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Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Cthulu Carl posted:

I also recall hearing good things about the smaller (And MUCH cheaper) Gloomhaven: Jaws of the Lion

Lol I forgot about jaws even though it's literally the introductory game for the havens. It's a fun campaign and very good at teaching it.

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Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Eediot Jedi posted:

Lol I forgot about jaws even though it's literally the introductory game for the havens. It's a fun campaign and very good at teaching it.

I mostly remember this part of No Pun Included's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyfEWPGvDFw&t=1074s

"Does that make them best buds? No no no. That's not his favorite enemy. That's his favorite axe."

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Eediot Jedi posted:

I have no idea about Blackstone.

Cursed city started off exciting and I liked it initially, but it very quickly needs a lot of samey grinding to progress, and you're often completely at the mercy of chance with no way to mitigate that through skill, you just get hosed over and lose a couple of hours of irl time. Missions drags uncomfortably long even when you win.

There are fan made rules that looked much improved, I never tried them.

My real answer for "should I play cursed city?" is to try gloomhaven on pc first, if you like it, either get the sequel frosthaven or wait for the 2.0 remake of gloomhaven that's due soonish after its kick starter delivers. GH is just way more interesting to play than cursed city imo and they're similar dungeon crawlers.

Ok thanks will keep this in mind

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
First fully-painted model for Legio Catholicus, "The Powerwolves," Beast of Gevaudan.





Dr. Platypus
Oct 25, 2007
Is there a reason the Kill Team build instruction books are all formatted a little differently from each other? I'm trying to choose which team to get next between Blooded and Pathfinders, and looking at the instructions, the tau have you build all the bodies, then separates the individual specialists after, the blooded one has them all numbered 1-13, but some of the variants using the same bodies will be 3a, 3b, 3c, and others will have completely separate numbers (like 1, 2, 3). It makes it hard to plan out how to build all the operatives ahead of time unless you go 100% by the book, which it seems like you never should.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Dr. Platypus posted:

Is there a reason the Kill Team build instruction books are all formatted a little differently from each other? I'm trying to choose which team to get next between Blooded and Pathfinders, and looking at the instructions, the tau have you build all the bodies, then separates the individual specialists after, the blooded one has them all numbered 1-13, but some of the variants using the same bodies will be 3a, 3b, 3c, and others will have completely separate numbers (like 1, 2, 3). It makes it hard to plan out how to build all the operatives ahead of time unless you go 100% by the book, which it seems like you never should.

Some of this is where the teams come from: Pathfinders are a normal 40k kit with an upgrade sprue while Blooded are designed ground up for Kill Team. But also some of it is just GW being dumb. Big fan of the Vet Guard having two entirely unrelated models share an arm and Corsairs being technically illegal if built by the book

GhastlyBizness
Sep 10, 2016

seashells by the sea shorpheus
The kroot instructions showing the stalker and tracker as mutually exclusive options when they’re just… not, is another example.

Dr. Platypus
Oct 25, 2007
Kinda figured it was a mix of release circumstances and GW just not caring about that kind of internal consistency. I noticed SEVERAL outright mistakes when I was building my Legionaries, part numbers mislabeled, stuff like that. Luckily a lot of the builds can be kind of forgiving if you plan ahead. Crazy though how many regular troopers the Blooded box expects you to make if you follow the instructions directly.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Kylaer posted:

First fully-painted model for Legio Catholicus*, "The Powerwolves," Beast of Gevaudan.







*Cathericus

Because Ollanius Pius never stops reminding us about his Catheric faith.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Dr. Platypus posted:

Kinda figured it was a mix of release circumstances and GW just not caring about that kind of internal consistency. I noticed SEVERAL outright mistakes when I was building my Legionaries, part numbers mislabeled, stuff like that. Luckily a lot of the builds can be kind of forgiving if you plan ahead. Crazy though how many regular troopers the Blooded box expects you to make if you follow the instructions directly.

Yeah, I just did the first half of my Vet Guard yesterday and for one of the models, there were several mislabeled parts. Thankfully had an external guide to follow (to get all the specialists + troopers out of two boxes, since some parts are mutually exclusive) and it was obvious it was a mistake, but still. Go quality control.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
man, i was kinda interested in that darktide box for teaching people KT but not for $110, yeesh. there doesn't seem to be enough game there to justify that price, and you're paying a bunch of money for a bunch of miniatures that are only loosely connected to darktide. what a missed opportunity.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Cease to Hope posted:

man, i was kinda interested in that darktide box for teaching people KT but not for $110, yeesh. there doesn't seem to be enough game there to justify that price, and you're paying a bunch of money for a bunch of miniatures that are only loosely connected to darktide. what a missed opportunity.

If it was half the price, or if the minis were unique and not just recycled existing sculpts, then maybe I could justify it. Maybe. But this? Nah. Didn't even give it a second thought.

Dr. Platypus
Oct 25, 2007

SkyeAuroline posted:

Yeah, I just did the first half of my Vet Guard yesterday and for one of the models, there were several mislabeled parts. Thankfully had an external guide to follow (to get all the specialists + troopers out of two boxes, since some parts are mutually exclusive) and it was obvious it was a mistake, but still. Go quality control.

I've definitely made "go through the instructions online and plan how to build everyone" part of my Kill Team process, even before I buy a set. The build guides on reddit are a lifesaver for that.

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe
Measure twice, glue once.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

Dr. Platypus posted:

I've definitely made "go through the instructions online and plan how to build everyone" part of my Kill Team process, even before I buy a set. The build guides on reddit are a lifesaver for that.

I disagree with the Vet Guard Reddit guide. You're almost always better off with the melta gunner rather than the flamer, and the demoman is generally a better pick than the medic. If you can squeeze the bolter into the fanatic body to make a confidant, that's also better but maybe need some greenstuff if there's any gaps.

Then all you need is four basic guardsmen, which will hopefully set you back less than a full box of Vet Guard.

Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 21:53 on May 8, 2024

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah it depends: it's not a great one box guide, and if you can find four extra troopers it's probably better to do that. But it is nice to have options if you're gonna be getting the extra bodies anyway

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Yeah, I was planning from the start on having 20 guys, so it works fine for me. If you're going for maximum budget, it's a bad guide for that, though.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

SkyeAuroline posted:

If it was half the price, or if the minis were unique and not just recycled existing sculpts, then maybe I could justify it. Maybe. But this? Nah. Didn't even give it a second thought.

I'd buy two if it had new models based of the Rejects

E2M2
Mar 2, 2007

Ain't No Thang.

Cease to Hope posted:

man, i was kinda interested in that darktide box for teaching people KT but not for $110, yeesh. there doesn't seem to be enough game there to justify that price, and you're paying a bunch of money for a bunch of miniatures that are only loosely connected to darktide. what a missed opportunity.

I think with the discount most stores get it was $93 or so but yeah a lot for these. Was kinda hoping it would be the $40 or whatever all the Barnes and Noble boxes are

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

drat, that was my first thought too. Bunch a random old models that don’t really look like the game for triple digits? No.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Did they re-cut the sprues or do you get three ogryn and the full BSF hero cast? That's the only way that price point makes sense.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

moths posted:

Did they re-cut the sprues or do you get three ogryn and the full BSF hero cast? That's the only way that price point makes sense.

They probably re-cut the sprues. GW seem to be becoming increasingly lassiez-faire about making new sprues these days. The free Deathwing Knight a month or so back is one of the ones from the box but the parts had been recut into their own sprue.

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

moths posted:

Did they re-cut the sprues or do you get three ogryn and the full BSF hero cast? That's the only way that price point makes sense.
It looks like they've included the full sprues for the troops from The Blooded Kill Team without the Enforcer/Ogryn which I'd imagine is driving the price up.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
I know people were complaining it's a special sprue for the Ogryn. You don't even get the options for building a bulgryn.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

moths posted:

Did they re-cut the sprues or do you get three ogryn and the full BSF hero cast? That's the only way that price point makes sense.

The heroes are brand new recuts for the vet and ogryn, the traitor guard are the Blooded team without the enforcer/Ogryn sprue, and the Poxwalkers are from the old Death Guard 40K starters.

I'm not sure if the psyker and preacher are recuts or what.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Arbitor Ian just put out a Let's Play of Darktide. It looks like its biggest draw will be that it's a coop game in the 40k setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNPY2R_d-2g

This channel does mostly good lore videos with an emphasis on newbie-friendly lore and good book reviews. Pro-follow.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

mllaneza posted:

Arbitor Ian just put out a Let's Play of Darktide. It looks like its biggest draw will be that it's a coop game in the 40k setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNPY2R_d-2g

This channel does mostly good lore videos with an emphasis on newbie-friendly lore and good book reviews. Pro-follow.

This reminds me alot of a much more scaled-down Blackstone fortress, I'm glad I managed to snag a reasonable priced copy of Blackstone, even though I'll never be able to buy any of the expansions.

Dr. Platypus
Oct 25, 2007

Bug Squash posted:

I disagree with the Vet Guard Reddit guide. You're almost always better off with the melta gunner rather than the flamer, and the demoman is generally a better pick than the medic. If you can squeeze the bolter into the fanatic body, that's also better but maybe need some greenstuff if there's any gaps.

Then all you need is four basic guardsmen, which will hopefully set you back less than a full box of Vet Guard.

yeah generally I won't follow the guides EXACTLY, but just use them as a rough outline. I did a little kitbashing on my vet guard to fit all the pieces and wanted and it MOSTLY worked (other than a pretty bad gap between the hand and arm of my melta). But at the very least the guides were able to suggest some lasgun arms I could trim.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Well, my starter set still hasn't come in 8 days after the end of its delivery window, but got a game tonight - we'll be improvising tokens and and mostly working from Wahapedia, but it should be fine. Novitiates vs Legionaries, both first timers for KT. Going to be interesting. (I tried to give the guy advice for building a strong Novitiate box... which I don't think he heeded, but I'm okay with proxying anyway.)

e: Legionary victory, Novitiate didn't play the objectives and forgot about Acts of Faith (and I didn't remember them until turn 2, at which point he didn't want to start using them).

SkyeAuroline fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 10, 2024

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

My wife’s Novitiates just came in today- looking forward to building them using the Noeq Assembly Guide on Reddit to get the optimized squad (thoughts on this? Reddit seems to like it).

Forgetting about and then not using AoF seems like fighting with an arm tied back.

Professor Shark fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 10, 2024

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Professor Shark posted:

My wife’s Novitiates just came in today- looking forward to building them using the Noeq Assembly Guide on Reddit to get the optimized squad (thoughts on this? Reddit seems to like it).

Forgetting about and then not using AoF seems like fighting with an arm tied back.

I agree, but when I was checking something else at the start of turn 2 and caught it, he didn't want to start using them, so he could "learn the basics first", and was adamant on it. I got nothing on why.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




SkyeAuroline posted:

I agree, but when I was checking something else at the start of turn 2 and caught it, he didn't want to start using them, so he could "learn the basics first", and was adamant on it. I got nothing on why.

I can see doing that to ease the learning curve first time out. KT is a game that isn't terribly complex, but all the moving parts are very tightly connected.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



This got stuck as a draft!

sasha_d3ath posted:

Those sound amazing, elaborate now.

Some armies get fan-made centerpiece units to make up for their lack of titans / super heavies. Which isn't automatically bad, but they're silly.

quote:

The Kashnarak is a massive, enraged animal that squeezes through a Webway portal and is set loose on the battlefield at the beginning of any turn the Dark Eldar desire (before strategy roll) and acts as a third player. It will always attempt a barging, close combat assault on the closest formation(s), even Dark Eldar formations!


Death Wheel


berzerkmonkey posted:

tbf, the Deathwheel was in the original GW Chaos list (which never officially released), but it's definitely a silly concept.

I'd forgotten it was semi-official! We even got this:


It was meant for the cult list, along with a weird War Altar that also never appeared in lore.

The last weird fan-thing was the NECRON ABITOIR which is a floating, automated murder and butchering complex.

Upon reflection, that thing is cool as gently caress.

sasha_d3ath
Jun 3, 2016

Ban-thing the man-things.
Deathwheel is just We Have Skaven Doomwheel At Home, the rest are badass

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The Kashnarak isn't a bad idea, but its rules are a sloppy paragraph of it attacking everything (unless you babysit it with Wytches,) but also being treated as a third army.

As a unit, it's got more rules than anything else in the game - while not seeming to actually need them.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Blackstone fortress has proven to be a massive hit with my board game group, we are now gonna actually go all the way and try to finish the campaign as a whole and not just do small single-shot sessions. I will probably also try to find the expansions without the models themselves because they're much cheaper that way and figure out proxies for the models.

Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 15:01 on May 11, 2024

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
There's also an annual you can try to find, by hook or by crook, that contains 15+ new missions that were published in White Dwarf.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

There's also an annual you can try to find, by hook or by crook, that contains 15+ new missions that were published in White Dwarf.

nice thanks for the heads up.

goodness
Jan 3, 2012

When the light turns green, you go. When the light turns red, you stop. But what do you do when the light turns blue with orange and lavender spots?

Al-Saqr posted:

Blackstone fortress has proven to be a massive hit with my board game group, we are now gonna actually go all the way and try to finish the campaign as a whole and not just do small single-shot sessions. I will probably also try to find the expansions without the models themselves because they're much cheaper that way and figure out proxies for the models.

If someone in your group has a fdm printer, could check out the Trihex Citadel from Dragons Rest. Its a proxy of the terrain for Blackstone.

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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

goodness posted:

If someone in your group has a fdm printer, could check out the Trihex Citadel from Dragons Rest. Its a proxy of the terrain for Blackstone.

Wow that looks cool! I'll ask my friend about it for sure

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