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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Weren't the HOTD zambambos made by like a machine and didn't actually have the ability to infect people? I barely remember the original game, mostly played HOTD2. House of the Dead Overkill actually has a bit explaining the zombi- mutants are... actually indeed mutants, the result of a mutagen spread in a specific area (or injected into people) and the protagonists aren't 'immune', they just weren't in town at the time to get mutated. IIRC Dead Rising does something similar where the zombie infection is artificial and spread through some limited means- bee stings in one game I heard- and thus the real problems are ironically mostly the other people who take advantage of the chaos.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Weren't the HOTD zambambos made by like a machine and didn't actually have the ability to infect people? I barely remember the original game, mostly played HOTD2. Two months in Romanian prison doesn't sound too much like suffering to me
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Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC Dead Rising does something similar where the zombie infection is artificial and spread through some limited means- bee stings in one game I heard- and thus the real problems are ironically mostly the other people who take advantage of the chaos. Yes, the zombie plague in Dead Rising originated from experiments to get more beef from cows. A horrible new species of parasitic bee was discovered, and was going to be used to make cows get fatter faster by rapidly increasing their appetite. Some bees got out, and they got to learn that infected humans turn into zombies who can pass it on through bites (and develop more bees in their brains from the injected eggs). After the first game's deliberate outbreak, another company developed a "treatment" using harvested brain bees after getting a prototype from one of the original researchers, but the treatment only holds off zombism for 24 hours per dose. This obviously gave the people in charge a gigantic incentive to allow further "outbreaks" to occur so they can get more bees and more infected people to fleece for the rest of their lives. This even extended to infected people in 3 or 4 straight up having mandated monitoring bracelets so everyone can know who is a walking timebomb and discriminate against them, which makes it harder for them to afford their injections, which makes monitored outbreaks even more likely, which etc etc. And yea. All the big Boss Encounters are people using any excuse to start killing, or people driven mad by the carnage they're stuck in.
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Dead Rising as a franchise didn't age well in the sense that as it got further along it got worse and worse until the last game basically killed the series.
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pentyne posted:Dead Rising as a franchise didn't age well in the sense that as it got further along it got worse and worse until the last game basically killed the series. Ooooh yeah, I haven't played past the second but the quality drop from the first was palpable
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Autisanal Cheese posted:...this explains a LOT about the book's sudden popularity relative to its quality. To expand on that a little bit - getting published is, still, pretty drat hard. Most publishing companies, especially the big ones, tend to be sort of gated communities where unless you have a lot of money and a bankable name: good loving luck getting someone to even read the first page of your poo poo. The old method of just sending your poo poo into every publisher and hoping someone takes a gamble on you just doesn't really exist anymore because no one's even going to give it a look, there are plenty of interviews - and even reddit AMAs - with people working in the publishing industry who will brag about how they just throw most of what they get straight in the trash without looking at it, or how if they look at the first page and it starts with a word they don't like, straight in the trash, just all sorts of absolutely absurd bullshit from people who get their jollies knowing they effectively control whether or not people get to have careers in a field. And then people who write absolute garbage like Ready Player One come out of loving nowhere, become best sellers over night and get rave reviews from everyone. Incidentally Ernest Cline was really good friends with Harry Knowles who used his connections to help get him a career. He, quite literally, would probably never have the fame and fortune he does now if not for that. Meanwhile most people, even spectacularly talented people, can't ever get a foot in the door because they aren't good friends or related to someone within the entertainment industry already and can't afford the sweet business package that makes sure they get a huge marketing deal, even if they did get accepted. But, hey, self publishing is more of a thing than ever! Good thing the publishing giants would never have a vested interest in making sure it wasn't absolutely associated with garbage while they were exclusively associated with prestige and quality in the minds of the consuming public despite most of them publishing a majority of trash like celebrity autobiographies. Calling someone a nepobaby and making GBS threads on them has gotten kind of popular online, but imo that's good, because before that took off most people would just praise authors like Brooks or Cline for working harder and better than the endless legion of people who never got the leg up they did, and it loving sucked.
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Stonehouse Beach posted:Ooooh yeah, I haven't played past the second but the quality drop from the first was palpable ...that is literally opposite of my experience. There were a ton of QoL in two (no more Otis bullshit, combo weapons, better layout, multiple save slots etc.).
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Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC Dead Rising does something similar where the zombie infection is artificial and spread through some limited means- bee stings in one game I heard- and thus the real problems are ironically mostly the other people who take advantage of the chaos.
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I've finished season 3 of DS9. While many of the aspects of the Ferenghi can be cringy, I do like what the characters of Moogie and Nog bring out in Rom. He's at his best when he's defending his family because it's clear that that's where his passion lies, whether it's helping his mother hide her finances, forcing Quark to recognise that his father was bad with numbers (I particularly liked Rom's line "He wouldn't be able to hold on to latinum if it were sewn into his pants!" it shows a lot of wit) or supporting and protecting Nog's bid to join star fleet.
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BioEnchanted posted:I've finished season 3 of DS9. While many of the aspects of the Ferenghi can be cringy, I do like what the characters of Moogie and Nog bring out in Rom. He's at his best when he's defending his family because it's clear that that's where his passion lies, whether it's helping his mother hide her finances, forcing Quark to recognise that his father was bad with numbers (I particularly liked Rom's line "He wouldn't be able to hold on to latinum if it were sewn into his pants!" it shows a lot of wit) or supporting and protecting Nog's bid to join star fleet. Rom and Nog are both wonderful characters. Moogie kinda sucks as a person but she's *great* to watch. Hilarious. She will not let Ferenginar's bullshit tie her down.
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HopperUK posted:Rom and Nog are both wonderful characters. Moogie kinda sucks as a person but she's *great* to watch. Hilarious. She will not let Ferenginar's bullshit tie her down. I also love the Bajoran characters, I didn't think I'd find them as engaging as I do but Veddick Barial was fun while he lasted and Kai Winn is a wonderfully slimy villain. It's really fun watching her struggle to attain more and more power. She's fun to hate.
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BioEnchanted posted:I also love the Bajoran characters, I didn't think I'd find them as engaging as I do but Veddick Barial was fun while he lasted and Kai Winn is a wonderfully slimy villain. It's really fun watching her struggle to attain more and more power. She's fun to hate. Narys, nobody thinks Barial is fun but you
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bunnyofdoom posted:...that is literally opposite of my experience. There were a ton of QoL in two (no more Otis bullshit, combo weapons, better layout, multiple save slots etc.). 2 is an improvement spread across two different games. After that the series begins chasing trends and things don't work out so well
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Fish of hemp posted:We all know the parody zombie, slowly shuffling about with its hands stretched out and moaning brains....brains.... This was an excellent question btw, it led down a great pop culture rabbit hole. I'm pretty sure that the stereotypical idea of a zombie is an example of what Claude Lévi-Strauss and Jacques Derrida called bricolage, pretty much a socially shared construct which was cobbled together from many different sources over time. It was likely mostly informed by parodies of zombies (that Simpsons episode, Calvin and Hobbes, a whole lot of political newspaper cartoons) more than anything and just kept filtering down into the generalized idea of zombie-ness
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It's like how "the butler did it" was a joke before any actual published mysteries where the butler in fact did it.
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bunnyofdoom posted:...that is literally opposite of my experience. There were a ton of QoL in two (no more Otis bullshit, combo weapons, better layout, multiple save slots etc.). The writing took a massive downhill slide from 1. Chuck was an infinitely less likeable/entertaining character than Frank, the environment was somehow less memorable despite technically being more flashy and more interactive, none of the supporting cast was even notable, the antagonists sucked, none of the psychos were remotely as interesting or memorable as the ones in 1 despite several being clear knockoffs... And tbh beyond all that, the writing just felt way more mean than the first game, and just felt way less... grounded. Which is really dumb to say about a zombie game of all things, but like, 'everyone knows zombies are real' as a follow-on from the first game just made them turn up the Wack-O-Meter to 11. Which meant the ground floor was just absolutely stupid, so all the absurd things that the game throws at you and allows you to do just kind of doesn't really land with the same level of charm as the first game.
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Humerus posted:It's like how "the butler did it" was a joke before any actual published mysteries where the butler in fact did it. To be fair, i think the butler being a red herring was a thing in those kinds of stories at least
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Tiggum posted:If you're going to go that far, why not say that the 21st Phantom (ie. the one who's been the protagonist since the comic began in 1936) died in the 1950s. Then you're free to invent at least one Phantom in between the Falk original and the current one, which means you can easily write off a lot of the more problematic elements of the character as relics of the past - rather than things that the current protagonist did or continues to do. And you can make the current protagonist different in whatever ways you want without having to retcon any elements of the original character because it's literally a different person. King Features characters died out because print newspapers were so big and so dominant for so long. 1920’s: Newspaper comics have come of age, we have the biggest brands. 1930’s: The art form is maturing, we have the best adventure strips. 1940’s: Comic books are for children only, everyone reads the newspaper strips. 1950’s: Why should we adapt these characters for television? Everyone gets a daily paper. 1960’s: Why should we adapt these characters for television or movies? Everyone gets a daily paper. 1970’s: Why should we adapt these characters for TV? Everyone gets a paper and the kids of the 30’s and 40’s are adults now and remember them fondly, a hit Broadway musical is a much bigger deal. 1980’s: Let’s reinvent these for the 80’s, our original readers are getting old but luckily people still get newspapers. Grandkids will like these adventure stories. 1990’s: The internet is a fad, people get newspapers and get upset if the comic that has been there forever is missing. 2000’s: Why doesn’t anyone want to make TV shows of our characters? Marvel Comics?!? That garbage from the 60’s?!! 2010’s: Characters for sale! CHEAP!!!!! Walt Wallet can be 123 years old, right? 2020’s: Please make an adaptation before he hits public domain. WE ARE BEGGING YOU.
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Humerus posted:It's like how "the butler did it" was a joke before any actual published mysteries where the butler in fact did it. That's the beauty of it, it doesn't do anything.
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HopperUK posted:Rom and Nog are both wonderful characters. Moogie kinda sucks as a person but she's *great* to watch. Hilarious. She will not let Ferenginar's bullshit tie her down. A lot about Moogie makes sense as she's trying to accomplish her society's idea of success while breaking the boundaries and expectations it places on her. Nieuw Amsterdam posted:King Features characters died out because print newspapers were so big and so dominant for so long. Yeah this pretty much tracks with everything I'd heard about newspapers, they're all run by living fossils who have no idea how to comprehend how the landscape has changed. The Trading Post in Australia comes to mind, the chief literally didn't wanna hear about this newfangled thing called Ebay.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:King Features characters died out because print newspapers were so big and so dominant for so long. 1940’s: Comic books are for children only, everyone reads the newspaper strips. Comic books spun out of comic strips, for the first few years of the industry's existence they were just reprints of popular comic strips. David McKay was an earlier comics publisher that pretty much exclusively reprinted King Features strips, in King Comics, Feature Comics, etc. This predated the introduction of Superman, Batman, et. al by several years, and once Superman did debut in comic books (he was originally pitched as a comic strip), it took less than a year for a Superman comic strip to start running, admittedly with a different Syndicate. Batman followed in 1943. Before long, many comic strip characters (including King characters) started appearing in original stories Also, the whole "comics are just for kids" thing did not really calcify until the 1950s/1960s. 1950’s: Why should we adapt these characters for television? Everyone gets a daily paper." 1960’s: Why should we adapt these characters for television or movies? Everyone gets a daily paper. 1970’s: Why should we adapt these characters for TV? Everyone gets a paper and the kids of the 30’s and 40’s are adults now and remember them fondly, a hit Broadway musical is a much bigger deal. An incomplete list of TV/film adaptations of King Features characters: Barney Google & Snuffy Smith: 12 silent shorts, four animated shorts, two live action films, an animated feature between 1928-1946 Blondie: 28 feature films between 1938-1950, a radio show for ten years, two attempts at a live action sitcom in the 1950s and 1960s Bringing Up Father: a bunch of shorts, plus six feature films between 1928 and 1950 Dennis the Menace: A sitcom in 1959-1963, numerous films over the decades Flash Gordon: lots of radio and film serials across the 1940s to the 1960s Hazel: An Emmy Award winning sitcom that ran from 1961-1966 Jungle Jim: 16 feature films 1948-1955, a single season TV spin-off in 1955 Popeye: A shitload of cartoon adaptations and a 1980 Robert Altman film Prince Valiant: a 1954 film starring Robert Wagner and Janet Leigh That's very incomplete, omitting less successful attempts to adapt the characters to stage/screen, and probably even more I am overlooking. I don't think there was ever a snobbishness about exploiting the characters in other media, it's just most of them are long forgotten because they're very old. And assuming you mean Annie with the "a hit Broadway musical", that's a different syndicate, but Broadway shows based on comic strips had been happening for decades: Blondie, Bringing Up Father, Lil Abner, Peanuts, and others pre-dated Annie, though none of them were as big a hit as Annie, obviously. Annie had already been adapted to radio and film prior to the Broadway show, so it's not like that syndicate (Tribune, also home to Dick Tracy, who had been adapted into film and television and radio repeatedly) was putting all of its eggs in the musical basket. By the 1980s and beyond, I'm sure there was a level of desperation to modernize/adapt the characters, but it wasn't because they'd snobbishly turned down previous adaptations, it's because they'd been trying to adapt them for 50+ years at this point and none of them were hitting as well as they'd hoped.
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King Features did try to get some of their properties on tv in the 70s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNg5au-TQKo
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot about Moogie makes sense as she's trying to accomplish her society's idea of success while breaking the boundaries and expectations it places on her. loving RIP the old Trading Post. So may lazy Saturday mornings looking through it seeking random treasure. Goddamn crime the idiots in charge didn't turn it into a website, could have made a fortune. Been Australia's ebay.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:loving RIP the old Trading Post. So may lazy Saturday mornings looking through it seeking random treasure. Apparently it was first turned into a website back in '96 (a year after eBay was founded) and in '06 they cancelled all the print versions and became online only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_Post_(newspaper) https://www.tradingpost.com.au/ The internet wayback machine saved a few copies of the earliest pages and they're a real Internet 1.0 time capsule  https://web.archive.org/web/19970801000000*/https://www.tradingpost.com.au/ You can actually read through the listings in some of them, it's quite the nostalgia trip
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Apparently it was first turned into a website back in '96 (a year after eBay was founded) and in '06 they cancelled all the print versions and became online only. Remember what they took from us
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Megillah Gorilla posted:That's the beauty of it, it doesn't do anything. o god not again
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I AM GRANDO posted:King Features did try to get some of their properties on tv in the 70s: And again in the 90s with an absolutely wild cyberpunk storyline and art by the character designer for Aeon Flux. I'm 5 episodes in, and drat if it isn't really good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL0-spytMis&t=1s
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Didn't Dean Cain star in the film adaptation? I never saw it even though I was a dedicated before-school-Phantom-watcher.
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credburn posted:Didn't Dean Cain star in the film adaptation? That was Billy Zane. I remember enjoying it as a kid, though a guy does get his eyes poked out. The villain is extremely camp.
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SLAM EVIL
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The Phantom, The Shadow, and The Rocketeer were the holy trifecta of kids movies about super heroes in the early 90s.
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/\/\ The Rocketeer was my favorite movie as a kid growing up, but I haven't seen it in so long. I'm worried it sucks  Autisanal Cheese posted:That was Billy Zane. It occurred to me that I couldn't off the top of my head think of who was who in regards to Billy Zane and Dean Cain. So I looked up Dean Cain and wow Talk about media that hasn't aged well. Like, everything that guy has said aloud in the last half decade is pretty atrocious.
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Just imagine a world where they were successful and we get a cinematic universe of old timey era hero movies anchored by Alec Baldwin, Billy Zane, and Billy Campbell.
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credburn posted:/\/\ The Rocketeer was my favorite movie as a kid growing up, but I haven't seen it in so long. I'm worried it sucks The Rocketeer is one of my all-time favourites. I watched it pretty recently and, yeah, it’s still fantastic. Timothy Dalton and Alan Arkin in particular are great, and I was delighted to spot bit part cameos by Rom from Deep Space Nine and Art from Night Court. James Horner’s score is also one of my all-time favourites.
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credburn posted:/\/\ The Rocketeer was my favorite movie as a kid growing up, but I haven't seen it in so long. I'm worried it sucks He's number two or three on the list of 'famous actors that chuds say aren't infected with the woke mind virus'.
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credburn posted:/\/\ The Rocketeer was my favorite movie as a kid growing up, but I haven't seen it in so long. I'm worried it sucks I think it's aged pretty well.
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Got it! Dean Cain: bad Rocketeer: good
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credburn posted:/\/\ The Rocketeer was my favorite movie as a kid growing up, but I haven't seen it in so long. I'm worried it sucks There was a recent TV series sequel on Disney Jnr aimed at kids aged 2-5. The villains included an evil food truck chef, an evil extreme sports athlete, an evil stage magician, etc etc.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Ea9vMFSBU I really don't know what the thinking was behind this series, it's obviously not aimed at fans of the original film. I guess maybe they were trying to keep the IP alive and create a new generation of fans, and priming the pump for a new film? In any case it got cancelled after only one season. The original was always supposed to be the first in a trilogy and Billy Campbell's contract locked him in for another two films but it was a disappointment at the box office so the planned sequels were cancelled. Disney had actually increased the film's $25m shooting budget to $35m because they were so impressed with the dailies and they had a gigantic amount of merchandising and actions figures and product tie-ins planned, they really expected it to be huge. The NES sidescrolling platform game was a pretty lackluster effort with a distinct lack of flying throughout the majority of the game. The toys that actually made it onto shelves were also pretty lovely:  Here's the guys from Toy Biz at a panel back in 2008 about all the toys they designed which didn't make it to production describing how they tried to get the rights to produce a Rocketeer action figure but Disney just weren't interested. Just listen to the crowd's reaction when that slide comes up onto the screen.  There has been a few action figures releases in recent years, including a 1970s-Kenner-style 'retro' Funko ReAction figureDisney announced back in 2012 that they were planning a reboot and they make a new announcement every few years but it doesn't seem to be progressing much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rocketeer_(film)#Sequel Fun fact: the film's director Joe Johnston co-created the design of Boba Fett and also designed The Iron Giant and his experience on period superhero films later helped earned him a gig directing Captain America: The First Avenger
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