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Omobono posted:That's more than fair enough. Vlad's anti-evil niche can be useful in some nodes but most of them are classes he hits neutral on or zerkers, aside from Dantes/Jalter being neutral to everyone.
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I finally got my fionn, it's about drat time
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Apr 13, 2019 19:04
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Can't you just send in B.B. for Dantes/Jalter nodes? Are there even Avenger nodes in the CCC event?
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Apr 13, 2019 19:06
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There are a few but they're mixed with Avenger boss and scrub enemies of different classes.
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Apr 13, 2019 19:09
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i've no idea the timeline on unlocking BB versus actually running the nodes with avenger bosses so didn't want to assume
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Apr 13, 2019 19:10
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Jalter/Friend Merlin solves everything anyways if need be.
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Apr 13, 2019 19:16
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Let's finish off this Singularity in style.
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Apr 13, 2019 19:17
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Okay, so I love my Avenger servants. I have NP Jalter at 10/10/10 and Gorgon is on her way to 10/10/10 as well, but what is their real niche gameplay wise? Is it pretty much just killing Ruler servants and nixing class advantages against you?
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Apr 13, 2019 19:17
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RanKizama posted:Okay, so I love my Avenger servants. I have NP Jalter at 10/10/10 and Gorgon is on her way to 10/10/10 as well, but what is their real niche gameplay wise? Is it pretty much just killing Ruler servants and nixing class advantages against you? Each Avenger kind of has their own niche. For example, Jalter is supposed to tear through things with giant buster crits, Dantes is a good neutral wave clear if you don't wanna bring a zerker, and Angry Man is good for meme runs.
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Apr 13, 2019 19:21
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*thinks about how i've used jalter for 90% of content* yeah...niche...
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Apr 13, 2019 19:22
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their niche is having bonkers atk stats with a high class multiplier, so they're good as neutral damage dealers. jalter obviously trivialized part 1 content almost singlehandedly and break bars don't fully stop her. dantes with skadi will be king poo poo of aoe quick clears. none of the others are really gamechangers though e: i suppose it's worth noting that lobo is kinda your budget jalter for stuff like ruler pillars, later bosses in part 2 story or like, the holmes challenge quest. and salieri does have a really solid kit while being the only arts avenger. dogsicle fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 13, 2019 |
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Apr 13, 2019 19:22
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dogsicle posted:i've no idea the timeline on unlocking BB versus actually running the nodes with avenger bosses so didn't want to assume One node unlocks before you BB. RanKizama posted:Okay, so I love my Avenger servants. I have NP Jalter at 10/10/10 and Gorgon is on her way to 10/10/10 as well, but what is their real niche gameplay wise? Is it pretty much just killing Ruler servants and nixing class advantages against you? Jalter is a boss killer and Gorgon is never going to realistically see a ruler wave but she can deal generic damage alongside hitting a ruler boss I guess.
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Cool, cool. Thanks guys. I just didn't know if there was something specific that they were designed to play into. Aurora posted:*thinks about how i've used jalter for 90% of content*
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RanKizama posted:Okay, so I love my Avenger servants. I have NP Jalter at 10/10/10 and Gorgon is on her way to 10/10/10 as well, but what is their real niche gameplay wise? Is it pretty much just killing Ruler servants and nixing class advantages against you? Jalter'r raw attack stat makes her effectively a less risky berserker, and that's a good secondary niche. Primary niche is what you noticed, eating Jeanne & co alive in complete safety. Tertiary niche is being best at destroying berserker bosses, but any ST damage dealer can do that. The true value is that she's a generalist, so if you roll her early in your account's life she'll carry you until the gacha gives you enough specialized tools to cover everything.
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Apr 13, 2019 19:26
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Jalters attack stat and crit multipliers are hilarious enough that, with her buffs up and a Merlin assist, a NPBB chain often has her two buster cards each critting for significantly more damage than her actual noble phantasm.
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Her buff block on the np is amazing though, it's kind of underrated imo among people who talk about jalter in a post break bar world.
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Aurora posted:*thinks about how i've used jalter for 90% of content* Jalter's  niche is that she is my best friend and she burns everything with psychic mindflames powered by hate.
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RanKizama posted:Okay, so I love my Avenger servants. I have NP Jalter at 10/10/10 and Gorgon is on her way to 10/10/10 as well, but what is their real niche gameplay wise? Is it pretty much just killing Ruler servants and nixing class advantages against you? In addition to not suffering class disadvantage, they also have a slight attack bonus (1.1x) and an extremely low star gather level. So they make decent all-use generic beatsticks, but the rest depends on each servant's specific skills and such. Jalter can fit decently (though selfishly) in just about any team, but she's pretty much a buster gorilla who can buff up to insane levels for a turn or two of massive single-target damage. Generate some stars, pop all her buffs, and dish out a NP-B-B chain and she'll make Berserkers look gentle. Since class advantage isn't a problem for her, she's pretty versatile and can easily sub in for any class where you don't have a big damage dealer.
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Avengers have the highest attack stats for their respective rarities, so ostensibly you'd be able to take advantage of that to make up for their lack of class advantage against most units. But in practical terms it's still not high enough to make you want to pick them over an actual hard counter to whatever class you're fighting against. Jalter can make up the difference with her crits and easy Merlin synnergy and Dantes has the Skadi meme going on but in general the class is kind of rough.
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Apr 13, 2019 20:30
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i can't hear you over my bryn jalter squirtoria team carrying me
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Nate RFB posted:Avengers have the highest attack stats for their respective rarities, so ostensibly you'd be able to take advantage of that to make up for their lack of class advantage against most units. But in practical terms it's still not high enough to make you want to pick them over an actual hard counter to whatever class you're fighting against. Jalter can make up the difference with her crits and easy Merlin synnergy and Dantes has the Skadi meme going on but in general the class is kind of rough. I'd say it depends on how much you have access to. Jalter is rarely the absolute best servant for a fight, but she's rarely bad or even mediocre. She usually lacks class advantage, but if you don't have high-rarity heavy hitters in a particular class, she'll outperform the 3* members of that class. I used her in almost all my teams when I didn't have many high-rarity servants; she's a great off-classer whose relative staying power and NP gain make her easier to use than Berserkers. She sees less use on mono-class battles now, but she's still a common pick when I'm facing mixed nodes.
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Jalter is good because she has silly attack, two decent skills and Self Modification which is the real winner. Dante is good because Skadi exists and she is silly. Lobo is okay because he’s a good non-limited answer to ruler bosses. Avenger as a class is weak because the intrinsic stats associated with it makes them bad berserkers with a class advantage that very rarely matters, which is bad news for Gorgon especially. Main Paineframe posted:I'd say it depends on how much you have access to. Jalter is rarely the absolute best servant for a fight, but she's rarely bad or even mediocre. She usually lacks class advantage, but if you don't have high-rarity heavy hitters in a particular class, she'll outperform the 3* members of that class. That’s because Jeanne Alter is the exception and one of the few extra class servants with the power and independence to take basically everywhere. If you were using Lobo, Gorgon or Dantes you would definitely be feeling the lack of class advantage.
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Dantes being Quick AOE with only one rare weakness is gonna work in his favor in a year+ though.
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I have to say, and granted I haven't used them extensively because I don't have them and have only experimented with them from friends lists, but Dantes and Gorgon don't seem to amount to a hill of beans compared to Jalter Granted , very few characters do, but my main point of comparison for a neutral damage dealer on a per-hit basis is my beach Martha, who just seems to be a lot more stable and durable, along with a few handy anti-traits. As far as NPs go, as long as class advantage isn't an issue (which it isn't usually, unless it's one of those super mix-em up challenge missions) I'd rather use most of my other 5 star AOE types (even Artoria!) bcomparison
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i mean you can compare the aoes to an st but i don't know why you would. the upside to dantes is he can slap his 12k atk onto everything on the field and poo poo out stars for a later crit turn, but obviously in card damage he'll fall behind jalter due to lower stats and no inherent crit boost. also quick support doesn't exist in NA. gorgon i will say is not good but she's got her own crit boost and since you're running her with merlin(s) her card damage is only limited by being a full rarity lower.
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I mean, Scathach does have a targeted quick boost...
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you could also use atalante to similar effect, but both of these are single-turn buffs compared to merlin and tamamo boosting their respective card types for 3 turns. which honestly, dantes will have a better time just using his NP as a star engine for merlin-fueled buster crits. otherwise you use alex and he eats your stars, same for upcoming welfare ishtar. wu is the first halfway decent option but assassin starweight is still not ideal.
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Gorgon is good after her interlude. What people forget is she gives out 15% teamwide charge on NP. It accelerates her supports so hard it's really pretty silly, and she can even defend them with her stun to boot. She centers completely around crapping out a billion NPs, but if you build her with that in mind she can shine pretty brightly.
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I was just appointed Vice President of the United States in this game. Man, finishing these singularities in time is gonna be tough. I've done them in JP without even paying much attention to the story, and even then they took a long time. Trying to at least finish America tonight. edit: I know that he's not considered that great in tier lists or whatever, but Hijikata is actually pretty useful just by virtue of having a single-target Buster NP as a Berserker. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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At least you'll be able to knock out Solomon quickly enough when you actually get to it.  in the meantime, tho.
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Theoretically; how hard of a time should Ruler Martha and Jeanne have in this upcoming event?
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taking jeanne would be fine if you wanna slow-roll fights i guess? a couple of them like emiya alter and hardmode kiara completely invalidate her though. i think overall she'd mostly be dead weight. martha does better since she's actually offensive and has advantage in the two bb fights. also there's a lot of waterside fields and her anti-divine skill can be used against the alteregos.
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They'll do pretty poorly because they don't have class advantage against the bosses and they're not aoe farmers for free nodes. What you really want is a strong ST archer.
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Darox posted:They'll do pretty poorly because they don't have class advantage against the bosses and they're not aoe farmers for free nodes. Chloe's day once again
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Are there any other classes you really want ST on? How about AoE? I more or less have options for everything, but it'd be nice to know which ones I should be bringing.
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ST Berserkers with black grail are useful for a few bosses if what you need is a point and delete nuke. At least I got through half the rerun like that so I can highly recommend this as a strategy. Oh and an aoe assassin is very helpful for a node you'll spend a looot of time farming.
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Of the four hardest boss fights in CCC one is a saber, two only take extra damage from berserkers (and deal reduced damage to saber/archer/lancer) and one is totally neutral to everything. A good archer really is the best investment you can make if you have to choose. There's a whole host of miniboss fights with all kinds of classes but they're all solo fights and pretty easy, just get a class advantage friend support.
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All battlefields in the CCC event are waterside iirc, but you only really want her for like one or two fights because of class ad.
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Ironically enough the two fights against BB that you'd use Summer Martha for take place in BB's studio which is not a water based location and doesnt proc water abilities. Dont't let that stop you from using her though, I just think it's funny. I believe that also the Alter Egos and real Suzuka fight take place in the dives which might not count, but I can't say I actually tested in those to be sure.
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Darox posted:two only take extra damage from berserkers (and deal reduced damage to saber/archer/lancer) Divine bosses who don't take extra damage from class advantage is pretty much the number two situation Ruler Martha is designed for, after killing Mooncancers.
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