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It will blast me with advertisements because I had the audacity to use discord. That sucks.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It will blast me with advertisements because I had the audacity to use discord. That sucks. True but I doubt Discord Nitro was gonna keep them afloat forever.  unfortunately.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:07
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Then they should distribute a Totally-Not-IRC server to go along with the Totally-Not-IRC client I already downloaded - I didn't need or want their hosting anyway.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:15
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John Murdoch posted:Plus it'll include a universal launcher function that will scrape your machine for all available games and do the hard work for you That's more of an argument against than in its favour — I really wish fewer apps did this since they all invariably end up failing to do any useful work whatsoever other than demand constant updates to be able to misidentify even more games.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:15
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Then they should distribute a Totally-Not-IRC server to go along with the Totally-Not-IRC client I already downloaded - I didn't need or want their hosting anyway. Another option would be to have a DiscordLite available that was just classic Discord without the game launcher and storefront, but regardless of what you and I would prefer they want to get paid, and there's only so many ways to do that, especially when your app is free.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:27
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DrNutt posted:Another option would be to have a DiscordLite available that was just classic Discord without the game launcher and storefront, but regardless of what you and I would prefer they want to get paid, and there's only so many ways to do that, especially when your app is free.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:36
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah I'm not confused by their decision, I just don't like it. A third option is a third party makes a client that interoperates with discord without all the nonsense (premium emojis are already pretty silly). Tbf I have many times thought about subbing to Nitro solely for the ability to use all the wacky SA emojis across all discord channels. I'm part of the problem.  Like the SA PUBG discord channel has some loving great ones.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:38
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DrNutt posted:Tbf I have many times thought about subbing to Nitro solely for the ability to use all the wacky SA emojis across all discord channels. I'm part of the problem. Someone did it for pidgin(which...seems to have a rudimentary discord plugin) back in the day but that's easier since it was just client-side.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:45
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John Murdoch posted:Not only do most people already use Discord, but at this point more people taking a crack at Steam's market share is only a good thing. Plus it'll include a universal launcher function that will scrape your machine for all available games and do the hard work for you, which will help take the sting out of using "yet another launcher". Yeah, this is the first one of these "new launcher" things where I might actually migrate over. If they do a deal like let me keep my Steam library in the transition I might make the jump.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:59
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Rookersh posted:Yeah, this is the first one of these "new launcher" things where I might actually migrate over. If they do a deal like let me keep my Steam library in the transition I might make the jump. I mean you will be able to launch Steam games from their launcher but there's no way they'll give you the games on their service just because you already have them on another.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:03
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trip report:  bonus trip report: 
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Aug 9, 2018 21:18
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Is this a game you gotta know computers and coding for or is it abstracted in such a way that anyone can make sense of it?
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Aug 9, 2018 21:21
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Real hurthling! posted:Is this a game you gotta know computers and coding for or is it abstracted in such a way that anyone can make sense of it? column A and column B Knowing programming skills will help you, but it's a very simple instruction set that you can treat as like shorthand for a flowchart of behaviors for your little EXA units.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:25
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its coding, but pared right back to the core basics. the zine even includes a handy beginners guide!
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Real hurthling! posted:Is this a game you gotta know computers and coding for or is it abstracted in such a way that anyone can make sense of it?
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Aug 9, 2018 21:37
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Then they should distribute a Totally-Not-IRC server to go along with the Totally-Not-IRC client I already downloaded - I didn't need or want their hosting anyway. If they let you run your own server there's no way for them to Big Data every word you've ever seen or said. DrNutt posted:I mean you will be able to launch Steam games from their launcher but there's no way they'll give you the games on their service just because you already have them on another. GOG does for some games.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:42
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So why did Steam Machines fail and could they have possibly succeeded of executed correctly?
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Aug 9, 2018 22:32
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punk rebel ecks posted:So why did Steam Machines fail and could they have possibly succeeded of executed correctly? No one wanted them and Steam more or less immediately dropped support for them, even going so far as to just straight up ghost a couple of the manufacturers, the moment they realized that. And in the way they were presented, a Steam OS console for your PC games, no probably not.
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Aug 9, 2018 22:34
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It's also possible Valve saw the immediate failure of the Windows app store and Windows RT and realized Steam Machines weren't quite so necessary as they initially thought. They're still paying people to work on Steam for Linux and Linux itself so who knows if that's institutional inertia or they're hedging their bets.
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Aug 9, 2018 22:39
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punk rebel ecks posted:So why did Steam Machines fail and could they have possibly succeeded of executed correctly? They were a solution in need of a problem based on a hunch that Gabe Newell had about computer buying habits in the US from his career at Microsoft. What he didn't understand was that the Xbox existed. To be successful he should have launched steam machines in the year 2000.
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Aug 9, 2018 22:40
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punk rebel ecks posted:So why did Steam Machines fail and could they have possibly succeeded of executed correctly? because they cost more than a console and ran only linux games years before unity made linux support easy so they didnt even have a better library than a console
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Propaganda Hour posted:They were a solution in need of a problem based on a hunch that Gabe Newell had about computer buying habits in the US from his career at Microsoft. What he didn't understand was that the Xbox existed. To be successful he should have launched steam machines in the year 2000. This take is completely wrong -- everything Valve has been doing lately is based around promoting the use of the Steam client because they're worried that some other store will replace them. They added Early Access because people were dumb enough to buy unfinished games (Minecraft, Kickstarter, etc.), Steam Greenlight and Steam Direct were them worrying about near misses like Stardew Valley (which they claim would've been rejected from Steam before Greenlight because nobody at Valve liked it), SteamVR exists because it requires powerful PC gaming hardware that the consoles couldn't provide when they originally started the project and also conveniently requires the Steam client, Big Picture exists to compete with consoles on your living room TV, the Steam Controller is an attempt to bring the entire Steam library you already own onto your living room TV and when it didn't set the world on fire they broadened it to Steam Input which lets you use basically any gamepad manufactured in the last 15 years to control any PC game you launch through Steam, Steam In-Home Streaming requires the Steam client on both machines or a Steam Link (which only works with the Steam client), Steam Broadcasts were a response to Twitch (which is now a game store) and the Steam Chat update is a direct response to the popularity of Discord, which (surprise!) is trying to turn itself into a game store.
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punk rebel ecks posted:So why did Steam Machines fail and could they have possibly succeeded of executed correctly? Steam exists cause games Steam machine runs linux....no games
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Aug 9, 2018 23:10
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pseudorandom name posted:This take is completely wrong -- everything Valve has been doing lately is based around promoting the use of the Steam client because they're worried that some other store will replace them. And SteamOS (which the steambox used) was created in fear of the Windows/Microsoft store introduced in Windows 8.
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Aug 9, 2018 23:23
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Mokinokaro posted:And SteamOS (which the steambox used) was created in fear of the Windows/Microsoft store introduced in Windows 8. Yeah, I sort of mentioned that up the page. It it wasn't only the Windows App Store, it was also Windows RT, the version of Windows that refused to run any applications that didn't come from the App Store. Microsoft will never stop trying to eliminate third-party software sales on the Windows platform, they want that money and it goes a long way towards eliminating their malware problem.
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Aug 9, 2018 23:28
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Amd just built a standardized apu pc for china. Have to see how that goes.
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John Murdoch posted:Not only do most people already use Discord, but at this point more people taking a crack at Steam's market share is only a good thing. Plus it'll include a universal launcher function that will scrape your machine for all available games and do the hard work for you, which will help take the sting out of using "yet another launcher". The main part that sucks about the scraping is that most of those games will first launch whatever launcher they were purchased on and then launch the game. Unless its like GOG galaxy or something.
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Aug 9, 2018 23:32
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pseudorandom name posted:Microsoft will never stop trying to eliminate third-party software sales on the Windows platform, they want that money and it goes a long way towards eliminating their malware problem. At the same time, they never will completely lock down Windows as feared because backwards compatibility is a big advantage Windows has for the business world.
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Mokinokaro posted:At the same time, they never will completely lock down Windows as feared because backwards compatibility is a big advantage Windows has for the business world. No problem, if you want to run an arbitrary Win32 business application, you can buy Windows Enterprise Desktop 2026 Edition for only $749.99 per PC (volume discounts apply).
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Aug 10, 2018 00:14
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pseudorandom name posted:Yeah, I sort of mentioned that up the page. It it wasn't only the Windows App Store, it was also Windows RT, the version of Windows that refused to run any applications that didn't come from the App Store. It didn't refuse to run desktop programs, rather it literally couldn't. WinRT was made for 32bit ARM7 CPUs, which is incapable of running anything from the Win32 environment (at least at the time). So all you could have was the app store.
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Aug 10, 2018 00:25
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Click on the Quake Con banner... a stream of Elder Scrolls card game loads. The gently caress happened to you games?
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Too Shy Guy posted:The end result of the creative world-building and solid gunplay feels situated between classic DOOM and Anodyne, and that’s a space I’m very happy to see occupied. This sounds cool so I bought it. Your description made it sound like my favorite Half-Life mod, HalfQuake: Amen I can't wait for the other Anodyne-like FPS, Anodyne 2. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Rocket Pan posted:It didn't refuse to run desktop programs, rather it literally couldn't. WinRT was made for 32bit ARM7 CPUs, which is incapable of running anything from the Win32 environment (at least at the time). So all you could have was the app store. They had a full port of Win32 to ARM to make Office run on Windows RT because the Office team (correctly, LOL) refused to port to the Windows App Store. Somebody figured out how to jailbreak the thing and poked around in the kernel with a debugger, there's a simple variable that controls the behavior (allow only Microsoft signed Win32 applications, allow any Win32 application). The functionality to disable third-party applications is completely generic and could be shipped on x86 Windows with approximately zero effort.
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pseudorandom name posted:They had a full port of Win32 to ARM to make Office run on Windows RT because the Office team (correctly, LOL) refused to port to the Windows App Store. Somebody figured out how to jailbreak the thing and poked around in the kernel with a debugger, there's a simple variable that controls the behavior (allow only Microsoft signed Win32 applications, allow any Win32 application). The functionality to disable third-party applications is completely generic and could be shipped on x86 Windows with approximately zero effort. Yes, that naturally ran slower and didn't support all APIs. Obviously something not ready for prime time outside of edge-case software. Edit: Actually reading up on it the x86 emulation (Win86emu) was 3rd party, it never came from Microsoft. A jail broken device could still only run ARM compiled applications without it. I also can't find anything on Office being x86 on WinRT. Rocket Pan fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Valve's been up to increasingly lovely things for a good long while now and if you're gung ho to keep forking money over to them, you ought to pay more attention. I'm all for something besides Steam getting some market share, extra launcher be damned.
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Rocket Pan posted:Yes, that naturally ran slower and didn't support all APIs. Obviously something not ready for prime time outside of edge-case software. Yeah, Windows RT never ran x86 executables. My point was they built a version of Windows that explicitly forbade third-party software sales and all of the functionality to do that it also exists in the x86 version. You can turn it on right now, if you want, its in the Apps & features settings. There's also GPOs for it.
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I just like you you said my take was completely wrong and then made 5 posts proving my point and agreeing with me. That's amazing to see all on one page.
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Aug 10, 2018 01:28
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I am 100% okay with a curated Discord vidjagaem store. I open that program every day unlike Origin, Uplay, bnet, etc.
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Aug 10, 2018 01:33
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Cryohazard posted:I mean, did anyone even want more Torchlight? Did anyone even finish Torchlight II?
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Propaganda Hour posted:I just like you you said my take was completely wrong and then made 5 posts proving my point and agreeing with me. That's amazing to see all on one page. What's computer buying habits have to do with the threat of competing game stores and shutting out third-party software sales?
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