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Poizen Jam posted:Aren't their some theories in the Bond-verse that 'James Bond 007' is just a code name taken up and adopted by any number of agents? I know there's contradictions to that interpretation but Bond has kind of ascended to an almost mythological status- his story is retold many times, with many of the same details, and certain things changed, retconned, or modernized as things progress. Only by people who have only ever seen the original Casino Royale.
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Jan 29, 2015 17:37
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duz posted:Only by people who have only ever seen the original Casino Royale. Sorry I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I mean I'm pretty sure I saw a piece arguing that at least Lazenby and Moore are the same Bond, but the connections between the others are less explicit.
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Jan 29, 2015 17:44
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Elba would own as bond. However there is a point where characters should just be characters and if you really want to completely rewrite everything about a story maybe you should just make a new story. Bond is black, whoa might as well just make a new story if you're gonna radically rewrite MY CHILDHOOD
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Jan 29, 2015 17:45
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MariusLecter posted:Bond is black, whoa might as well just make a new story if you're gonna radically rewrite MY CHILDHOOD And after Elba the next Bond can be an American female transgender with an Asian heritage for most differentest Bond ever! Or we can start learning to distinguish nuance.
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Jan 29, 2015 17:50
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Gravel Gravy posted:And after Elba the next Bond can be an American female transgender with an Asian heritage for most differentest Bond ever! Is this a Poe? Because what the hell is your point otherwise? (If you are being sarcastic then please disregard) Why is it that whenever any modicum of diversity crops up some jackass has to chime in with "Well I guess it's time to put dicks on all the females and pretend to be wolves from South Korea since anything but White Heterosexual Males making up 99% of any given situation is an artificially forced construct!" ? quote:Or we can start learning to distinguish nuance. So we have to do our best to make the diversity ignore-able?
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Jan 29, 2015 18:04
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The second Ghostbuster cartoon's team was a girl, a Hispanic, a black nerd, and a wheelchair bro-jock. It was okay/surprisingly good.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:08
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PhazonLink posted:The second Ghostbuster cartoon's team was a girl, a Hispanic, a black nerd, and a wheelchair bro-jock. Speaking of good cartoons, the new Scooby Doo is amazing and the main police officer is Patrick Warburton and is all kinds of awesome. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 18:12
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PhazonLink posted:The second Ghostbuster cartoon's team was a girl, a Hispanic, a black nerd, and a wheelchair bro-jock. yeah extreme ghostbusters was part of my childhood so anything less than the BK Kids Club as a main cast is an affront to human decency
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Jan 29, 2015 18:14
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Crain posted:Is this a Poe? Because what the hell is your point otherwise? (If you are being sarcastic then please disregard) The guy I was quoting seemed to take offense to an earlier post saying that a line needed to be drawn about how different you can make a character before it becomes something different. I guess they took it to mean previous poster was against diversity or some such, so I was being sarcastic. It's the reason why we have Monk and James Bond as separate characters, and not James Bond and James Bond as a cop who is also quirky and has OCD.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:14
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I think we're all overlooking the most important sex and gender issue in the Ghostbusters reboot. Are they still going to call the EPA guy dickless for pointing out their disregard for basic health and safety?
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Jan 29, 2015 18:18
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PhazonLink posted:The second Ghostbuster cartoon's team was a girl, a Hispanic, a black nerd, and a wheelchair bro-jock. I was going to point out there was that Ghostbusters cartoon with a gorilla, but it turns out that was actually a completely independent Ghostbuster property and nothing to do with the Reitman movies. Now my childhood is ruined.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:19
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Gravel Gravy posted:The guy I was quoting seemed to take offense to an earlier post saying that a line needed to be drawn about how different you can make a character before it becomes something different. I guess they took it to mean previous poster was against diversity or some such, so I was being sarcastic. Ok, right. Different characters are different characters. But just having a black guy play James Bond doesn't mean it has to be a completely new character.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:19
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Crain posted:Ok, right. Different characters are different characters. But just having a black guy play James Bond doesn't mean it has to be a completely new character. I agree with you completely. Now let's hug it out.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:20
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Ashcans posted:I was going to point out there was that Ghostbusters cartoon with a gorilla, but it turns out that was actually a completely independent Ghostbuster property and nothing to do with the Reitman movies. Now my childhood is ruined. Yeah, that's why the Ghostbusters(movie series) cartoon tie in was specifically called "The Real Ghostbusters". The Ghost Busters predated Ghostbusters by 10 years. Gravel Gravy posted:I agree with you completely. Now let's hug it out. Aight, bring it in.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:23
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Gravel Gravy posted:The guy I was quoting seemed to take offense to an earlier post saying that a line needed to be drawn about how different you can make a character before it becomes something different. I guess they took it to mean previous poster was against diversity or some such, so I was being sarcastic. How in the gently caress is that remotely comparable to what is being discussed here? What's your point other than yeah there is a line at which point it's silly to repurpose an established character, which nobody was or likely even would disagree with? E: Surely you agree it would be absurd to make James Bond a lesbian cancer survivor and therefore you must understand why people take issue with him being a black. mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 18:25
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Crain posted:Yeah, that's why the Ghostbusters(movie series) cartoon tie in was specifically called "The Real Ghostbusters". The Ghost Busters predated Ghostbusters by 10 years. They also did a clever episode where the Ghostbusters go to Hollywood where they are making a Ghostbusters movie staring Murray, Akroyd, etc.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:25
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How in the gently caress is that remotely comparable to what is being discussed here? What's your point other than yeah there is a line at which point it's silly to repurpose an established character, which nobody was or likely even would disagree with? Try reading a few posts up, buddy.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:27
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Gravel Gravy posted:Try reading a few posts up, buddy. I read all the posts and yours is still dumb. 
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Jan 29, 2015 18:30
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I read all the posts and yours is still dumb. It's OK. Jesus still loves you.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:31
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Crain posted:So we have to do our best to make the diversity ignore-able? We'll have augmented reality goggles that can make everyone white soon enough.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:38
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BonoMan posted:Idris Elba is an elemental badass and sex on a stick (coming from a 100% hetero guy - or maybe not I dunno) ... he perfectly embodies James Bond and I hope that he gets a shot at it. I heard an argument against a black bond that kinda made sense, since James Bond is fundamentally an avatar of british imperialism, using a combination of violence and bumbling to leave a burning pile of wreckage behind him, it only really makes sense that he's a morally repugnant hetero white dude that everyone in the audience is told to love. I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment, but I can see where it's coming from. I want to see Elba as Bond really bad, though.
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Jan 29, 2015 18:43
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KomradeX posted:I really liked that 2009 game they did and people always give me weird looks when I say that I love Ghostbusters 2. I just don't get what gets nerds so up in arms about having black people depicted in things they like (its racism I know) like did nerds freak out when Mos Deff played Ford Prefect in the HitchHikers Guide movie? I will admit I really liked that movie as well. I (and a lot of people) were worried that they were going to turn it into a hacky white cop/black cop buddy movie but I should have had more faith.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:06
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QwertyAsher posted:I heard an argument against a black bond that kinda made sense, since James Bond is fundamentally an avatar of british imperialism, using a combination of violence and bumbling to leave a burning pile of wreckage behind him, it only really makes sense that he's a morally repugnant hetero white dude that everyone in the audience is told to love. I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment, but I can see where it's coming from. I want to see Elba as Bond really bad, though. I want to see Elba as everybody. The next Bond shouldn't just have Idris Elba as James Bond, it should also have him as Q, Moneypenny, the love interest, the villain, and every extra.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:16
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Mister Bates posted:I want to see Elba as everybody. The next Bond shouldn't just have Idris Elba as James Bond, it should also have him as Q, Moneypenny, the love interest, the villain, and every extra. Is Eddie Murphy too busy?
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Jan 29, 2015 19:17
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Gravel Gravy posted:Is Eddie Murphy too busy? Morgan Freeman 
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Jan 29, 2015 19:19
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Barack Obama. While in office.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:27
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Poizen Jam posted:Sorry I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I mean I'm pretty sure I saw a piece arguing that at least Lazenby and Moore are the same Bond, but the connections between the others are less explicit. I mean that the original Casino Royale movie is the only one where James Bond is the code name as opposed to 007. It was also one of the earliest movies so the idea has been around for almost as long as the "normal" James Bond movies.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:31
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Aside from a few references to his dead wife by Moore and Lazenby, there's nothing explicitly connecting any of the other 007s though. It's not outright said that James Bond isn't a code name in any movie, is it?
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Jan 29, 2015 19:34
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MariusLecter posted:Bond is black, whoa might as well just make a new story if you're gonna radically rewrite MY CHILDHOOD I said Elba would be good as Bond though? The other sentence was more addressing a hypothetical like making Bond a woman which would alter the character so much that it make way more sense to make a new character instead of shoehorning in plot to address the obvious changes.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:40
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Poizen Jam posted:Aside from a few references to his dead wife by Moore and Lazenby, there's nothing explicitly connecting any of the other 007s though. It's not outright said that James Bond isn't a code name in any movie, is it? That, and it's fairly obvious that Q and M are codenames for positions. It would make sense that the field agents also 'inherit' the title of Double-0 and 'James Bond' as they are introduced. It's a matter of legacy and a banner, rather than a specific person. Then again, the subplot in Skyfall concerning the Bond Family estate, his abusive father and helpful friend kind of dumped on that theory.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:43
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Poizen Jam posted:Aside from a few references to his dead wife by Moore and Lazenby, there's nothing explicitly connecting any of the other 007s though. It's not outright said that James Bond isn't a code name in any movie, is it? There's also a reference to his dead wife in License to Kill with Dalton. And they make mention of Bond being an orphan in Goldeneye with Brosnan and Casino Royale with Craig. Both interpretations kinda have merit, its just whatever you prefer personally.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:45
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I said Elba would be good as Bond though? The other sentence was more addressing a hypothetical like making Bond a woman which would alter the character so much that it make way more sense to make a new character instead of shoehorning in plot to address the obvious changes. Or we could just have a woman play Bond and change nothing and just let the actor/actress act. I'd actually really like to a movie/show/play where a female actress plays a male character as a male character (or the opposite).
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Jan 29, 2015 19:45
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Gravel Gravy posted:There's also a reference to his dead wife in License to Kill with Dalton. And they make mention of Bond being an orphan in Goldeneye with Brosnan and Casino Royale with Craig. I thought it was settled that he is a time lord. Anyway, on to horrible things people on facebook and emails say:  Literally demonizing government.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:52
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Crain posted:Or we could just have a woman play Bond and change nothing and just let the actor/actress act. I'd actually really like to a movie/show/play where a female actress plays a male character as a male character (or the opposite). James Bond strides into the cocktail party, his tuxedo ill fitting and poorly cut due to his breasts and short stature. He swiftly moves into a back room, and uses a watch too large for his wrist to shoot a laser through the safe holding the documents. On his way out he speaks with his mexican accent to a woman on the way out, charming her to avoid detection of his theft, though she stands half a head higher him in her high heeled shoes compared to his men's dress shoes. "Cut! Great job Salma, this has Oscar written all over it"
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Jan 29, 2015 19:56
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J.A.B.C. posted:That, and it's fairly obvious that Q and M are codenames for positions. It would make sense that the field agents also 'inherit' the title of Double-0 and 'James Bond' as they are introduced. It's a matter of legacy and a banner, rather than a specific person. Both based on Felming's time in intelligence during the war - the head of SIS (MI6) Mansfield Smith-Cummings, signing his memos "C", leading to SIS adapting "C" as slang for later DGs (although MI5 claim that they did it first with "K" for Vernon Kell, their DG for their first few decades). As such M, like C and K, is just a name for the holder of an office. Q is short for "Quartermasters", forces slang for them was always "Q" (e.g. Q Stores or Q Bloke for the Quartermaster Sergeant himself) so this came over into the civilian service, although it never referred to one person, just the actual department giving out the kit. The Bond canon is very confused on the "Are Sean Connery and Timothy Dalton the same person?" - the idea that there are many people using James Bond as a code name is from the non-canon 1967 Casino Royale, abut many people say it was Fleming's preferred interpretation too. The Flemingbooks all refer to the same person (he has a significant back story) but the other books gloss over the backstory (and sometimes reinvent it altogether). Cubby Broccoli thought that all the films were the same person having plastic surgery, but Casino Royale is an explicit reboot that deliberately ignores the entire backstory because it's such a clusterfuck. Allegedly they're going to actually address it when the actor next changes, probably by taking the "James Bond is an identity" story. Wow that's a lot of words about a dumb pulp movie.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:57
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Crain posted:Or we could just have a woman play Bond and change nothing and just let the actor/actress act. I'd actually really like to a movie/show/play where a female actress plays a male character as a male character (or the opposite). Could we get Rachel Weisz as Bond and have Craig play the Bond villain?
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Jan 29, 2015 19:58
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Coming in 2016, a remake of Alien with Ripley played by Vin Diesel
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Jan 29, 2015 20:01
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Coming in 2016, a remake of Alien with Ripley played by Vin Diesel This but unironically. And to all the other race/gender slippery slope strawpersons.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Coming in 2016, a remake of Alien with Ripley played by Vin Diesel I would watch it if it was Aliens.
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