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Do not give the gunpowder to the magic lady.
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Oct 12, 2022 04:28
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Give her the goods. Literally nothing could go wrong.
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Oct 12, 2022 05:13
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Do it. This is bound to end badly.
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Oct 12, 2022 05:36
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A, and make sure you blow up somebody important!
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Oct 12, 2022 05:57
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Do it for the
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Oct 12, 2022 06:26
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Gravity Cant Apple posted:Give her the goods. Literally nothing could go wrong. (Tappin clipboard) i mean that's just science
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Oct 12, 2022 06:44
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We trusted Sophia in the past, and it ended very, very badly. But we also learned why it ended badly, that being Felipe. If we take Sophia at her word, here, then she wants to cut Felipe out of the loop. Because she has no reason to love him any more than we do. "Do we actually trust her?" is a question that is entirely based on personal take and feel. So don't ask it. Instead, ask: if she wants gunpowder for the revolution, and DOESN'T want to tell Felipe, then why? If she's really just his little go-ahead, she'd want to stick to the plan and not let it spiral out of control. Just a big enough fire that Felipe can put it out. But it sounds like she wants anything but that. The only reason she could want gunpowder and not to tell Felipe is because she wants this to go all the fuckin' way. She wants a REAL revolution. She's a true fuckin' believer. We know two things. One, we will do anything to keep our family together and safe. And two, the structure of the Empire makes that ultimately impossible. We learned that all the way back in the OP. We cannot become true nobility under its system, cannot truly belong in its system, and also keep the family together, safe, and happy, because some members of the family -- Gloria most especially -- have no place in the Empire's world. Give her the gunpowder.
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Oct 12, 2022 07:25
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Also, hey, remember how when we passed 2 Unrest and it gave us a Bad Times event? Well, if my math is right, that dinner should have just punted us over 8 Unity. Which may mean a Good Times event. Maybe not. But we're getting so, so close to maxing that out. There's three years to go. For all that we suck at doing things right, we can make this work.
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Oct 12, 2022 07:30
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...I dislike Sophia. She's a traitor - And, like, while she had her reasons, I don't want to trust her, because for all her high-minded ideals, she doesn't care enough to actually lay her life (or equivalent) on the line for the cause, only the lives of other people - She'll sell anyone and everyone out to save her skin from the fate she fears more than anything else. She's proven that before, and I've no doubt she'll prove it again. But at the same time, our stats are not doing us any favors - And we need to ensure that Unrest is high. Plus, it's not like it benefits her (I HOPE) to sell us out for giving her the gunpowder. So... I guess we give her the gunpowder. We'll probably pay the price for this, but I doubt it'll lower Unrest. I hope.
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Oct 12, 2022 07:49
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Let's let Sophia have the Gunpowder Look we gotta trust someone here and out of all our options I'm most comfortable with Sophia tbh. And also raising Unrest is good no matter what, especially since we're getting close to needing an ending locked in.
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Oct 12, 2022 08:32
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Give her the gunpowder. I don't trust Sophia any farther than I can throw her, but I'm in for chaos.
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Oct 12, 2022 09:22
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Agree. Yeah, this will end very badly, but we care about like four people in this crapsack world and the odds of them specifically being hurt are pretty low, gently caress everyone else.
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Oct 12, 2022 10:14
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Give her the gunpowder
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Oct 12, 2022 10:40
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Oct 12, 2022 13:23
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In a decision between "make thing happen that we qualified for" and "nothing happens", I'll always choose "make thing happen" in a blind playthrough. A
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Oct 12, 2022 14:11
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Hell no.. The thread seems to be under the belief that Sophia is doing this for the commoners and lower classes, but she's not a commoner. She inherited the magical ability to enslave others, and as she wanted to free all the mages I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Sophia's future society results in Mages>You. Plus there's the fact that last time we trusted her she sold us out to the secret police. Instead of wasting the powder on Sophia, we should save it to outfit our own firearms unit.
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Oct 12, 2022 14:34
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Hell no.. As far as I remember, every named mage we come across in the game is a commoner. Sophia, Aylis, and there’s a woman whose name I forget who shows up in the Priest Path. Sophia wants to free the mages because the House of Humility, and the Inquisition in general, is monstrous towards them. Mages are absolutely oppressed by the Church and the imperial system the Church supports. Sophia is doing this for the lower classes. Also she herself is a commoner.
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Oct 12, 2022 15:11
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Y'know what? Give it to her. If this is the ammo she needs to start the true revolution we think she's been aiming to do, go ahead. Sure, we had a lot of disgruntled students and the like back in the capital, but now we can have a group the size of a town's population who's desperate for survival. If we're getting betrayed again, the joke's on her, Georg is controlled by an extradimensional hive of voices who will remember this for the next playthrough.
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Oct 12, 2022 15:27
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Kayten posted:As far as I remember, every named mage we come across in the game is a commoner. Sophia, Aylis, and there’s a woman whose name I forget who shows up in the Priest Path. Literally every time we see a mage throwing power around its mind control, no save. I'm not going to argue the treatment of mages is great, but Sophia is lower class in the same way Egmont is non noble. That said, I will.concede I despise the oppressed mages trope because its just John Galt writ large.
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Oct 12, 2022 16:41
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Oct 12, 2022 17:52
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I'm guessing if we give her the powder, we wont get our own armed unit, which was one of the options in the beginning of the chapter. Vote B
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Oct 12, 2022 17:54
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Kanthulhu posted:I'm guessing if we give her the powder, we wont get our own armed unit, which was one of the options in the beginning of the chapter. Indeed. If anyone's gonna control the gunpowder, it's us. B
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Oct 12, 2022 17:57
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As far as I remember, Sophia doesn't take all of the gunpowder, there's plenty left to
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Oct 12, 2022 18:41
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Hell no.. My opinion to the last. Power is for us, not for this untrustworthy backstabber!
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Oct 12, 2022 19:03
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A. We did not spend our entire life punching up, loving up, getting into hopeless fights and committing crimes to sell out and start being reasonable now.
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Oct 12, 2022 19:50
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Voting for a big K(A)BOOM!
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Oct 12, 2022 20:30
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:A. We did not spend our entire life punching up, loving up, getting into hopeless fights and committing crimes to sell out and start being reasonable now.
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Oct 12, 2022 21:13
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Always bet on explosives.
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Oct 12, 2022 22:10
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We didn't get this gunpowder not to use it for crime. Mash A.
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Oct 12, 2022 23:30
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B. Save it for guns!
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Oct 13, 2022 01:08
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:A. We did not spend our entire life punching up, loving up, getting into hopeless fights and committing crimes to sell out and start being reasonable now.
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Oct 13, 2022 03:07
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1.29 - Yet Another Secret Plot Another quick one today, with an important vote.  We trust Sophia to have the same interests as we do, re: gunpowder, El Ferro, and the Last Straw in general.    She works fast.  A symbolic attack to start with.  Then direct hits on the Inquisition, in order to free the people it kidnapped. Oh, yeah, the Champions of Faith. We go more in depth on them in the Priest Path, for obvious reasons, but here's the general jist. The priets' lot is to teach people how to live in accordance to the Twins' Law. The nobles' lot is to rule and, critically, to fight. This means that priests, being their own separate lot, cannot pick up weapons and do violence. (Somehow, torturing people to a lesser death, or burning apostates at the stake is just fine though) This means that the Inqusition, an inherently violent organization, needs to have non-priests do the fighting. That's the Champions of Faith - nobles who devote their life to fight on the Inquisition's behalf. One part security for the Inquisitors, one part riot control, one part apostate extermination order. Sophia getting a few of them is a good thing, in other words.  Then a direct strike against the state's ability to levy funds.  All-in-all, good hits so far.  And so careful, too.   Propaganda of the deed-rear end thinking.   Propaganda of the deed was a line of thought in some late 19th century socialist circles, mostly among anarchists. The part most anyone remembers is that it is an endorsement of targeted violence against high-ranking members of society - capitalists (as in, actual owners of capital, not people who like capitalism), high-ranking officials, even royals. The reason for this move was two-fold: 1. The society we exist in is already inherently violent. Poverty is violence. Starvation while others have way too much food is violence. Extracting people's labour, and giving them crumbs is violence - because of the often unspoken "if you don't do this, you will starve". The state lashing out at every threat to its absolute dominance with police, both secret and not, is violence. Every border that is maintained is maintained through violence. Keeping today's society going, let alone 19th century societies, especially those that were monarchies, requires constant, ruthless violence. Propaganda of the deed merely takes a small fraction of this constant violence and directs it at its beneficiaries. Berkman tried to kill Henry Clay Frick, a manager for Carnegie, in 1892. The People's Will finally got Tzar Alexander II in 1881 after a number of attempts. Bogrov killed Stolypin, Tzar Nicholas II's Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior, in 1911. 2. There is a certain mystique surrounding the powerful, one that they spend considerable resources maintaining. Kings' crowns and palaces, their extravagant clothes and opulent parties serve a purpose: they show the people that there is something otherworldly about the royalty, that they're a better class of people, rather than just some dudes with a golden hat. All the ritual surrounding royalty is there to reinforce that. For a recent example, look at all the extravagant bullshit that Liz and Chucky Windsor went through: the processions, the funeral, the coronation. If it was done quickly and quietly, the mystique of the royal family would take a greater hit. More people would see the whole thing for what it was: a rich pensioner buried, and a different pensioner inheriting some golden hats, land, and considerable power. The second goal of the propaganda of the deed was to shatter that mystique, to demonstrate to the people that at the end of the day, the capitalists, the ministers, and even the kings, are merely people, no better than you or me. God does not protect them, they bleed and die like the rest. Thus, upon seeing this happen, the people would rise up, and join the revolutionaries! Except that's not what happened. When Berkman shot Frick, Frick's own workers, who have been striking for better wages and conditions, who have been hosed over by Frick's personal handling of the Homestead Strike, didn't join him. They beat the poo poo out of Berkman to the point he passed out. The peasantry's reaction to Alexander II getting blown up was abject horror - the only person who, in their worldview, could defend them against the excesses of the nobles and the capitalists, was killed by evil men. Stolypin's assassination didn't do poo poo - if anything, it hardened the reactionaries in power: more secret police, more crackdowns. At the end of the day, anybody can kill a king. But only a mass movement can destroy a kingdom.  For now, though, I suppose the makers of the game take the position that propaganda of the deed works.   These are pretty nice stats, to be honest.  This isn't the last we have seen of Sophia with the gunpowder.  And now for today's main event.  Time for some family intrigue.  What is it with this family and favours.      That's a fair point, especially with Stephan's little conversation with Gregor in the crypt.    Ah. I see. -- This is a complicated choice. I would like to once again remind the thread - the Anizotte high society will never in any way, shape, or form accept Gloria. Should the family officially adopt her, we will never be Nobles of the Sword (it's the largest stat drop in the game, -10 Rep). On top of that, adopting Gloria like this will lead to serious friction in the family - Stephan has made it his life's goal to get us Sword Nobled, and will not give up easily. This friction also seriously affects Lydia's health. Now, while there is no way to both adopt Gloria and become Nobles of the Sword, there is a way to make sure the entire family (outside Gregor, RIP in piss) accepts Gloria adoption. I'm not telling y'all how to do it just yet, though, this is, after all, somewhat of a blind run. Anyway. Do we join Gloria's plot?  A. We have always sided with our sister, ever since we were kids. Of course we will help Gloria get adopted.  B. Look, yes, this sucks for our sister. But it is not yet time to do this. Don't join Gloria's plot.
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Oct 13, 2022 18:50
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Support her. We're already trying to overthrow society, why should we care if we end up ennobled or not when nobles are about to cease to exist?
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Oct 13, 2022 19:03
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Yeah, gently caress the nobles, Gloria is one of 3 people who's always been good to us
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Oct 13, 2022 19:06
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Of course we will help Gloria get adopted
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Oct 13, 2022 19:07
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Help Gloria, of course.
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Oct 13, 2022 19:10
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I feel like we've finally gotten to a good place on finally beginning the revolution, and once that's done with, nobility will be no more. Help Gloria with her plan. Gregor can do backflips in his grave.
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Oct 13, 2022 19:19
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B Its whatever, we'll get you in on the tail end
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Oct 13, 2022 19:24
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Always Be Conspiring We have an opportunity to join a secret plot, of course we're going to take it, especially when it comes to Gloria. Kayten posted:Now, while there is no way to both adopt Gloria and become Nobles of the Sword, there is a way to make sure the entire family (outside Gregor, RIP in piss) accepts Gloria adoption. Rogue AI Goddess fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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Don't do it Because I'm hoping we get to do it in the "Lydia gets sick" event
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