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The civil war was loving stupid.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:The civil war was loving stupid. We'll get ready for the big arguments about how to mark it as we kick off the 100 year anniversary.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:04
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kustomkarkommando posted:We'll get ready for the big arguments about how to mark it as we kick off the 100 year anniversary. I'd imagine they'll make less of a big deal of it than they did the '16 rising. But I guess that'll depend on how the government turns out.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:06
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Also SF just hit 36 and looks like they can still pick up one more seat
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Feb 10, 2020 15:07
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Can’t wait for a new bank holiday for reunification day
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Feb 10, 2020 15:09
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EmmyOk posted:Can’t wait for a new bank holiday for reunification day Two new bank holidays you mean, finally you too can experience the 12th
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Feb 10, 2020 15:11
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https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1226866778271297536?s=19 FF could be the biggest party by a mere two seats - feels like any coalition coming out of this is gonna be a partnership of equals deal. Rotating Taoiseach may finally happen
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Feb 10, 2020 15:17
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I'd laugh my hole off if SF ends up the majority party.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:19
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gently caress off please 
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Feb 10, 2020 15:33
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That's loving hilarious though. In earnest though, people should really think about nationalism and how it's not actually a good thing a bit more.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:35
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kustomkarkommando posted:https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1226866778271297536?s=19 do you reckon they'll go through with a SF-FF coalition? it seems to me to be more in SF's interest to try and force a FF-FG coalition and try to set themselves up as the opposition to that
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Feb 10, 2020 15:37
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V. Illych L. posted:do you reckon they'll go through with a SF-FF coalition? it seems to me to be more in SF's interest to try and force a FF-FG coalition and try to set themselves up as the opposition to that They'd be loving themselves in the long run if they do go in with FF but who knows. FF/FG would absolutely be the death of both of those parties I think.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:44
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V. Illych L. posted:do you reckon they'll go through with a SF-FF coalition? it seems to me to be more in SF's interest to try and force a FF-FG coalition and try to set themselves up as the opposition to that I mean if Mary Lou gets to be Taoiseach at some point (especially immediately preceeding the next election) and they get their headline policy of a rent freeze it is a big net gain for them - another period of opposition might work out well but the danger of losing momentum is probably hovering at the back of their minds (I'm sure they are little bit nervous at HQ at the sheer size of this swing). I'm not really sure if FG are eager to prop up FF at the minute, there is still a sizeable Never Shinner electorate they will be looking to start leaning in to whispering to build back their vote share - an FF/SF deal would actually suit them in that regards. FF probably don't want to be associated to closely with FG and will probably triangulate to start picking up SF policies on certain issues regardless after they've demonstrated their popularity. I could see them maybe making a deal with FG but I think that's gonna be extremely low on parties priority list.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:46
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Is there anything to be said for a broad left coalition
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Feb 10, 2020 15:50
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Is there a procedure for what happens if they just spend this time shaking their fists at one another never agreeing to coalesce?
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Feb 10, 2020 15:51
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EmmyOk posted:Is there anything to be said for a broad left coalition Azza Bamboo posted:Is there a procedure for what happens if they just spend this time shaking their fists at one another never agreeing to coalesce? I don't know of anything official but if it becomes intractable, Leo would have to ask Michael to dissolve the parliament again and there'd be another election.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:54
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Azza Bamboo posted:Is there a procedure for what happens if they just spend this time shaking their fists at one another never agreeing to coalesce? It's never actually happened - the government formation procedure is actually pretty loosely defined. Rather than any one party being given first dibs or appointed to attempt to form a coalition the Irish system is a simultaneous free for all - any party can nominate a Taoiseach when the Dail meets and they all vote on this. This will probably get repeated a couple of times tbh regardless but negotiations will be happening all over the place between everyone at the same time. It took a full 70 days last time. Ultimately if Leo fails in his re-election as Taoiseach, which he will, the power then lies with the President to decide when to dissolve the Dail for a new election - he can refuse Leo's advice to do so (whenever that may come in the subsequent process) if he wishes. Now we've never really had the President get invovled in Government formation so it would be a big constitutional novelty, there was some talk last time Higgins may use his powers to call a joint session of both chambers and basically lecture them to do their jobs (which has never happened before) but he may start flexing his limited constitutional powers if things drag on too long
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Feb 10, 2020 16:03
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EmmyOk posted:Is there anything to be said for a broad left coalition to add to the previous answer, it's tantalisingly close and an obvious goal for the next election if SF decides to go the opposition/gently caress you centrist scum route
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Feb 10, 2020 16:08
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kustomkarkommando posted:Two new bank holidays you mean, finally you too can experience the 12th
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Feb 10, 2020 16:50
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I would happily change religion to get an extra bank holiday. Luckily my current religion (socialism) already believes in maximising holiday days
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Feb 10, 2020 16:53
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Saw this floating about from the exit poll https://twitter.com/RMcGreevy1301/status/1226849060155465728?s=19 cool cool
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Feb 10, 2020 17:20
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kustomkarkommando posted:Saw this floating about from the exit poll seems to conform to the idea that these are anti-establishment or single-issue votes imo
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Feb 10, 2020 17:51
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Ged Nash does it for Labour in Louth against expectations - FF may be struggling to get their seat lead here
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Feb 10, 2020 18:07
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kustomkarkommando posted:Ged Nash does it for Labour in Louth against expectations - FF may be struggling to get their seat lead here FF have been completely locked out. We have 2 SF, 1 FG, 1 LAB, and Fitzpatrick. Disappointed with Fitzpatrick, but happy overall that we managed to expel FF and send a majority of center-left candidates. Wish we sent Deary over Fitzpatrick, and somehow the PBP candidate got in over the FG one.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:21
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oh no how terrible
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Feb 10, 2020 19:19
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https://twitter.com/harrymcgee/status/1226930502843715585?s=19 Shocking news as Shinners Shin at expected velocities
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Feb 10, 2020 19:33
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EmmyOk posted:gently caress off please the standard neolib US legacy media line lately has been "nationalism is Evil* and every country should be run more like Canada or France" (*except for one certain country. now who could guess what country the US media thinks that should be allowed to be nationalistic...)
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Feb 10, 2020 20:02
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FF reduced to a single seat in Donegal with left wing Independent Tom Pringle beating them out - think this means the best they can do now is tie SF in seats???
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Feb 10, 2020 20:12
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The brexit reference is maddening because like 1% of voters said they cared about it
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Feb 10, 2020 20:12
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Troy Queef posted:the standard neolib US legacy media line lately has been "nationalism is Evil* and every country should be run more like Canada or France" nationalism is bad, but my impression is that SF nationalism is more pertaining to a programme of unification with northern ireland than any particularly nationalist ideology
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Feb 10, 2020 20:37
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EmmyOk posted:The brexit reference is maddening because like 1% of voters said they cared about it It's the only Irish-linked political issue they are even vaguely aware off, along with 'The Troubles'. Irish internal politics are entirely unknown to them, and therefore unimportant. (also Sinn Fein did not make irish unification a major part of their election manifesto - it just isn't a pressing issue for the majority of the electorate, and they know it.)
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Feb 10, 2020 20:48
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Sinn Fein can have little a nationalism, as a treat.
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Feb 10, 2020 20:52
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the IRA can blow up a few minor royals, as a treat
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Feb 10, 2020 21:16
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Failed Imagineer posted:the IRA can blow up a few minor royals, as a treat You might have to beat the queen to prince andrew at this rate.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:24
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V. Illych L. posted:nationalism is bad, but my impression is that SF nationalism is more pertaining to a programme of unification with northern ireland than any particularly nationalist ideology I mean they do have other expressions of nationalism that float up when the EU is mentioned, they've long played a double game of the EU is bad because it's a NEO-LIBERAL superstate and also the EU is bad because it violates our sovereignty! This is there official position from the manifesto and you can see how it liberally combines the two in relative equal measures: quote:For too long, a cosy consensus has existed in Irish politics. The consensus extends from economic and
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Feb 10, 2020 21:29
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Also personally I have beef with how they formulate their immigration policy which seems to talk out of both sides of their mouth and treads a very cautious line (considering we've had lads burning down centres for asylum seekers I'd prefer something a good bit more 'gently caress off racist scum')quote:Sinn Féin is determined to avoid the failed policies that have fostered resentments and tensions in other countries. Successive Governments have failed to deliver what is needed in terms of housing and health delivery. They and they alone are responsible for their failures.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:37
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comedy option: FF/FG know they're hosed in the next election whatever happens and they straight up merge into an orthodox national conservative party centrism is dead, woo!!!
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Feb 10, 2020 21:50
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Only two seats to call and they are assuredly FF so final tally is FF 38 SF 37 FG 35 Greens 12 Labour 6 SocDems 6 Sol-PBP 5 Aontu 1 Independents (+Independents4Change) 20 NB FF holds the speakers chair so he got automatically elected, if the Dail keeps him on (unlikely?) effective TDs is only 37
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