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Invicta{HOG}, M.D.
Jan 16, 2002
Another ambiguous line was the on to the effect that Felix's "personality should have been screened out as an embryo"

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I think the park just reset Lawrence's loop. He still says hes the most wanted man around.

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax

El Hefe posted:

that black dude that was getting serviced gave himself at least a few tugs to get there

he had a half chub

nah he was limp

wouldnt want to be around when that monster gets woke up tho

Crash74
May 11, 2009
Is black robo dong chat better than how does the bullets work chat :clint:?

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

Another ambiguous line was the on to the effect that Felix's "personality should have been screened out as an embryo"

Someone bumped your perception, didn't they?

Invicta{HOG}, M.D.
Jan 16, 2002

im gay posted:

That black robot's dong was loving huge.

How do you cast that actor? What does the casting call look like?

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Doggles posted:

That's what I'm thinking. Could explain why there are discrepancies between some jump cuts.

Like when she has the gun on the dresser in her house, and then all of a sudden it's gone. Another example is when she sees the well in Las Mudas. There's the little girl drawing the maze in the sand and then when William walks up to her both the girl and the drawing are gone. Pretty sure the maze was not burned onto the coffins at the end originally, then when we see her by herself it's there.

I'm thinking we're seeing parallel trips of Dolores seeking out the maze. The first with William and then once again later by herself.
We're definitely seeing flashbacks (or time skips to different times she's done a particular storyline or whatever) but why are some people adamant on William being in the past and her seeking out the maze by herself being the present? (Aside from trying to shoehorn the multiple storyline thing in, anyway.)

To me it'd make more storytelling sense to flashback to previous times where she's failed, and now we are getting the story of her fully completing the maze. It just happens that this time around includes William in it. Him being one of the guests to treat her like an actual person will most likely have some kind of catalyzing impact as well.

What was the scene where she briefly malfunctioned and her eyes twitched at different times? Anyone remember that? I am curious as to where people would put that in the "timeline."

I'm still not a fan of that theory by the way, although Lawrence being alive in their storyline after we're shown him being drained of blood in MiB's raises some questions about this kind of thing, sure.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Phi230 posted:

I think the park just reset Lawrence's loop. He still says hes the most wanted man around.

It can still be that there are multiple entities of the same personalities.

Once you take Dolores or Teddy outside their basic loops, a new one gets subbed in for the new arrivals.

FooF
Mar 26, 2010

Turbl posted:

While I agree with it seeming plausible one thing that stuck out to me was when MiB is talking to blood-fueled Teddy he says "When this place started I opened up one of you. A million little perfect pieces. And then they changed you, flesh and bone like us." But we see that William's first time there is when they're flesh and blood. So MiB must have gone to the park when the hosts were more mechanical, like the guy Ford talks to at the start, no?

Not to play devil's advocate but that could be due to: a.) despite being mechanical, the hosts still spray blood and whatnot when they're injured (i.e. no one has cut them open in the William/Logan timeline) and/or b.) it's an oversight of the show. Otherwise, I agree with you. The hosts that we saw in the Ford flashback were very much stilted and mechanical when in motion (as is Old Bill) and William/Logan are not dealing with those models.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

How do you cast that actor? What does the casting call look like?

Have you ever questioned the nature of the size of your dong?

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

Another ambiguous line was the on to the effect that Felix's "personality should have been screened out as an embryo"

And the creepo says he really needs this job.

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Man what an episode. The greyhound story at the beginning really set the stage, and I still can't fathom what practical effects they use to make that old robot stutter so realistically like that. It's just so legit.

I don't think there are separate timelines at all. I think the simplest explanation is that sometimes things look different because Delores is mentally reliving her past experiences, and that's gotten some people a bit confused.

The Asian butcher has definitely been trying to get good with a bird so he can mess with hosts. Him and his buddy almost certainly planted that laser transmitter in that host and are up to some sort of monetary gain type stupid embezzlement. They were both paranoid as gently caress when behavior lady showed up, and got all worried about being caught for something.

MiB has nothing to gain from the outside world and through his boredom is searching for something true in the maze. He thinks Arnold found "the meaning of life" or something and is off to find it. Ford acts like he doesn't care but we are going to learn some sick twisted secrets about Ford and Arnold and the park that are buried out there somewhere in consequence for MiB finding what he's looking for. Probably some secret along the lines of just how many people in the real world are actually Hosts.

The previews :stonklol: looks like all hell breaks loose and Maeve is the leader of the hell rebellion. Dolores enters the working area of the park.

I'd bet $10 that Arnold awakens within Dolores and leads her into killing Ford at the end of all this.

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

VendaGoat posted:

At no point, so far as been shown to us, has the point of William opening up a host to see how they work, happened.

ANd at no point has William encountered a herky jerky obviously animatronic robot like the one that Hannibal drinks with down in the basement. If those are the type that the park opened with, William and Logan aren't in some 30 years ago time line inhabited by those shifty robots.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

FooF posted:

Not to play devil's advocate but that could be due to: a.) despite being mechanical, the hosts still spray blood and whatnot when they're injured (i.e. no one has cut them open in the William/Logan timeline) and/or b.) it's an oversight of the show. Otherwise, I agree with you. The hosts that we saw in the Ford flashback were very much stilted and mechanical when in motion (as is Old Bill) and William/Logan are not dealing with those models.

Remember we also got proof positive in the episode of industrial espionage, in regards to the location and workings of the park.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Rad Lieutenant posted:

ANd at no point has William encountered a herky jerky obviously animatronic robot like the one that Hannibal drinks with down in the basement. If those are the type that the park opened with, William and Logan aren't in some 30 years ago time line inhabited by those shifty robots.

Yes, he has, he just hadn't seen Dolores do it in front of him. She Had a blinking episode, in a scene with him, but not in front of him.

Crash74
May 11, 2009

Clocks posted:

I'm still not a fan of that theory by the way, although Lawrence being alive in their storyline after we're shown him being drained of blood in MiB's raises some questions about this kind of thing, sure.

We also saw two delores's in this episode with delores #1 cutting herself up.. so who the gently caress knows?

Sypher
Feb 4, 2003

FooF posted:

Now, I have to ask, what's with the bird? The "butcher" was trying to code and bring the bird back to life (apparently because that would help him climb the company ladder) but I guess I failed to see how that ties into anything else. And I presume the "4th star" on Orion's belt was the satellite the woodcutter was aiming for to transmit data?

I am thinking that him and maeve will develop some sort of storyline where he practices code on her?

Invicta{HOG}, M.D.
Jan 16, 2002

Phi230 posted:

I think the park just reset Lawrence's loop. He still says hes the most wanted man around.

Maybe but I would say that there is at least some difference between the times because I assume Slim wouldn't promise to take guests to see Lawrence last week if the park knew that Lawrence was being drug around by a noose.

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Phi230 posted:

I think the park just reset Lawrence's loop. He still says hes the most wanted man around.

Yep, they meet him the day after MiB kills him. That's why William and Logan had to wait to meet him, because he was in maintenance.

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

Maybe but I would say that there is at least some difference between the times because I assume Slim wouldn't promise to take guests to see Lawrence last week if the park knew that Lawrence was being drug around by a noose.

Maybe the park would've put a different robot in the role for the time being?

El Jeffe fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Oct 31, 2016

TK_421
Aug 26, 2005

I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Just dropping in to express my appreciation for the deep NiN cut in the brothel. gently caress, that was good.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Sypher posted:

I am thinking that him and maeve will develop some sort of storyline where he practices code on her?

No. I think it was a Turing test within a Turing test.

Since robots can now build robots, they are looking for robots that have had sufficient time to become "Human"

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy
I'm glad Lawrence got regenerated into William, Logan, and Dolores's story line, I like him and I was bummed when the MiB killed him.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

ryan_woody posted:

Just dropping in to express my appreciation for the deep NiN cut in the brothel. gently caress, that was good.

Was that what it was? I was wracking my brain to figure out the songs this week?

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
If the whole park is persistent just waiting on someone to discover it, and if William et al are on some rare tangent, does that mean there's a giant golden robot orgy going all the time out in the desert waiting on someone to follow just the right thread to get out there?

How long are our trips to WW? And how often does someone follow that thread? Weeks? Years? Just golden robot orgy for no audience going on years at a time. Waiting.

Junkfist
Oct 7, 2004

FRIEND?
loving Hell show just confirm things already I feel like I'm huffing a diamond-studded fartbox, is this all going to end up in a naked Matrix fight between Maeve and Dolores throwing each other through glass walls or like, what?

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Dolores has tried to break out of her loop before. Ford has confirmed as much.

But this time she has William. She says the voices tell her she needs him. She has a dream about having the same implant as the guy who bashed his own head in, who was sending/receiving coordinates.

Lawrence was back because the Man in Black killed him, so they went and got him and put him back on his loop.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Huxley posted:

If the whole park is persistent just waiting on someone to discover it, and if William et al are on some rare tangent, does that mean there's a giant golden robot orgy going all the time out in the desert waiting on someone to follow just the right thread to get out there?

How long are our trips to WW? And how often does someone follow that thread? Weeks? Years? Just golden robot orgy for no audience going on years at a time. Waiting.

Yes. it is.

According to the poo poo, you pick an entry point and then have up to a month in "Game time"

All the while golden robot orgies commence.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

VendaGoat posted:

Yes. it is.

According to the poo poo, you pick an entry point and then have up to a month in "Game time"

All the while golden robot orgies commence.

Nice.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Welcome to Eyes Wide Shut World

Im surprised. Is this the most pornographic HBO has gotten? Besides their porn series obviously.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005
Alright cowpokes, time for me to watch the walking dead.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I also wonder if the park does seasonal attractions. Would love a Halloween Zombie Western like in RDR

TK_421
Aug 26, 2005

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

VendaGoat posted:

Was that what it was? I was wracking my brain to figure out the songs this week?

It was "Something I Can Never Have", specifically the piano arrangement off of the album "Still". The song was previously released on Pretty Hate Machine, though I prefer the stripped down version on "Still".

Junkfist
Oct 7, 2004

FRIEND?
Elsie: We've tracked the signal of those implant trackers, they're coming from the moon!

Bernard: ...which one? Phobos or Deimos?

Ford enters. Unzips his skin. Bernard's dead son emerges.

"It was all for you, Dad"

Paulocaust
Jan 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
If you still doubt the two timelines you are a dummy that's not paying attention.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Since hosts improvise to account for the absence of other hosts when they go off of their loop or are preoccupied with a guest and since El Lazo was mentioned before Lawrence was killed by the MiB, why were William and Logan being lead to an encounter with El Lazo when Lawrence was with the MiB? No one could have known when the MiB was going to kill Lawrence or even that he was going to kill him so Lawrence could be reset and put back into his El Lazo loop.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Junkfist posted:

Elsie: We've tracked the signal of those implant trackers, they're coming from the moon!

Bernard: ...which one? Phobos or Deimos?

Ford enters. Unzips his skin. Bernard's dead son emerges.

"It was all for you, Dad"
Ford is Kuato.

Sypher
Feb 4, 2003

Mr. Apollo posted:

Since hosts improvise to account for the absence of other hosts when they go off of their loop or are preoccupied with a guest and since El Lazo was mentioned before Lawrence was killed by the MiB, why were William and Logan being lead to an encounter with El Lazo when Lawrence was with the MiB? No one could have known when the MiB was going to kill Lawrence or even that he was going to kill him so Lawrence could be reset and put back into his El Lazo loop.

I am sure they have alternate story lines to fill for such occasions.

I.E. if Lawrence is not present, someone else greets slim informing him of Lawrence absence and takes his place.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Mr. Apollo posted:

Since hosts improvise to account for the absence of other hosts when they go off of their loop or are preoccupied with a guest and since El Lazo was mentioned before Lawrence was killed by the MiB, why were William and Logan being lead to an encounter with El Lazo when Lawrence was with the MiB? No one could have known when the MiB was going to kill Lawrence or even that he was going to kill him so Lawrence could be reset and put back into his El Lazo loop.

I assume if MiB hadn't killed him, the part would have just been recast with a different host.

Assuming the stories are taking place at the same time etc etc.

nopants
May 29, 2004

Phi230 posted:

Welcome to Eyes Wide Shut World

Im surprised. Is this the most pornographic HBO has gotten? Besides their porn series obviously.

They didn't show much. A few shots of pubic hair. A quick shot or two of dongs. Some simulated sex and oral that didn't show anything. HBO needs to grow up and show full penetration and a lot of it.

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El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Mr. Apollo posted:

Since hosts improvise to account for the absence of other hosts when they go off of their loop or are preoccupied with a guest and since El Lazo was mentioned before Lawrence was killed by the MiB, why were William and Logan being lead to an encounter with El Lazo when Lawrence was with the MiB? No one could have known when the MiB was going to kill Lawrence or even that he was going to kill him so Lawrence could be reset and put back into his El Lazo loop.

We know the park is treating MiB specially, so maybe they were prepared to temporarily fill the role with a different robot. But they only ended up needing El Lazo shortly after MiB offed him so they just didn't bother and repaired him instead.

e: so beaten

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