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Tubofun
Jul 8, 2009
Hey Jobbo, I found a cool video demonstrating an effective way to use the FW190. Is it cool if I post it in the thread?

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Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!
Yo, speaking of Dick Bong, mind if we bring up other interesting figures of WW2? I don't want to derail anything, but I jump at any opportunity to mention Mad Jack Churchill. He wasn't in the air force, though, so I understand if it's a bit too off topic.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Also the Twin Mustang is the best double engine fighter although it didn't see any combat until Korea.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Tubofun posted:

Hey Jobbo, I found a cool video demonstrating an effective way to use the FW190. Is it cool if I post it in the thread?

Sure, but I haven't gotten to the Fw-190 yet, if you were wondering why I haven't talked about it too much.


Blind Sally posted:

Yo, speaking of Dick Bong, mind if we bring up other interesting figures of WW2? I don't want to derail anything, but I jump at any opportunity to mention Mad Jack Churchill. He wasn't in the air force, though, so I understand if it's a bit too off topic.

Be my guest. As long as it doesn't spiral out of control I don't mind talking about anyone or anything.

I'll even start, Adolf Galland had a custom modification in his Bf-109's: A cigar humidor. That man was a bonafide badass.


Bip Roberts posted:

Also the Twin Mustang is the best double engine fighter although it didn't see any combat until Korea.

Wrong, Bf-109Z was much cooler twin engine variant of a single-engined fighter :colbert:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


You're all wrong, the coolest twin-engine fighter is the Grumman XF5F Skyrocket, because it had its own superhero comic.





Hawk-a-a-a-a-a :911::hf::poland:

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby
The P-38 is my favorite, but as far as German designs go I've always been partial to the less ubiquitous designs, like the Me-410, and especially the He-219.


Just look at that crazy thing. Not only did it have devastating forward firepower of six 20mm cannons, it also had twin-mounted 30mm cannons in schrage musik configuration, firing upwards into the bellies of bombers. In addition to the insane armament, it also had a few features that were ahead of their time, like ejection seats.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

The Casualty posted:

The P-38 is my favorite, but as far as German designs go I've always been partial to the less ubiquitous designs, like the Me-410, and especially the He-219.


Just look at that crazy thing. Not only did it have devastating forward firepower of six 20mm cannons, it also had twin-mounted 30mm cannons in schrage musik configuration, firing upwards into the bellies of bombers. In addition to the insane armament, it also had a few features that were ahead of their time, like ejection seats.

gently caress yeah, Uhu!

Me-410 is cool too, but it feels a lot more "meh" than other twin-engine fighters.

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby

Jobbo_Fett posted:

gently caress yeah, Uhu!

Me-410 is cool too, but it feels a lot more "meh" than other twin-engine fighters.

Admittedly, the snub nose and canopy framing remind me of a Toyota Prius. But, those remote gun turrets are :black101: as gently caress.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Come to think of it the F-22 is a twin engine fighter so that's probably the best twin engine fighter. Radar missiles would make a match with the WWII birds deeply unsporting though. A gun dogfight might be funny to watch with the F-22 boom-and-zooming like crazy.

Balance the fight in terms of 2014 dollars and it would be really funny to watch.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Arglebargle III posted:

Come to think of it the F-22 is a twin engine fighter so that's probably the best twin engine fighter. Radar missiles would make a match with the WWII birds deeply unsporting though. A gun dogfight might be funny to watch with the F-22 boom-and-zooming like crazy.

Balance the fight in terms of 2014 dollars and it would be really funny to watch.

I believe War Thunder had that same sort of thing going on a few years ago. I still remember when I took out an Me-262 with my biplane... Sure, it was one in a million but its about the same :v:

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Is that plane... biting into the wing?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

anilEhilated posted:

Is that plane... biting into the wing?

Yes, it's HUNgry :v:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Tobruk to Sicily Mission 12

Siege of Tobruk: 29 April 1941

"They're sending us on another wild goose chase. High command thinks we'll find something deep inside Allied territory, while I, among others, wonder why we don't set out to bomb the living daylights out of Tobruk. I think my patience in useless patrols may run a little thing today..." -Lorenzo Moretti

Here we go again, flying deep into Allied ground with no rhyme or reason. We're not even escorting anything, just one very long fighter sweep high above the coastline. No matter, at least the Tommies won't be stupid enough to oblige us.




:siren:Mission Video:siren:



I wonder how many lives have been lost assaulting Tobruk, and how many would be spared if we devoted air power against it.



Not much to say about this mission. I got everyone spots, but the game decided that about 3/4 of Allied aircraft were just going to go land, and Axis aircraft either did nothing or attacked a small convoy in the desert. Very little was accomplished on both sides, and I'll be glad when I take the reigns, so to speak, and punch up the action a notch.

Results
Tommy Sparrow: Captured, Ground Kill: 1xBf-109G-2
Jake Preston: Captured
Adrian Owlsley: Captured
Cthulhu Dreams: WIA then KIA, Ground Kill: 1xVolkswagen Type 82
Puna Kone: KIA, Ground Kill: Studebecker truck

Tubofun
Jul 8, 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5_N5WTlNw

It's not just good for the FW 190, either! If we ever decide to set up some multiplayer matches this will help a lot.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
I recently picked up 2 books on air vs air tactics so i could always look them over and post info from them if the thread wants. Might be lacking in commwntary and pic heavy

Soup Inspector
Jun 5, 2013

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I recently picked up 2 books on air vs air tactics so i could always look them over and post info from them if the thread wants. Might be lacking in commwntary and pic heavy

I would be up for that.

And as far as I'm concerned, the SM.79 is easily the coolest looking Italian design from this era and nothing will convince me otherwise. :colbert:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Soup Inspector posted:

I would be up for that.

And as far as I'm concerned, the SM.79 is easily the coolest looking Italian design from this era and nothing will convince me otherwise. :colbert:

:getout:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


One day, AI Me will accomplish something besides being shot down in flames!

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Jobbo_Fett posted:

Tommy Sparrow: Captured, Ground Kill: 1xBf-109G-2

Got a 109! It may have been on the ground but it still counts. :colbert:

Although I suppose for me the war is now over. I hope they have good food in the POW camp.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I recently picked up 2 books on air vs air tactics so i could always look them over and post info from them if the thread wants. Might be lacking in commwntary and pic heavy

I'd like it if you'd comment on maneuvering in the videos. Check out SelenicMartian's strike fighters LP for a good example of someone who explains why he's maneuvering the way he is on the video.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Soup Inspector posted:

And as far as I'm concerned, the SM.79 is easily the coolest looking Italian design from this era and nothing will convince me otherwise. :colbert:

Any of the 5 series planes are immensely cool and much sexier than the hunchback (Was phone posting earlier, sorry)

And I'll try to get some good, long maneuver posts up something during the week.


Endman posted:

Although I suppose for me the war is now over. I hope they have good food in the POW camp.

That's the beauty of infinite lives! You get do-overs-a-plenty.



Arglebargle III posted:

I'd like it if you'd comment on maneuvering in the videos. Check out SelenicMartian's strike fighters LP for a good example of someone who explains why he's maneuvering the way he is on the video.

I'll most likely have some videos that are pure examples of certain maneuvers and how to pull them off. The only reason why I haven't done much commentary on AI plane maneuvers lately is simply because there either hasn't been much dogfighting or I let said dogfighting do the talking. I will definitely keep it in mind to explain it more often.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
So while recording the latest episode I was trying to figure out why the Blenheims looked weird to me. Turns out, the MkIV in this game is the really early (A.K.A. the lovely) version of the bomber. Somehow I'd forgotten that about the MkIV in this game. :downsgun:

I'll try to have the next video up by tomorrow and then start work on a FMB video so you guys can see how awesome the editor is in this game.

E: I've also got some words to say about the in-game recorder next vid

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Sep 21, 2014

Soup Inspector
Jun 5, 2013

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Any of the 5 series planes are immensely cool and much sexier than the hunchback (Was phone posting earlier, sorry)

Okay, let me rephrase that: all of the Italian designs from this era look cool. :v:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Tobruk to Sicily Mission 13

Siege of Tobruk: 30 April 1941

"This time, our commanders wants us to fly to Benghazi to stop an alleged strike by Allied bombers. I don't believe they'll do such a thing, and I let me mechanics know that I want bomblets strapped to my flight of aircraft. If I'm going to be flying over Tobruk, they'll be sure to remember the 153a Squadriglia!" -Lorenzo Moretti


It's another sunny day in the blistering heat of the desert. We're tasked with flying to Benghazi to provide air cover against any attempts at bombing our ships docked in port. We've even got waypoints very close to Tobruk, maybe we should pay them a visit?




:siren:Mission Video:siren:



Lots of downed aircraft, not many deaths.

Hawkeye nabs himself a Blenheim to go along with his truck kills



Easy come, easy go, as they say.



Arglebargle III also makes sure to add to his kill count and is a force to be reckoned with. *He also shot down the right-most icon



But, while some of us were feasting on easy prey, others had a tougher time against more capable opponents



With no physical representation of the fronts, some pilots land in enemy territory on their way back home. I like to think Galaga was able to evade captured



Auditore really hated that AA gun...



It was really hard to pick out individual trucks if they weren't at the top. Sufficed to say we destroying a lot of their trucks




Results
Heavy Buffalo: KIA
Ben Pomson: Captured
Tommy Sparrow: Captured
Lord Flashheart: KIA
Shade Claw: Captured
Tub O'Fun: Captured
Jake Preston: Air Kill 1xRe.2000, Bailed Out
Yvon Mukluk: Air Kill 1xRe.2000
Jek Porkins: Air Kill 1xRe.2000
Arglebargle III: Air Kills 2xBlenheim MkIV
Maarek Stele: Bailed Out
Galaga Galaxian: Captured
Hawkeye E. Hilated: Air Kill 1xBlenheim MkIV, Ground Kills: 6xStudebecker Trucks, Bailed Out
Petrol Blue: Ground Kills 11xStudebecker Trucks, Captured
Alberto Auditore: Ground Kill 1xBofors 40mm, KIA

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Sep 22, 2014

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


I can't wait to get into an MC202. Maybe then AI me will do something! :argh:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Galaga Galaxian posted:

I can't wait to get into an MC202. Maybe then AI me will do something! :argh:

I'll be switching around the spots for the next mission. Can't always have competent people leading flights now can we? :histdowns:

E: And it also lets them have a higher chance of shooting at enemies since they aren't as busy covering their leader

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
:siren:

Thanks to Adrian Owlsley, Co-op Operations can begin

Everyone who plans or would like to be a part should vote what they want as a co-op campaign. I need a Theater, Plane Type, Nation and Year.

So for example: Pacific, Carrier Bomber, United States, 1942, YES to mods

If possible, I'll get some whacky missions transferred to Adrian so that we can also goof around like proper goons.

E: Also, vote if you want mods or not. Mods allow for a poo poo-ton more planes/vehicles/etc

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Sep 23, 2014

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Europe, Ground Attack, UK, 1944

Hawker Typhoon :getin:

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

So what have the Axis bombers been up to? I haven't seen myself or Blind sally much lately.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Veloxyll posted:

So what have the Axis bombers been up to? I haven't seen myself or Blind sally much lately.

Nothing much, oddly enough. Either the game spawns them and has objectives or it spawns them and they quickly... land. :shrug:

It's the main reason why I've taken to editing the missions, there's a distinct lack of variety despite the hundreds of planes available in the game and some in-game missions for flights are ridiculous or pointless.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


I don't care where we go as long as the transit times aren't horrifically long. :v:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Galaga Galaxian posted:

I don't care where we go as long as the transit times aren't horrifically long. :v:

If I'm making the missions (And I will), transit time from airfield to action will typically be 30 mins at the most. That being said, I'll try to make sure that action is plentiful and fun will be the main goal. I can't promise it, but I'll do my best.

It also depends heavily on what type of plane gets chosen too. A carrier fighter needs to take off from, of course, his carrier and if getting to the objective took less than 5 minutes, your flat-top is probably in range of whatever you're attacking.

Besides, there's always the auto-pilot :v:

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Gotta admit, that penultimate bit had me on the edge of my seat. "Run kitty run! Uh... where's that smoke coming from? Crap."

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Jobbo_Fett posted:

If I'm making the missions (And I will), transit time from airfield to action will typically be 30 mins at the most. That being said, I'll try to make sure that action is plentiful and fun will be the main goal. I can't promise it, but I'll do my best.

It also depends heavily on what type of plane gets chosen too. A carrier fighter needs to take off from, of course, his carrier and if getting to the objective took less than 5 minutes, your flat-top is probably in range of whatever you're attacking.

Besides, there's always the auto-pilot :v:

It's fine, just create a Taffy-3 scenario!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Veloxyll posted:

It's fine, just create a Taffy-3 scenario!

Please use spoiler tags ;)



anilEhilated posted:

Gotta admit, that penultimate bit had me on the edge of my seat. "Run kitty run! Uh... where's that smoke coming from? Crap."

At least you didn't die, or get captured :v:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Ok so I ran into a small problem that I somehow managed to achieve and I'm embarrassed it even happened. So while going through the prospects for the vote for the next map, I had shown the Macchi MC.202 Series III photograph but somehow read it as the Macchi MC.202 VII. The Series 7 won't come out for another 4-6 months in the campaign, so the plane will be substituted for the Series 3.

:blush:

I still don't know how I let that go on for so long, I guess my eyes were playing tricks on me. As an apology, I'll be posting up a spotlight on the the MC.202 later, as well as the (40 min long) FMB video and a post on combat maneuvers.

Apologies to those following the LP.


And for those curious, the Series 3 is limited to 2 machine guns in the cowling, so the description was correct in the vote.

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Sep 24, 2014

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Well, certain people (:argh:) seem to do well enough with the 5000 2000's twin fifties, so I guess those same two guns ona better plane is ok. :v:

Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Sep 24, 2014

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Well, certain people (:argh:) seem to do well enough with the 5000's twin fifties, so I guess those same two guns ona better plane is ok. :v:

The 202 should be a marked improvement over the Re.2000 so, hopefully, Axis planes will have a better chance at surviving enemy encounters.

Also, not-really-spoilers, we've reached the next part of the campaign! Operation Crusader begins :black101:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Full Mission Builder Showcase

An introduction to building missions with the in-game editor. It's very in-depth and amazing. I spent a long time showing stuff off and I barely had anything set up. While it is very time consuming, the power and complexity that can be achieved is absolutely phenomenal.

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Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Veloxyll posted:

So what have the Axis bombers been up to? I haven't seen myself or Blind sally much lately.

I take pride that despite not getting a lot of "air time" (haha, get it?), I'm still the only pilot on the Axis side or Allied side to get a ship kill. Perhaps I am the only one who recognizes the aquatic menace. So be it. I shall do my due diligence.

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