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Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy

Cat Hatter posted:

Put me down for team "Flippers and Landlords buy the same garbage"

Flippers, landlords, and bottom-line contractors, but yes this.

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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Nitrox posted:

This is formaldehyde enriched laminate that Lumber Liquidators were blowing out for $0.29/foot in order to remain in business after insane lawsuits. It is truly the shittiest and the cheapest flooring money could buy, even before you think of formaldehyde poisoning. Contractors were quoting $1.50/foot installed, and every slumlord jumped on that deal. I bought and resold several pallets of this garbage, and it moved fast enough to never trickle up to actual homeowners.

I just wrote today to replace an entire downstairs of this crap. Owner bought it after it was flipped in 2018. He was so happy to be rid of it, it would bubble & lift at the slightest hint of moisture.

moist turtleneck posted:

Also I'm pretty sure Pergo made a design that was exactly like that, something oak

And yes, Pergo is formaldehyde free

I remember when Pergo started selling in the US, because we had a flooring rep/tech come and give a presentation to our claims office when I was at Prudential in 1996. Initially it was warranteed against water damage from pooled water for 45-minutes.

(The real, old Pergo - one of the very first floating floors - was tough as hell because it was designed for the European/Scandinavian/UK market, where when you moved out of your apartment odds were you took the appliances, cabinets, and flooring with you, and trimmed or added at your next lease.)

Not sure what happened, but I suspect they were lured by the siren song of the US market - we don't do that here - and started cutting corners because over the course of the next decad, that warranty withered away as the exposure times got shorter & shorter.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

That isn't crappy construction. It's jizzy construction.

coupedeville
Jan 1, 2012

MY ANACONDA DOM'T WANT NONE UNLESS U GOT CUM SON!
Jizzy Construction: The Four Penii of The Cumpocalypse

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

PainterofCrap posted:

(The real, old Pergo - one of the very first floating floors - was tough as hell because it was designed for the European/Scandinavian/UK market, where when you moved out of your apartment odds were you took the appliances, cabinets, and flooring with you, and trimmed or added at your next lease.)

I have genuinely NEVER heard of anyone taking their flooring with them here. Appliances, yes, cabinets, sometimes, flooring... what the hell.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

kid sinister posted:

That isn't crappy construction. It's jizzy construction.

Cumstruction

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Dillbag posted:

Cumstruction

Fappy cumstruction

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

PurpleXVI posted:

I have genuinely NEVER heard of anyone taking their flooring with them here. Appliances, yes, cabinets, sometimes, flooring... what the hell.
There are rental apartments or houses in the US, where appliances aren't included. In my experience, it's usually absentee landlords who just don't want the responsibility of repair and replacement.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Nitrox posted:

There are rental apartments or houses in the US, where appliances aren't included. In my experience, it's usually absentee landlords who just don't want the responsibility of repair and replacement.
They usually supply floors though.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Zereth posted:

They usually supply floors though.

Apartment Listing Cagey About Whether Unit Has Floor

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
Floors? In this economy?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

PurpleXVI posted:

I have genuinely NEVER heard of anyone taking their flooring with them here. Appliances, yes, cabinets, sometimes, flooring... what the hell.

In Finland at least, for rental apartments the fridge/freezer combo is standard equipment. Other kitchen appliances like microwave you bring yourself. Any laundry machine is usually the tenant's own, but in apartment buildings there may be one or two shared laundry machines in the basement. Cupboards are made to measure and belong to the apartment. The floor however is whatever you can scrape together. I prefer styrofoam because it is warm, easy to cut into shape and can be found in landfills for free.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

I guess my response is that floors are also made to measure for the space?

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Typically in us rentals if you try to take the floorboards with you when you leave you're not getting your damage deposit back, is "floor" european for a rug

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:42 on May 18, 2024

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


A Wizard of Goatse posted:

Typically in us rentals if you try to take the floorboards with you when you leave you're not getting your damage deposit back, I assume here the "floor" is some kind of mat over the actual floor like a rug or something? Do they not have rugs in finland

I mean yeah it's finland not rugland.

DUH

freeedr
Feb 21, 2005

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

When it's pretty darn windy (note the portaloo blowing over) and you skimped on the diagonal bracing a little

https://i.imgur.com/iTjt1XH.mp4

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Saw that on Reddit, each floor collapsing one after the other in exactly the same way is comic perfection

Just Winging It
Jan 19, 2012

The buck stops at my ass
The actual structural floor stays in place, but since that's usually unfinished, rough concrete, whatever you put on top of that like laminate or carpet not so much. Many places it states explicitly in the lease that you have to remove it when you move out. At least, that's what I've heard from Dutch acquaintances.

Just Winging It fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 19, 2024

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
are we talking about rentals or the apartments you own kinda thing?

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗
I need to change my dining room light fixture.

Breaker labeled dining room? Nope. General lighting? Nope. Kitchen? Nope.

Okay, well the switch is on the same panel as the hall light switch, so maybe that one? Nope.

Oh of course it's on the same one as the 2nd and 3rd bedrooms. That makes sense.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Klein Tools ET310 AC Circuit Breaker Finder
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QNMCVWP

Although I guess that specific one only helps for outlets. So add on one of those light bulb socket outlet adapter things, which I will not link on account of them probably being sketchy in general.

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy

Bad Munki posted:

Klein Tools ET310 AC Circuit Breaker Finder
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QNMCVWP

Although I guess that specific one only helps for outlets. So add on one of those light bulb socket outlet adapter things, which I will not link on account of them probably being sketchy in general.

Nope, they're great. I have the breaker finder and accessory set in their own lil tool bag in the garage and they're one of my most used tools.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

Nope, they're great. I have the breaker finder and accessory set in their own lil tool bag in the garage and they're one of my most used tools.

Can confirm. I bought one in a bundle and although I haven't used it a lot it's still very nice to have and it works.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Bad Munki posted:

Klein Tools ET310 AC Circuit Breaker Finder
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QNMCVWP

Although I guess that specific one only helps for outlets. So add on one of those light bulb socket outlet adapter things, which I will not link on account of them probably being sketchy in general.
I thought that was going to work by just causing a controlled short or something :cripes:

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Flipperwaldt posted:

I thought that was going to work by just causing a controlled short or something :cripes:

I mean, that also works. My dad has a store brand breaker finder from the 90s and even that thing works great.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Flipperwaldt posted:

I thought that was going to work by just causing a controlled short or something :cripes:

Nope, they’re awesome and save a TON of time and you can solo locate breakers without cycling power to anything. Love it.

Good to know the socket adapters aren’t inherently evil, too.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



So the one end hums an electrical song into the wire and the other end can sense the disturbance through the ether when close enough, right.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Yeah, the song has lyrics, it’s a duet:
Scanner: “Was that it??”
Plug: “What?”
Scanner: “WAS THAT IT?”
Plug: “NO”
Scanner: “WHAT??”
Plug: “NO!!!”

The design is very human.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Flipperwaldt posted:

So the one end hums an electrical song into the wire and the other end can sense the disturbance through the ether when close enough, right.

Basically. I know the old knockoff one I've used has a sensitivity wheel that you adjust until it only beeps at one breaker. Didn't know if the new ones are self adjusting somehow.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


They are: the first step is to run it over the entire panel, that calibrates it, then the second pass reliably locates.

Although in my experience it nails it during the first pass anyhow.

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy

Cat Hatter posted:

Basically. I know the old knockoff one I've used has a sensitivity wheel that you adjust until it only beeps at one breaker. Didn't know if the new ones are self adjusting somehow.

The Klein is self-adjusting. You plug in the one end, then turn on the wand and run it over the whole panel, ignoring any noises. Then you go breaker by breaker and it only chirps at the right one. Never had it fail.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.
Neat! I really don't need one though...right this second. Even if the transmitter is also a three-light-tester with GFCI button so I'd have a spare.

I do like that the model showing it off has liver spots on their hands. Shows they know their audience.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Flipperwaldt posted:

So the one end hums an electrical song into the wire and the other end can sense the disturbance through the ether when close enough, right.

FWIW my campus radio station had a carrier-wave emitter, built in the 60s. In addition to broadcasting over the air at 530kH through a 4-watt (actually 5K, but it barely reached a mile in the Laurel Highlands of PA), it sent a signal through the electrical wiring, so you could pull a pretty good signal through a plugged-in radio.

That is, until someone turned on a hair dryer.

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
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ATTAAAACK


Just like those wall warts that send internet through the wires (hams HATE this)

spookykid
Apr 28, 2006

I am an awkward fellow
after all

Bad Munki posted:

Klein Tools ET310 AC Circuit Breaker Finder
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QNMCVWP

Although I guess that specific one only helps for outlets. So add on one of those light bulb socket outlet adapter things, which I will not link on account of them probably being sketchy in general.

One of my tool marking clients brought me one of these to mark with my laser, and I've been kinda low-key lusting after it ever since, I had no idea it was so affordable.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Jorath
Jul 9, 2001

BMan posted:

Just like those wall warts that send internet through the wires (hams HATE this)
My solar inverters talk to their central box in the garage through the power lines. It messed with the touch lamps in the house until we added about a foot of ferrites clamped onto the main line into the house.

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iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

Bad Munki posted:

Klein Tools ET310 AC Circuit Breaker Finder
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QNMCVWP

Although I guess that specific one only helps for outlets. So add on one of those light bulb socket outlet adapter things, which I will not link on account of them probably being sketchy in general.

Holy poo poo. I had no idea that existed.

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