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Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Literally A Person posted:

Call me nuts but that seems like the type of pattern some thought and painters tape could handle.

Yeah when I first looked I wasn’t paying close enough attention and thought it was circles :v: I’d probably do it with tape too

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NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

I'm contemplating painting my front door, and had the idea to do a dithered gradient, something like this:
Any advice is appreciated, thank you!

Neat, I like the design. As someone said up thread, get a flat door but alternately find someone with a copy of illustrator to do it up as a vector drawing and get it vinyl wrapped. It will save you a ton of trouble and that way if inspiration strikes again you can peel it off and get it done again.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


What are some good books/online resources/courses for someone basically starting from 0 with wanting to learn to draw? Using Google or any search engine anymore is such a crapshoot since the results are often SEO AI vomit now

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Dr. VooDoo posted:

What are some good books/online resources/courses for someone basically starting from 0 with wanting to learn to draw? Using Google or any search engine anymore is such a crapshoot since the results are often SEO AI vomit now

Draw A Box is an excellent starting point for basic exercises and fundamentals.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

draw a box is gay as hell, if you want some good courses go look up Vilppu

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Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Vilppu looks decent but the starting course is $800 and I'd have to save a bit for that one

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

just follow the same method pewdiepie did to learn drawing over a month and just copy and trace exactly the kind of stuff you want to draw and you'll most likely improve way faster than constantly detouring trying to learn all the fundamentals

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

Futaba Anzu posted:

just follow the same method pewdiepie did to learn drawing over a month and just copy and trace exactly the kind of stuff you want to draw and you'll most likely improve way faster than constantly detouring trying to learn all the fundamentals

Tracing does teach you some stuff and is worth doing for sure. Spending a lot of time looking at drawings and how people made something is always useful. But if tracing is the only thing you do then that's all you'll ever be able to do.

Which if you're fine with that then sure go for it. But if you want to be able to draw what you want when you want, you'll have to do more things in addition to just tracing.

That said the one thing I do really agree with here is you should always make time to draw the things you actually want to draw. That's true no matter what method of learning you use. Some people think they need to be "ready" to do whatever but you'll probably never feel ready if you take that approach. So, If you want to draw cats, draw 100 cats. Then practice and learn stuff so you draw the next 100 even better than the first time, etc. Don't get too bogged down by learning efficiently if the process is not fun. Drawing takes a lot of time and you should enjoy the time you spend drawing.

Drawabox is fine and a lot of people use it.I wouldn't take something like Vilppu's course unless you want something that's even more regimented and don't mind paying the money. But it's the techniques disney animators used to learn life drawing by and can be good if that's what you need. Maybe not the best to start with however. Listening to Vilppu talk about art on youtube and stuff is really fun though and doesn't cost anything.

Community colleges and city art centers usually have art courses as well for much less, and will usually teach you how to look at stuff which is a helpful thing to learn. A lot of people like to recommend Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain as well to learn drawing from observation which is not the worst starting point. It's been around for a long time, so you can probably pick up a cheap copy from somewhere.

Every way of learning has it's own limits though so you'll have to try stuff out and see what works for you.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

really though what the other poster is getting at is you should just approach the kind of subject matters you feel passionate about now, as best as you can in the same way a five year old approaches drawing dragons or godzilla: they don't measure proportionality of the vanishing point no they pick up the crayon and get going. and like their work your output will suck as well cuz youre both beginners, but drat if there isn't something charming in both.

really youve got to approach drawing like a child because else youre setting yourself up for all work no play fundamentals which can be important but imo not at the beginning of a drawer's journey. and btw if you do not want to advance your own ability like crazy forget a course, take a real life desk lamp and box and shift them around in different poses for live drawing. and that means drawing exactly what youre seeing, not what you think youre seeing (you look at the subject matter, glance down to paper, forget how a certain angle is indeed angled but instead of checking again and indeed carefully looking you draw what your mind best thinks the angle should come out as).

do all this while you grind out some Vilppu bucks (because he really is the man) and eventually you may reach a point where you can attend live model drawing sessions, another way to improve vastly superior to the enormously homoerotic drawabox (pejorative)

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Thanks all for the answers. I’m kinda terrified of failure so I was really worried that, as someone starting with no drawing skill at all at 34, unless I followed a correct growth of fundamentals path I’d never get any better no matter how much I tried

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

Dr. VooDoo posted:

Thanks all for the answers. I’m kinda terrified of failure so I was really worried that, as someone starting with no drawing skill at all at 34, unless I followed a correct growth of fundamentals path I’d never get any better no matter how much I tried

Yeah no worries. The advantage of drawing is you can keep getting better and better even until very old age. It's not like Olympic sports or anything. Which means it's never too late to start. It just takes a little effort and figuring out how you personally learn best. Then figure out a way to do that without quitting and you'll see significant improvement before you know it. You got this.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
It may help to try to recontextualize what you're doing. Like, instead of "oh god this drawing I made sucks" it's "hey everyone look at my latest pencil crime". Who cares if your technical execution isn't great? You're (presumably) not trying to make a living at this, so all that matters is that you're having fun.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Dr. VooDoo posted:

Thanks all for the answers. I’m kinda terrified of failure so I was really worried that, as someone starting with no drawing skill at all at 34, unless I followed a correct growth of fundamentals path I’d never get any better no matter how much I tried

just imagine how good you'll be at 44

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


One last quick, dumb question. I have an iPad Pro 12.9 and an Apple Pencil. For someone just starting out should I only be using paper and material or is okay to practice using the iPad as a tablet?

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

both interchangeably

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

How is Scrievner for ios? Worth the 20$? I'm thinking of something I can use for phone writing/note-taking that isn't word, discord or google docs.

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

StrixNebulosa posted:

How is Scrievner for ios? Worth the 20$? I'm thinking of something I can use for phone writing/note-taking that isn't word, discord or google docs.

i liked it for macos last time i used it

HorseHeadBed
May 6, 2009

StrixNebulosa posted:

How is Scrievner for ios? Worth the 20$? I'm thinking of something I can use for phone writing/note-taking that isn't word, discord or google docs.

It's OK. It doesn't have all the features of the Mac version, but perhaps was even a bit better for being slightly stripped back. (I find Scrivener a bit all over the place and don't use things like the corkboard.)

Only being able to use Dropbox for syncing between devices was pretty annoying, though.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
What's a good art gift for someone with some innate skill but no actual art supplies? My wife and I bought our kid an easel and some paint stuff, and she's kind of in to it. She's pretty decent at drawing but it doesn't come up much. Was thinking of getting her something small that she can use to sketch/draw/paint as stress relief.

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here
A few nice quality sketch pads and some good pens? Maybe like a set of Stabilo (spelling?)fine liners and some acid free heavyweight paper, spiral bind is nice for just grabbing out on a whim and traveling around with.

There are better ideas than this.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

C-Euro posted:

What's a good art gift for someone with some innate skill but no actual art supplies? My wife and I bought our kid an easel and some paint stuff, and she's kind of in to it. She's pretty decent at drawing but it doesn't come up much. Was thinking of getting her something small that she can use to sketch/draw/paint as stress relief.

prismacolor set

don longjohns
Mar 2, 2012

cumpantry posted:

prismacolor set

Seconded. Also get the kid a nice sketchbook with acid-free paper. I do not recommend getting a kid a 'how to draw' book. She's better off just drawing and maybe doing some Bob Rossing (they make fake oil paints!!!)

Edit: Disclaimer- I am not good at art I just like doing it

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
Should clarify - my wife is into our kid's easel, and the kid is currently 2 so he's probably set for a while. She has a bunch of empty notebooks lying around so some nice colored pencils sound great, thanks.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Been trying about with procreate and I'm trying to get a handle for drawing smoother curves without my hands shaking so much. I see a lot of quick art videos on YouTube where the artists wrists aren't moving and they're moving their whole arm to draw circles and lines and I'm wondering how they do that. I know a lot of it is just practice but I want to know more about the method behind it.

I'm still trying to figure out the most comfortable position to rest my arms and hands while tablet drawing.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Arc Hammer posted:

Been trying about with procreate and I'm trying to get a handle for drawing smoother curves without my hands shaking so much. I see a lot of quick art videos on YouTube where the artists wrists aren't moving and they're moving their whole arm to draw circles and lines and I'm wondering how they do that. I know a lot of it is just practice but I want to know more about the method behind it.

I'm still trying to figure out the most comfortable position to rest my arms and hands while tablet drawing.

You can use the tools in procreate to help you with the curves - you don't have to freehand them unless you want to. Can't help you out with how people are locking their wrist to do broad even strokes but I guess that's just a matter of practice as you mention. Gotta be lots of youtube videos around for that stuff.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

That's colloquially called drawing from the shoulder. You can do it whenever you want, but if you've always drawn from the wrist it will feel a bit odd, but in my experience in uni, it becomes natural pretty quickly. You can streamline the process by trying some bigger drawings on a large drawing pad/newsprint pad on an easel. You draw standing up, one normal step back from the easel, with a conte crayon and draw ~10" or so high drawings trying to move your whole arm to draw. Not in a silly, rigid, unnatural way, you can still use your other joints, but you just keep reminding yourself "Draw from the shoulder".

Edit: Graffiti artists are natural pros at this, I imagine, ha.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
Keeping the wrist neutral as you draw (i.e. only using your elbow/shoulder) will help you draw smoother lines. I think it's simply because it's one less joint that can change the position of the pen.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Try it theater style- put some charcoal in the end of a thin bamboo stick and draw on the floor using your whole arm, ideally on paper or something I guess

Southern Cassowary
Jan 3, 2023

i am doing an art class and they've started introducing figure drawing. the daily assignments currently involve drawing lines of action and mannequins over figure drawing reference. i draw on an ipad with procreate, and up till now if i was doing a figure drawing session i'd put up line of action or quickposes or something on my desktop monitor, but that doesn't really help me with drawing over stuff.

my best idea for solving this is just importing photos into procreate, so i've been looking for a collection of photo reference figure drawings to use for these studies. ideally i wanted a pack of a couple thousand photos with varied poses/models for x dollars, but i'm having a hard time finding this. here's what i've found:
- handful of apps or websites with subscriptions, no downloads
- people selling like 1300 DELICATE FEMALE POSES on artstation, cubebrush, or gumroad
- some like, absolutely massive collections of tens of thousands of pose photographs on sketch looking websites for a couple hundred bucks
- noah bradley, offering exactly what i am looking for (a pack of thousands of photos intended for this kind of study including male models, female models, portrait expressions, and hands for 37 dollars), but noah bradley lost his mtg art gig because he sexually harassed other concept artists and i'd rather not give that dude money.

asked my art friends and got a bunch of responses along the lines of "i'm on clip studio so i'm just using posemaniacs on there." what do y'all like for figure drawing reference? does what i'm looking for exist? do i have an xy problem and need to approach this differently? right now i'm thinking of trying to piece something together from the artstation/etc packs but i figured i'd ask first.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Artista

AFistfulOfBitcoins
Feb 11, 2014

Southern Cassowary posted:

i am doing an art class and they've started introducing figure drawing. the daily assignments currently involve drawing lines of action and mannequins over figure drawing reference. i draw on an ipad with procreate, and up till now if i was doing a figure drawing session i'd put up line of action or quickposes or something on my desktop monitor, but that doesn't really help me with drawing over stuff.

my best idea for solving this is just importing photos into procreate, so i've been looking for a collection of photo reference figure drawings to use for these studies. ideally i wanted a pack of a couple thousand photos with varied poses/models for x dollars, but i'm having a hard time finding this. here's what i've found:
- handful of apps or websites with subscriptions, no downloads
- people selling like 1300 DELICATE FEMALE POSES on artstation, cubebrush, or gumroad
- some like, absolutely massive collections of tens of thousands of pose photographs on sketch looking websites for a couple hundred bucks
- noah bradley, offering exactly what i am looking for (a pack of thousands of photos intended for this kind of study including male models, female models, portrait expressions, and hands for 37 dollars), but noah bradley lost his mtg art gig because he sexually harassed other concept artists and i'd rather not give that dude money.

asked my art friends and got a bunch of responses along the lines of "i'm on clip studio so i'm just using posemaniacs on there." what do y'all like for figure drawing reference? does what i'm looking for exist? do i have an xy problem and need to approach this differently? right now i'm thinking of trying to piece something together from the artstation/etc packs but i figured i'd ask first.

its a bit unclear but posemaniacs seems to be a website too? with lots of poses but idk how varied the actual models are.

you can try fhasion websites/ magazines, these often have models in interesting poses, but are mostly limited to standing positions. I'll sometimes get a copy of vogue for reference drawing, but really any other fashion magazine should be as good. Ironically its the adverts that have the best poses, so mayhap the web versions arent as good for your purposes. If you dont mind doing the work, you could get a physical magazine, photo the posts you like and then draw over them in procreate that way?

then there's uhhh... porn galleries. Skewed towards female models but there's literally millions of pics for free you can view that will have poses/ composition that's fairly unique. Im not going to risk linking porn here, but you can search 'porn galleries' and find a bunch. The downside is the poses are v obviously from porn most of the time so if you have to submit your work to others this might not be such a good idea. Also feels a bit skeevy.

and there's this website with just under 2k images for free http://reference.sketchdaily.net/ . note a lot of pics there are NSFW, and afaict there is no way to search for a specific picture, it just gives you a random one each time, so save any pics you really like first.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013
DeviantArt is a sess pool with all the AI garbage on there now but there are still live models who have a bunch of poses on there for free. Senshi/adorkastock is a good one with a decent range of models and body types. Including some fun things like action movie poses, memes, poses for fabric/clothing studies etc. They and plenty of others also sell model packs on there if you like their work. So you should never have to resort to buying model packs from a sexpest like Noah Bradley who should get absolutely no one's business.

NewMastersAcademy has a few youtube videos for life drawing, both nude and covered models. As well as some Villpu lectures that are a nice accompaniment to them.

2nding the fashion magazine thing, you can also look at fashion week stuff and vogue and all that stuff. Places like Fashioneditorials.com has tons of stuff. Clothed models and they skew towards certain body types so it might not be what you are looking for but there is a ton of stuff there.

Also cinematographer stuff can be good, there's a lot of websites (for free, dont do the paid ones) that just put up tons of screen shots and cinematography studies of movies. That stuff can be really good to study, but maybe less applicable for life drawing stuff admittedly. But it's worth being aware of.

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Southern Cassowary
Jan 3, 2023

JuniperCake posted:

DeviantArt is a sess pool with all the AI garbage on there now but there are still live models who have a bunch of poses on there for free. Senshi/adorkastock is a good one with a decent range of models and body types. Including some fun things like action movie poses, memes, poses for fabric/clothing studies etc. They and plenty of others also sell model packs on there if you like their work. So you should never have to resort to buying model packs from a sexpest like Noah Bradley who should get absolutely no one's business.

yeah there was no way i was giving bradley money, i was just annoyed he's an initial, easy google result that gives you a nice bundle of exactly what i want and i spent way too long scouring the net trying to find something as pleasant as that

another art friend told me adorkastock has a patreon with like six years of material on it for five bucks, i think that's the cleanest solution to my conundrum so i'm going to go download a bunch of that stuff.

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