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But Wakanda can simply give people cancer treatments for free.
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Arivia posted:How do you weaponize a cure for cancer? “Stand down or we’ll bomb your country and your citizens will be healthier???” Too much cure can also hurt someone. Hell, there's an X-Men character, Elixir, whose power is straight up healing virtually anything. Back in House of M, he worked as a torturer. I can't remember exactly how, but basically he'd overheal you so much that it would put a bunch of extra strain and hurt on your body because it was trying to repair damage that wasn't there.
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May 13, 2024 11:58
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Like a penis that’s too big
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May 13, 2024 12:24
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oldpainless posted:Like a penis that’s too big More like oldpeenless.
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May 13, 2024 12:30
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goons love putting way more thought into dumb plot devices than the creators of said plot devices do.
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May 13, 2024 12:40
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That's just a nerd thing. Things like wakanda aren't written to be perfectly consistent and realistic, they're written to tell a specific kind of story within the general backdrop of a mostly similar world.
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May 13, 2024 12:54
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oldpainless posted:Like a penis that’s too big None of here would know.
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May 13, 2024 12:56
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Arivia posted:How do you weaponize a cure for cancer? “Stand down or we’ll bomb your country and your citizens will be healthier???” I think the government tried to use it to assassinate Deadpool once, since basically his whole body is cancer
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May 13, 2024 12:59
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Yngwie Mangosteen posted:That's just a nerd thing. Things like wakanda aren't written to be perfectly consistent and realistic, they're written to tell a specific kind of story within the general backdrop of a mostly similar world. It becomes an issue when you're doing multiple long-running series that are supposed to make sense with each other. It's really cool for a while, but eventually you get to a point where no individual story can actually have consequences because it might mess up the other ones. Or you just raise the stakes with multiple worlds and universes until nobody but the biggest nerds can possibly understand or care anymore.
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May 13, 2024 13:17
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Yeah. Although generally Wakanda and T'Challa are meant to be heroic, as is Reed even if they have leaned a fair bit at times into the realization he's a POS - much like Xavier. But the real reason at the end of the day is always the simple fact that if Wakanda or Reed - or Pym, or Stark, or lots of others - behaved in a consistent manner befitting their morals then the Earth of the Marvel Universe would bear almost no resemblance to ours. Like, hell, Stark's had completely safe and clean energy for decades. If nothing else the Marvel Universe should be one where climate change is a solved problem. It's just part of suspension of disbelief. You just have to ignore the fact there's at least half a dozen people who could single-handedly make the world orders of magnitude better than it is, because if they did so the entire setting would fall apart and no longer resemble our world. EDIT: Yngwie Mangosteen posted:That's just a nerd thing. Things like wakanda aren't written to be perfectly consistent and realistic, they're written to tell a specific kind of story within the general backdrop of a mostly similar world. I mean yeah, that's my point. But also why it's somewhat hard to analyze the film when it is dealing with Wakanda and the morality of some of its actions. It's a bit difficult to say where the line can or should be drawn between "this is a failure of the writer's politics" and "this is a necessary compromise because if Wakanda did the right thing then the setting would no longer remotely resemble IRL"
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May 13, 2024 13:17
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:It's just part of suspension of disbelief. You just have to ignore the fact there's at least half a dozen people who could single-handedly make the world orders of magnitude better than it is, because if they did so the entire setting would fall apart and no longer resemble our world. I don't think anyone needs to suspend disbelief for this part of your post  Anyway, someone made a point about how having to actually deal with continuity makes a comic franchise hideously complicated to the extent that only hypernerds can follow it, which is exactly why I'm not a comic book or superhero guy. These are all soap operas that have mostly been running since before I was born, who has the time for that?
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May 13, 2024 13:29
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:But also why it's somewhat hard to analyze the film when it is dealing with Wakanda and the morality of some of its actions. It's a bit difficult to say where the line can or should be drawn between "this is a failure of the writer's politics" and "this is a necessary compromise because if Wakanda did the right thing then the setting would no longer remotely resemble IRL"
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There is a big difference between bad writing and a story that isn't fully realistic. I'm not saying comics are good or bad writing, I never really got into them, but writing isn't about perfectly creating an alternate reality any more than painting is. There is both art and literature that cleave closely to reality and diverge significantly from it, and neither is good or bad because of that aspect of it. edit: I'm using realistic wrong here, I mean coherent with the premises present in its fantastical aspects, there's a better word for it but my brain is being dumb.
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The "Wakanda has been witholding the cure for cancer, heroically" story was written by Reginald Hudlin lol
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Yngwie Mangosteen posted:There is a big difference between bad writing and a story that isn't fully realistic. I'm not saying comics are good or bad writing, I never really got into them, but writing isn't about perfectly creating an alternate reality any more than painting is. There is both art and literature that cleave closely to reality and diverge significantly from it, and neither is good or bad because of that aspect of it. I agree with you in the broad strokes because it's cool when a long series has its own mythos about its characters. However I do think that some things in a story ought to be backed up with justification at the time they're pesented. For a Marvel example, Tony Stark went evil once and did a diabetes industry metaphor by turning his pharma company into a subscription service. That's something justified by his character's means when it happens: He could always have done that, but wouldn't under normal circumstances. Then he got evil chromes on his suit. edit: evil being chromed out however is realistic. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 15:18 on May 13, 2024 |
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CJacobs posted:I agree with you in the broad strokes because it's cool when a long series has its own mythos about its characters. However I do think that some things in a story ought to be backed up with justification at the time they're pesented. For a Marvel example, Tony Stark went evil once and did a diabetes industry metaphor by turning his pharma company into a subscription service. That's something justified by his character's means when it happens: He could always have done that, but wouldn't under normal circumstances. Then he got evil chromes on his suit. Sure, 100%, I'm just saying writing is not 'good' or 'bad' based on whether they've properly gone back and completely analyzed the changes that will happen in history because in this story Churchill was right handed.
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Yeahhh there's no need to feel obligated to elaborate on how different but real your world is, it can bog down some works for sure. Dark Tower comes to mind. edit: Oh but for us the readers I agree, getting into the weeds about that is for Mass Effect wiki editors CJacobs has a new favorite as of 15:21 on May 13, 2024 |
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In the Marvel movies I believe Obama lost the 2012 election because aliens destroyed New York. I don’t think the new president was named. Is that right?
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I AM GRANDO posted:In the Marvel movies I believe Obama lost the 2012 election because aliens destroyed New York. I don’t think the new president was named. Is that right? He was named Ellis in Iron Man 3.
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I AM GRANDO posted:In the Marvel movies I believe Obama lost the 2012 election because aliens destroyed New York. I don’t think the new president was named. Is that right? If Iron Man 3 is what we're going by, the president after that was President Ellis, played by William Sadler. If we're to assume he had two terms, his second term fell during the blip, so who the gently caress knows what happened with US government/elections in 2020 (two years after the blip/snap.) I guess even if he only had one term (personally, I'd find it hard to vote for a man who's VP was intent on mass-scale terrorism and political assassinations) whoever was elected in 2016 would have had their presidency impacted by the snap.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Part of the fundamental issue with Wakanda is that status quo - or in this case something like it - is God in most of these settings. Superhero comics are, generally speaking, set in more-or-less our real life world just with the addition of superheroes and some things. Unlike most speculative fiction, they don't really generally spend too much time or energy exploring how wildly society would change as a result of this fact - Watchmen and suchlike being obvious exceptions. It's part of the reason why Reed Richards is a dick. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 16:14 on May 13, 2024 |
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It's interesting that also, when you have the What-If or alternate realities or whatever where the resident supergeniuses/trillionaires of the franchise DO come together to create a post-scarcity utopia, it almost always ends in them going full fascist totalitarian 1984 state and actually people having everything they need and never needing to fear disease actually sucks and makes everyone miserable.
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Dresden Files comes to mind as among a lot of settings where at least healing magic specifically is shown to be really, really hard, and few wizards even attempt it.
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stepping down from greater world/game changing geo politics of various super hero stuff down into something slightly more on the person level, it always annoyed me that every one is a omni jack of all supa scientist, but they just happen to have a favorite field/subject/area. like I think someone posted an rear end in a top hat Reed page of him going "well i could study your field for a few days and do it myself, but im busy doing real work."
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PhazonLink posted:stepping down from greater world/game changing geo politics of various super hero stuff down into something slightly more on the person level, it always annoyed me that every one is a omni jack of all supa scientist, but they just happen to have a favorite field/subject/area. like I think someone posted an rear end in a top hat Reed page of him going "well i could study your field for a few days and do it myself, but im busy doing real work." Ah, the famous "you're the most brilliant expert in your field, it would take me at least three weeks to get to your level" page. Pity your own field wasn't rocket science, motherfucker, you might have put proper radiation shielding on your ship and not hosed up yourself and your mates.
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Jedit posted:Ah, the famous "you're the most brilliant expert in your field, it would take me at least three weeks to get to your level" page. Pity your own field wasn't rocket science, motherfucker, you might have put proper radiation shielding on your ship and not hosed up yourself and your mates. What does Reed care, he got a bitchin' superpower out of it.
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I AM GRANDO posted:In the Marvel movies I believe Obama lost the 2012 election because aliens destroyed New York. I don’t think the new president was named. Is that right? "Aliens destroyed New York, black president's fault" 
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:It's just part of suspension of disbelief. You just have to ignore the fact there's at least half a dozen people who could single-handedly make the world orders of magnitude better than it is, because if they did so the entire setting would fall apart and no longer resemble our world. The first Black Panther film is explicitly about changing the world and the best way to do it, and the movie very clearly states what you're supposed to agree the correct answer is. Like if Iron Man ended with Tony Stark turning to the camera and announcing "And so I will bring clean energy to the world... but slowly over the course of several decades because I don't want to negatively impact the oil futures market and the US coal industry.". Splicer has a new favorite as of 21:15 on May 13, 2024 |
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Didn't the first Iron Man movie at least try to handwave the arc reactor as being ridiculously expensive for how much power it could produce at a time, and also needing a fairly expensive metal as the fuel source?
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Randalor posted:Didn't the first Iron Man movie at least try to handwave the arc reactor as being ridiculously expensive for how much power it could produce at a time, and also needing a fairly expensive metal as the fuel source? quote:Tony Stark: I think we should take another look into arc reactor technology.
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This is all making me realize that the best way to target Spider-Man isn't by revealing his secret identity, but just publishing the formula for web fluid online. It's a simple enough recipe that a college kid can bulk manufacture it in his bedroom. Let's democratize this poo poo. I have shelves to mount and an adhesive that only lasts an hour would be great for keeping everything in position just long enough to get the screws in.
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May 13, 2024 21:49
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Yeah web fluid is one hell of a non lethal weapon until you see cops using it to choke people out at will or to shove people into water or the million other possible lethal applications it has.
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DontMockMySmock posted:well, IRL our main cures for cancer include (A) knives, (B) poison, and (C) ionizing radiation (or, more often, some combination thereof), so it seems pretty plausible that whatever they've come up with could also be a weapon. You’re right, a “gamma knife” does sound like something you’d use to kill the Hulk, that’s fair.
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Mad Hamish posted:Anyway, someone made a point about how having to actually deal with continuity makes a comic franchise hideously complicated to the extent that only hypernerds can follow it, which is exactly why I'm not a comic book or superhero guy. These are all soap operas that have mostly been running since before I was born, who has the time for that? I'm not trying to evangelize about comics or anything, I'm just saying I hear all the time that people are intimidated by the previous body of work when you really can just ignore it. So you miss a few references, who cares? Also one of our own (haven't seen him post in a while but I just assume he is busy as all gently caress) is writing both Moon Knight and Avengers right now (and Doctor Strange?) and is about to start a run on X-Men, in which the status quo of the last few years has been swept away (by editorial). Good time to jump in.
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Nameless Pete posted:This is all making me realize that the best way to target Spider-Man isn't by revealing his secret identity, but just publishing the formula for web fluid online. It's a simple enough recipe that a college kid can bulk manufacture it in his bedroom. Let's democratize this poo poo. I have shelves to mount and an adhesive that only lasts an hour would be great for keeping everything in position just long enough to get the screws in. this was a big thing in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, Oscorp had already created the adhesive and was selling it so all Peter had to do was design his webshooters. This just made me realise that, for all the hate ASM got for rehashing Uncle Ben's death (and that was the low point of the movie, they completely botched that), they never made mention of the fact that the adhesive dissolves. They just left that as a given that anyone who knows Spider-Man anything probably knows that the adhesive only has a 1 hour lifespan
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Dresden Files comes to mind as among a lot of settings where at least healing magic specifically is shown to be really, really hard, and few wizards even attempt it. I liked how they did it in the Eragon books where you could just cast Cure Wounds and that'd be fine for simple injuries, but if you actually learn anatomy and medical science then you can use the magic much more effectively and manage poo poo like reattaching limbs or repairing internal injuries.
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oh thats another thing i dont like about supa science hero stories, they turn up the Great (singular, individual) Man Theory up and way way pass 10/10. like the Ironman 1 has the meme line about a box of scraps in a cave. like yeah dude real life material science and metallurgy is that. or Ironman 2 and a basement sized particle accelerator, sure. like real life super science is collaborate effort with giant machines that take so long to build that you have two or more generations of scientists over looking projects, machines cross border lines, but comics "lol ironman invented a new alloy because his heart feefees motivated him, or he invented a new element because his daddy issues sobered him up for a few hours"
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Tony Stark kinda balances it out by half his creations and projects going horribly wrong and turning against him. See also Hank Pym, whose shtick he stole for the MCU.
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Did any other marvel science mans make a council of clones of themselves , except the clones have a flaw to highlight the superiority of the original? like clone Reeds that cant suck themseleves off?
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