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Finster Dexter posted:One day, someone at MS started making GBS threads their pants because they noticed that text editors like Atom, Sublime, etc. were gaining popularity on Windows and weren't the exclusive territory of Mac/Linux devs anymore. So, they built their own extensible text editor (basically a copy of Sublime in MANY ways). Thus, VS code is born. It's for people that don't want to fire up a whole freaking IDE just to edit some lovely nodejs script. wtf this is not a field i expected them to embrace and extend
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Oct 15, 2016 11:33
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what's next, a vi fork for their windows bash thing?
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Oct 15, 2016 11:34
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Doc Hawkins posted:what's next, a vi fork for their windows bash thing? please don't bash windows, you'll trigger shaggar
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Oct 15, 2016 11:47
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vs code also has intellisense and debugging for c# and it's really good
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Oct 15, 2016 11:52
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that this was rob pike's response to being asked why go collections dont have map or filter i want to punch almost every person who replied to that thread quote:Newbies should learn the language they're trying to learn. quote:the modern programmer's mentality appears to be that the best program quote:Functional programming languages have features which make sense for how the user is expected to program in them: quote:Yet another bikeshed colour discussion. And of course, Go's Godwin, the generics, are added to the topic. quote:I was replying specifically to the comment I quoted: "Applying a
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Oct 15, 2016 12:14
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NihilCredo posted:i want to punch almost every person who replied to that thread That's insanely dumb.
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Oct 15, 2016 12:49
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How does go deal with collections if it doesn't have generics?
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Oct 15, 2016 12:50
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pointsofdata posted:How does go deal with collections if it doesn't have generics? poorly
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Oct 15, 2016 12:51
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NihilCredo posted:
let's not add this good thing, because it's a slippery slope that might lead to adding other good things
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Oct 15, 2016 12:51
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Soricidus posted:poorly explicit loops and casting. it's like early java in that respect lol
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Oct 15, 2016 12:52
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I think generics might be one of the features which are blocked because they might add 3% to tha big g's build times. So, a bad reason, but a real one, as opposed to the ignorant busywork-is-good arguments deployed against map and filter.
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Oct 15, 2016 13:02
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found this old scsreenshot and thouhght of this thread
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Oct 15, 2016 14:55
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that's a lot of weed
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Oct 15, 2016 16:15
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Hashkell can provide you with infinite weed
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Oct 15, 2016 17:18
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vs code is good go is okay. not every language needs every feature. its a fantastic language to write cross-platform cli tools in for instance. its bad for complex applications. i still don't understand how k8s functions as well as it does.
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Oct 15, 2016 17:25
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gonadic io posted:it's like early java in that respect lol
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Oct 15, 2016 17:51
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the special snowflake viewpoint that every language has its purpose and good points and since they are turing complete and not actively malicious against the user like malbolge is poisonous and results in poo poo like nodejs being used for general purpose applications i grant that you can absolutely do useful and productive things with these languages like golang, but some people dont like spending their lives being a literal human compiler for an inferior language you can't just ignore these terrible langs getting traction as evident by cases like MononcQc. I think you have to criticize them relentlessly.
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Oct 15, 2016 18:00
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comedyblissoption posted:the special snowflake viewpoint that every language has its purpose and good points and since they are turing complete and not actively malicious against the user like malbolge is poisonous and results in poo poo like nodejs being used for general purpose applications there's some top tier irony to complaining about the 'all langs are beautiful' viewpoint when mononc is complaining about erlang being legacied in favor of golang lmao
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Oct 15, 2016 18:25
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i mean i like the dude and he's probably 20x the computertoucher that i am but we ain't talking about people throwing away java in favor of go here
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Oct 15, 2016 18:26
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rob pike, wearing his pink shirt and weirdo glasses: good news everybody, i've got a new langauge that is fantastic at writing cross-platform cli tools perl users, sarcastically: great python users, sarcastically: great etc
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Oct 15, 2016 18:26
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a good dynamically typed language is probably better than a bad statically typed language i dont know erlang so idk where on the spectrum it lies but MononcQc certainly thinks erlang was superior for the problem domain
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Oct 15, 2016 18:27
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hifi posted:rob pike, wearing his pink shirt and weirdo glasses: good news everybody, i've got a new langauge that is fantastic at writing cross-platform cli tools neither of those languages are good for that hth
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Oct 15, 2016 18:29
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if you're in a cross-platform environment and your first step is 'install python/ruby/perl/whatever' then you have already failed
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Oct 15, 2016 18:30
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uncurable mlady posted:if you're in a cross-platform environment and your first step is 'install python/ruby/perl/whatever' then you have already failed whats the right answer? i want to say java but i think that might be Controversial and i'm not even sure i would agree w/r/t certain aspects
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Oct 15, 2016 18:38
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java/jvm lang/C#/F# is fine if you don't care about start-up time of the CLI program (assuming the .net cross platform poo poo isn't pixie dust) otherwise the only other langs that are statically typed I can think of w/o significant start-up time are probably like some cross-platform ML, haskell, C++, rust any of these langs are gonna be better than golang
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Oct 15, 2016 18:43
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uncurable mlady posted:if you're in a cross-platform environment and your first step is 'install python/ruby/perl/whatever' then you have already failed well yes, because it means you've chosen the weird handful of platforms that don't always have perl and python installed as a matter of course and how does 'install a go compiler' improve on this, anyway? unless you're starting by building binaries of your code for every target platform, which is way more complicated than just installing interpreter binaries that someone else has already built and packaged.
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Oct 15, 2016 18:46
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when I criticize go, this is the type of nauseating stuff I am criticizing reversing an array in golang is apparently an ordeal because go is adamantly against extraordinarily useful features http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19239449/how-do-i-reverse-an-array-in-go criticism of golang about how you have to reverse: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11860024 further down on a golanger's justification of you should handroll reverse every time it's not a big deal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11860079 having a reasonably usable sort (idk how reasonable it actually is) took a major golang language update. and this genericity introduced for sort only is special cased on sort afaik. I don't understand how golangers can get away with saying the language is for those who want to be productive or that it makes people productive
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Oct 15, 2016 18:48
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uncurable mlady posted:vs code is good go makes writing solid code easy, it's very pragmatic and boring, which is why it's actually good. hifi posted:rob pike, wearing his pink shirt and weirdo glasses: good news everybody, i've got a new langauge that is fantastic at writing cross-platform cli tools lol, i take it you haven't spent much time with perl or python
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Oct 15, 2016 18:51
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Soricidus posted:unless you're starting by building binaries of your code for every target platform, which is way more complicated than just installing interpreter binaries that someone else has already built and packaged. are you literally retarded? crosscompiling is not "way more complicated than just installing interpreter binaries" (and the part you didn't say: then managing all the godawful pip or gem or cpan or what the gently caress ever thigns your piece of poo poo software needs to run and just completely loving fails at setting up all the time)
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Oct 15, 2016 18:54
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Soricidus posted:well yes, because it means you've chosen the weird handful of platforms that don't always have perl and python installed as a matter of course cross-compilation with golang is literally a one-liner. it spits out static binaries. and i work at a place that's mostly windows - if i want to write tools that everyone can use, i don't have a lot of options. golang is literally the most boring poo poo to write in the world in a lot of ways, but i feel like most of the people who knock it have never tried it.
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Oct 15, 2016 18:55
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i used it and got mad when i had to use the json library
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Oct 15, 2016 18:58
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the label boring is fine as long as this term is not misleadingly conflated with productivity or readability of the code
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Oct 15, 2016 19:04
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yeah i have my beefs with go's design but isn't the deployment story like, one of the killer features?
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Oct 15, 2016 19:07
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the go ecosystem and tooling has some decent ideas that are propagating elsewhere that doesn't mean that this tooling or ideas outweighs go's downsides or that golang somehow has exclusivity over it
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Oct 15, 2016 19:19
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:are you literally retarded? crosscompiling is not "way more complicated than just installing interpreter binaries" (and the part you didn't say: then managing all the godawful pip or gem or cpan or what the gently caress ever thigns your piece of poo poo software needs to run and just completely loving fails at setting up all the time) cross compilation is an extra step that is unnecessary with the alternatives. and I've never had any difficulty with dependencies, so i could just as easily ask whether it is you that is retarded, if I was feeling like being inexplicably hostile in the terrible programmers thread
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Oct 15, 2016 19:22
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i think i posted this before, but at the time i heard all the go peoples arguments about how you dont need generics i was elbow-deep in somebody's c++ (98/03 vintage) code where the author had (a) decided to roll their own stack class and (b) come up with a terrible api and (c) botched the implementation
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Oct 15, 2016 19:22
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it's not even generic types or map or filter. it's even stupider than that. you can't even have a typesafe reverse function on arrays without the golang compiler writers blessing you with this use case. the prescriptive golang solutions to this problem are patently absurd. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19239449/how-do-i-reverse-an-array-in-go https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11860079 I would categorize this situation as "infuriating" rather than "boring" if I had to use golang
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Oct 15, 2016 19:36
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Baking the literal existence of GitHub and depending on "eh, whatever HEAD is pointing to right this second, I guess" into not just your build system but your loving module system is a PHP-tier level of pants on head retardation. I guess I could live with having to cast in and out of collections constantly. I mean, I've got a few Java projects of my own that use a lot of generic types and the generic type signatures of some of my abstract base classes are absolutely horrifying. So I can see that trade-off being potentially worthwhile. Though mostly all I do with those bases is derive from them and plug types into the type variables, write a forwarding constructor, and expose it to the dependency injector. Inheritance is usually very bad.
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I have written and reviewed go code. Cross-compilation is indeed easy (especially compared to Haskell, which I gave up on figuring out). Something which amazed me: Pike has gone on record that the cli use-case was a coincidence, and he was actually trying to make a language suited for large systems, probably ones providing web services. It's very much driven by Google's needs and methods. The unversioned dependency thing is because they have a single source repo for ALL their code, so it all gets tested and changed in lock-step: you can't change the Gmail api without also changing the Android mail app in the same commit, so who needs version numbers? comedyblissoption posted:http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19239449/how-do-i-reverse-an-array-in-go lol I've never seen this one, and it's fantastic
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