car by the side of the road and watching the show from a field at the end of the runway. This year, traffic was competent, weather was insanely perfect, and some really great stuff at the show. Sad I missed the saturday B-1 and B-2 flyover, but sunday was excellent.
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May 16, 2016 02:22
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Mmm that's some nice exhaust right there. Next time there's a "post plane butts" thing happening you can post this, that baby is working it.
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priznat posted:Poor loser planes Still my favourite loser plane: 
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priznat posted:but I loved the YF-23. Poor loser planes  I'm totally working to blow my  tax payer wad on those two.
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Davin Valkri posted:You get PBY Catalinas and Short Sunderlands. Pfft. The Catalina is a good plane for what it was designed for.
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Hey look it's time to list some good airplanes that are also boats: CL-215 / 415  Goose  Turbo Beaver  Super Cub  Basically everything else that has a seaworthy fuselage or is mounted on pontoons. Doubly so if they're amphibious so you can land them on runways, too. Planes that are also boats are cool and good and not lovely at all, unlike amphibious cars and VTOL fixed wings
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Dornier Do.24-ATT is my favorite flying boat. Goddamned shame they only made the one. All the Do.24s own though, and flying boats in general are awesome.   
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May 16, 2016 16:32
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If you can take off in less than the length of a fighter plane, does that qualify as STOL? I can think of some cubs that can do that...
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Nerobro posted:If you can take off in less than the length of a fighter plane, does that qualify as STOL? I can think of some cubs that can do that... Should've bought these for the USMC. They'd be as useful as the F-35B.
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Are there any WWII era Japanese floatplanes still flying?
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When was the last major production (ie not some fibreglass kitbash job) flying boat? They are cool but everyone kind of realized how they're pretty limited in functionality. Gotta have pretty calm conditions to put down or take off safely.
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priznat posted:When was the last major production (ie not some fibreglass kitbash job) flying boat? They are cool but everyone kind of realized how they're pretty limited in functionality. Gotta have pretty calm conditions to put down or take off safely. Bombardier stopped building the 415 last year according to wikipedia. Only double digits built though.  If we go down to single digits but still a "real" plane then the JMSDF is building one:  Oh and China is working on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B814NrWm95M
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priznat posted:When was the last major production (ie not some fibreglass kitbash job) flying boat? They are cool but everyone kind of realized how they're pretty limited in functionality. Gotta have pretty calm conditions to put down or take off safely. Japan is still building US-2's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_US-2
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Well that's pretty interesting, I would not have expected it.
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Flying boat talk and no SeaMaster? For shame.   Why do 'sublimely beautiful aircraft' and 'ridiculous internecine boondoggle' so often have to intersect? 
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May 16, 2016 18:32
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Flying boats ain't poo poo unless they're supersonic.
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Sometimes there's just a bit too much navy in naval aviation.
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priznat posted:When was the last major production (ie not some fibreglass kitbash job) flying boat? Former Soviet design bureau turned commercial company Berievwas building big jet flying boats into the early '90s, seem to have a little 7-seat one in production, and are trying to drum up interest for concepts for flying boats of every size, up to a monater witha thousand-tonne payload. 
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Enourmo posted:Flying boats ain't poo poo unless they're supersonic. Still prettier: 
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joat mon posted:Still prettier: Holy. poo poo. What is that?
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The best looking of the Schneider Trophy planes, the Piaggio P7. Unfortunately, it had some technical issues it couldn't overcome. It used the same engine to run the water prop to get the aircraft up onto its hydrofoils, and the clutch system to switch from the water prop to the air prop (and unfeather it) wasn't fast or strong enough. However, all the post-WWI Schneider Trophy planes are gorgeous. joat mon fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 20:00
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Of COURSE it's a Piaggio. 
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Of COURSE it had some technical issues it couldn't overcome.
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All these seaplanes and no Beriev  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBv_6A7OOVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZgWjxYTJS8
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Flying boats would be a lot more popular if WW2 didn't create a ton of paved runways capable of allowing such large aircraft to take off and land
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To the original point, though, as cool as boat-planes are, they're not very great as either. No one takes their boat-plane and cruises around in it as a boat, and while they function as planes, they're not exactly aerobatic or terribly efficient. But, like, they loving rule anyway.
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rscott posted:Flying boats would be a lot more popular if WW2 didn't create a ton of paved runways capable of allowing such large aircraft to take off and land More popular until basic economics led to all destinations of any significance rapidly developing runways.
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Tsuru posted:All these seaplanes and no Beriev Eat your heart out, Sully.
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Colonial Air Force posted:To the original point, though, as cool as boat-planes are, they're not very great as either. No one takes their boat-plane and cruises around in it as a boat, and while they function as planes, they're not exactly aerobatic or terribly efficient. If they had some mechanism for driving a water screw*, it'd probably be a lot more efficient than running the props. You bet your rear end I'd go for a nice cruise on a lake, then hop over to a river/the ocean for some fishing or whatever. Actually a waterjet would probably be easier to make aerodynamically clean. 
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Tsuru posted:All these seaplanes and no Beriev This cute lil' guy is currently in production:   Not so great as a boat, sure, but it'd be perfect for flying out to your yacht or remote fishing cabin/wilderness retreat. And they're just looking for an excuse to build the 2500-metric-ton God of hybrid ekranoplans on the right (i.e., can fly like a normal airplane at reduced load) with a carrying capacity of a thousand tonnes (note the AN-225 for scale):  Both amphibians, of course -- a pure flying boat with no land capability is indeed a bit useless these days. Enourmo posted:If they had some mechanism for driving a water screw*, it'd probably be a lot more efficient than running the props. You bet your rear end I'd go for a nice cruise on a lake, then hop over to a river/the ocean for some fishing or whatever. If I had the billion dollars to restore and operate a Do. 24 as a private yacht, I'd make a way to mount a couple of little outboard motors on the sponsons. Sure, it wouldn't be fast, but it's a 70-foot yacht/party barge, not a bass boat. And if you do want to have a drag race, clear the decks and fire up the flying engines.  Also I'd put a bunch of sockets on top of the wing for the legs of a charcoal grill and various patio furniture to fit into. Of course, keeping the original wing, even though it is a bit less efficient than the one on the ATT, just to have "deck" space:  Keep the original engines (or put the turbines in the original mounts), and the nacelles probably have plenty of storage space for folding patio furniture:  Also see how you get up there, stairs concealed in the sides of the center nacelle. Clever. Some drop-down railings along the edges would probably be a good idea, too. And of course, a fighting chair in the tail turret. 
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Delivery McGee posted:If I had the billion dollars to restore and operate a Do. 24 as a private yacht, I'd make a way to mount a couple of little outboard motors on the sponsons. Sure, it wouldn't be fast, but it's a 70-foot yacht/party barge, not a bass boat. And if you do want to have a drag race, clear the decks and fire up the flying engines.   I like the cut of your jib.
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It's never not time for the Incredible Flying Yacht! (POSSIBLY NSFW; there's 50's risque, within.)
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http://i.imgur.com/O8ZeYWy.gifv Can anyone ID the plane?
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J-3 Cub.
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MrYenko posted:It's never not time for the Incredible Flying Yacht! (POSSIBLY NSFW; there's 50's risque, within.) P sure bikini pics published in a national magazine c. 1950 are SFW these days, especially if your boss also cares about old airplanes. Wiki says it's only 50 feet long, but that pilot looks tiny even compared to the helmets in, say, a Mudhen. Weird. Terrible Robot posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8JMbe9ljU Note 17-20 seconds in, where I'm pretty sure the crew also earned their u-boat certification -- the hull/fuselage is entirely decks awash at best, only the wing and empennage above water. The best flying boat that never was (well, actually, was in triplicate, but then BOAC took jets instead, and they rotted away in storage before they could find a buyer) was the Saunders-Roe Princess. And what a pretty princess she was:  That'd make a hell of a flying/floating palace. Taking that to the extreme, here's a 1946 Timken Bearings ad:  The part of me that paid attention in my semester of intro to engineering hates it, because it really should be riding lower in the water. Kinda surprised no Russian oligarch has bought one of the big modern Berievs as a private jet/yacht. Or as a dinghy for his capital-ship-sized "yacht".
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