|
quote:As a political position, anti-PC isn’t about exercising freedom of speech; it’s about wanting to be protected from it. if only this was something people in more mainstream outlets would say
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 18:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 23:16 |
|
|
Literally The Worst posted:i think it was more like "see i was right, you can't challenge their hivemind" Yeah I think I was confusing it with Milo's excuse "They would rather burn down the award's than let us have them! We win!"
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 18:37
|
|
|
Damonic posted:You're good. In fact, this is a good topic of discussion as plenty of Baby Boomers and RWM types do nothing but complain about liberals/millennials. What you initially posted is exactly what this thread is for. It doesn't feel that every baby boomer acts that way, I've seen a few just flat out admit they were just as bad or worse when they were growing up. I'm a bit puzzled where they're getting "entitlement" from. I don't think anyone who I've interacted with is against the concept of hard work, rather they'd like the ability to have access to things like healthcare and be compensated a bit better for said work. One of the dumbest callers I heard was ranting as to why this is why our prison system is overcrowded. Mentioning something about how no one has families any more, and how everything is immoral. It's not like there's such a thing as the Prison Industrial Complex or anything. Oh wait.  .Mostly I kind of take offense to the concept that my parents, teachers, and adult mentors are somehow to blame. They were not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but to say they "ruined" me as a person because they were not as "hard" on me is well, lame. But I suppose I'm 'One of the good ones" that these people were implying exist. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Nov 10, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 18:48
|
|
|
Right Wing Twitter is trying to go after Melissa Click for telling reporters to leave that tent area after the Mizzou announcement the other day. That whole debacle really left the tea partiers licking their wounds.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 18:59
|
|
|
Zeroisanumber posted:"The college PC crowd is just like the Soviet Communists, except that they aren't because they haven't murdered anyone, except that they totally are. Anyway, we should take this seriously, whatever that means." Johnathan Chait is a hack that plays the "liberal who calls out other liberals" part. That, and there is a new Koch funded NGO (FIRE) that is going after "the pc crowd" in colleges. Except that they've learned that they shouldn't be going after the professors, and instead try to take advantage of the "kids these days" feeling to blame students. It is also set up in a way that gives them plausible deniability of being partisan hacks. They will release a minor statement when something like the Salaita case happens, and then have an entire "rating" system that is essentially about any diversity programs the school may have. So they spend 99% of their time going after diversity and sexual harassment policies, but will use that occasional press release in favor of Salaita to claim to be bipartisan.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
Zeroisanumber posted:"The college PC crowd is just like the Soviet Communists, except that they aren't because they haven't murdered anyone, except that they totally are. Anyway, we should take this seriously, whatever that means." Abortion is considered literally murder to millions of people, and that PC Professor assaulted some pro lifer on campus a while back, smashed her sign, then said she was the real victim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KInxnZsQr3s
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:24
|
|
|
I wish that being a part of the PC Police gave me extrajudicial powers to kill Smoothrich's posting.  Where's the fun in being a SJW if you can't swing your sword?
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:29
|
|
|
Hulk Krogan posted:You mind linking that? I'd like to read it. Here you go http://america.aljazeera.com/opinio...dium=SocialFlow The response to this I've gotten is a lot of "Well we can worry about two things at once" garbage. Zeroisanumber posted:"The college PC crowd is just like the Soviet Communists, except that they aren't because they haven't murdered anyone, except that they totally are. Anyway, we should take this seriously, whatever that means." This one Right Wing guy I know posted some article from some Right Wing "news" site talking about this and all of his comments were about DARK TIMES ARE COMING. Meanwhile he's a Trump supporter. And of course all the comments about how they don't even know what they're protesting about and how they'll be outraged about something else next week and move on. I want to shoot myself in the loving head I swear to Christ. Here's the Atlantic Article I first noticed yesterday and commented on, it's the one that starts with talking about Al Jazeera https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/posts/10153785049708487 A lot of the other comments on that article are very antiPC and have likes of something like 4-500 it's very disheartening. But yeah so this was my response to their garbage article, I don't care if you guys get to see my real name, whatever. I didn't really bother with arguing against a bunch of the replies cause arguing with someone you know on Facebook is bad enough let alone complete strangers. I do love that one guy who pretty much asks me if I stopped beating my wife though.Which illustrates why it's a waste to argue on facebook. KomradeX fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Nov 10, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:34
|
|
|
FuzzySkinner posted:One of the dumbest callers I heard was ranting as to why this is why our prison system is overcrowded. Mentioning something about how no one has families any more, and how everything is immoral. It's not like there's such a thing as the Prison Industrial Complex or anything. Oh wait.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:36
|
|
|
KomradeX posted:So has anyone else seen a lot of these Atlantic articles going on about student activists "weaponizing" safe spaces and PC gone mad, these last two days? I'm on my phone or I'd link some, but my god the most liked comments for them all on Facebook are just the worst It's worth pointing out that The Atlantic doesn't really have a party line guiding their editorial staff. The guy who wrote this, Conor Friedersdorf, is their current pet conservative/libertarian, who took over after Andrew Sullivan and Megan McArdle left. If Fallows or Coates were writing on the same subject, you'd read a very different "Atlantic" article.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:38
|
|
|
Gumby posted:It's worth pointing out that The Atlantic doesn't really have a party line guiding their editorial staff. The guy who wrote this, Conor Friedersdorf, is their current pet conservative/libertarian, who took over after Andrew Sullivan and Megan McArdle left. If Fallows or Coates were writing on the same subject, you'd read a very different "Atlantic" article. Oh man, what I wouldn't give for a TNC piece on this. Incidentally, maybe Mr. Friedersdorf isn't so bad after all, seeing as he ruffled the feathers of an old friend: Mark 'Master Shake' Levin posted:Conor Friedersdorf is a very sick young man and a liar to boot. He twists and spins to smear his targets. Look at his latest.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:46
|
|
|
KomradeX posted:Here you go The ridiculous thing about the Yale example is that it really shows the truth of how dedicated to freedom of expression they are. I am not the defending the students, but the shouting started when Christakis decided to confront the students having a silent protest. If it was about freedom of expression, you'd condemn both the students who wanted him and his wife fired for her email and him for trying to stop the student protest. Not to mention that the initial yale email didn't do anything with regards to halloween costumes, just asked people to think twice before wearing black face and so on.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:47
|
|
|
Its also worthwhile to actually read the open letter to Christakis, and it's very well-written and pretty reasonable, and doesn't include demanding she resign. It's really quite frustrating and distressing that people take requests for basic respect as censorship and react with a petulant "you can't tell me what to do!" attitude.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:57
|
|
|
Gumby posted:It's worth pointing out that The Atlantic doesn't really have a party line guiding their editorial staff. The guy who wrote this, Conor Friedersdorf, is their current pet conservative/libertarian, who took over after Andrew Sullivan and Megan McArdle left. If Fallows or Coates were writing on the same subject, you'd read a very different "Atlantic" article. we have a good in d&d who actually had lunch with friedersdorf, and said that he was the whiniest person he ever met
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 19:58
|
|
|
Mr Jaunts posted:Its also worthwhile to actually read the open letter to Christakis, and it's very well-written and pretty reasonable, and doesn't include demanding she resign. That would be a marvellous response and is actually a good, vigorous debate very at odds with the people screaming for her to resign.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 20:08
|
|
|
joepinetree posted:The ridiculous thing about the Yale example is that it really shows the truth of how dedicated to freedom of expression they are. I am not the defending the students, but the shouting started when Christakis decided to confront the students having a silent protest. If it was about freedom of expression, you'd condemn both the students who wanted him and his wife fired for her email and him for trying to stop the student protest. Not to mention that the initial yale email didn't do anything with regards to halloween costumes, just asked people to think twice before wearing black face and so on. You know what, I hope they do get fired or resign and I don't care if we do get to "PC". We've spend the last 500 years catering to white, straight, cis people's feelings and loving over native North American peoples, African-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Japanese -Americans, LGBT Americans, etc; and now that those same white, straight, cis people are about to be a minority all of the sudden we need to care about letting everyone express themselves. gently caress that, if you defend racism you should be fired, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 20:17
|
|
|
pathetic little tramp posted:That would be a marvellous response and is actually a good, vigorous debate very at odds with the people screaming for her to resign. Doesn't change the fact that it makes it clear that the whole concern for "free speech" is just a convenient cover. If you value free speech, not only would you defend the right of the committee to send that original email, but that would be precisely the type of stuff from universities: an email that suggests that people think twice when choosing a costume and engage in conversation if they are not sure. And if you value free speech, a person in a position of power trying to confront students protesting should be just as problematic as the students shouting in his face. Just like the Mizzou stuff. If the concern really was with free speech, then the president's motorcade allegedly bumping students who were participating in a protest should be much more of a cause for concern than whether the students wanted to enforce "pc language."
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 20:31
|
|
|
Smoothrich posted:Abortion is considered literally murder to millions of people And millions of people are wrong, what's your point?
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 20:59
|
|
|
joepinetree posted:The ridiculous thing about the Yale example is that it really shows the truth of how dedicated to freedom of expression they are. I am not the defending the students, but the shouting started when Christakis decided to confront the students having a silent protest. If it was about freedom of expression, you'd condemn both the students who wanted him and his wife fired for her email and him for trying to stop the student protest. Not to mention that the initial yale email didn't do anything with regards to halloween costumes, just asked people to think twice before wearing black face and so on. The problem always than becomes arguing slippery slopes. Since if we fire people for being racist abs offensive, how will you feel if you get fired for being a socialist or something. There is always a new excuse for why we have to tolerate the intolerant or that makes us hypocrites (no it doesn't)
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 21:05
|
|
|
CHECKMATE LIBERALS, RONDA ROUSEY ISN'T SUPPORTING HILLARY!!! http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/10/ronda-rousey-to-be-honest-theres-no-way-ill-vote-for-hillary/ *Because she's supporting Bernie Sanders
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 22:03
|
|
|
pathetic little tramp posted:CHECKMATE LIBERALS, RONDA ROUSEY ISN'T SUPPORTING HILLARY!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 22:26
|
|
|
Smoothrich posted:Abortion is considered literally murder to millions of people It isn't to many more millions. Democracy, bud.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 22:37
|
|
|
beatlegs posted:It isn't to many more millions. Democracy, bud. I'm pro-choice but that video of the PC Police Professor attacking a peaceful activist then playing the victim card about her Safe Space is disgraceful to America and higher education. Abortion is like 50/50 split too, it's very divisive. Even though one third of women get an abortion in their lifetime, I think. Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Nov 10, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 22:53
|
|
|
Smoothrich posted:I'm pro-choice but that video of the PC Police Professor attacking a peaceful activist then playing the victim card about her Safe Space is disgraceful to America and higher education. And that's why we shouldn't put civil liberties and human rights up to a vote.
|
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2015 23:05
|
|
|
pathetic little tramp posted:CHECKMATE LIBERALS, RONDA ROUSEY ISN'T SUPPORTING HILLARY!!! Aw good for her. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders too. Should be a fun general with great debates.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 00:08
|
|
|
The only issue I take with the PC safe space trigger warning crowd is when they demand that certain works are not studied, parts of history are ignored and such. Yes Huck Finn has a poo poo ton of racism in it, but you can read it and analyze it to why this was the case, what was going on in American society were that was tolerated. Or studying stuff like genocide how did people get to a point were they're okay with the mass murder of people for no reason other than who they are. They're not comfortable subjects because they shouldn't be, they should make you feel uneasy, but by studying them you learn about human nature and how to better it. If you don't want to challenge yourself and step outside your comfort zone, you probably shouldn't be going to University. That sounds kind of harsh but pretty much all classes post their reading materials and subject matter in the course description, so you can see if the class may be teaching something that you may be comfortable with, and you can avoid it. Thing is, the majority of the people coming out complaining about this stuff are far in the minority, and the issue gets magnified because some news outlet picks it up and makes it sound like tons of students are upset by being forced to read Antigone, when its barely a handful. Anyways, most of the time it seems like its conservative students who are getting all triggers by "liberal" stuff like facts and reality in history and literature classes.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 03:03
|
|
|
I usually find the people complaining about PC are the types who want to say incredibly racist or misogynistic poo poo without consequence and the type who think people should 'Stop being pussies'
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 03:04
|
|
|
twistedmentat posted:That sounds kind of harsh but pretty much all classes post their reading materials and subject matter in the course description, so you can see if the class may be teaching something that you may be comfortable with, and you can avoid it. That's all that a trigger warning is - a heads up that you're going to be covering possibly traumatizing/triggering events in the class. That way you can either emotionally prep yourself to deal with it, or take a different class.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 03:20
|
|
|
twistedmentat posted:The only issue I take with the PC safe space trigger warning crowd is when they demand that certain works are not studied, parts of history are ignored and such. Yes Huck Finn has a poo poo ton of racism in it, but you can read it and analyze it to why this was the case, what was going on in American society were that was tolerated. Or studying stuff like genocide how did people get to a point were they're okay with the mass murder of people for no reason other than who they are. They're not comfortable subjects because they shouldn't be, they should make you feel uneasy, but by studying them you learn about human nature and how to better it. If you don't want to challenge yourself and step outside your comfort zone, you probably shouldn't be going to University. That sounds kind of harsh but pretty much all classes post their reading materials and subject matter in the course description, so you can see if the class may be teaching something that you may be comfortable with, and you can avoid it. The idea that colleges are restricting material to accommodate the "PC crowd" is an urban myth. You won't find a single respectable college that doesn't have it covered, just like pretty much every controversial topic. In fact, censorship is much more likely to happen at religious schools for religious reasons. The idea that the "PC safe space" crowd is having in any way a major impact on college curriculum is not backed up by any evidence.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 03:30
|
|
|
PUGGERNAUT posted:That's all that a trigger warning is - a heads up that you're going to be covering possibly traumatizing/triggering events in the class. That way you can either emotionally prep yourself to deal with it, or take a different class. That means they already exist, so there's no surprises when you take Antebellum US History and find out its mostly about Slavery and killing First Nations. I guess they could be more clear on what exactly can be expected when its a literature class. Someone may not be aware that in a Modern Fiction class that studies Gravity's Rainbow they're going to read about a lot of sex, much of it non consensual. CommieGIR posted:I usually find the people complaining about PC are the types who want to say incredibly racist or misogynistic poo poo without consequence and the type who think people should 'Stop being pussies' They also mistake criticism for censorship. They don't want free speech, they want consequence free speech, which is not free speech because it seeks to muzzle the speech of those already disenfranchised. joepinetree posted:The idea that colleges are restricting material to accommodate the "PC crowd" is an urban myth. You won't find a single respectable college that doesn't have it covered, just like pretty much every controversial topic. In fact, censorship is much more likely to happen at religious schools for religious reasons. The idea that the "PC safe space" crowd is having in any way a major impact on college curriculum is not backed up by any evidence. Yea, but there are people complain about materials that made them uncomfortable, and that gets picked up and used to fuel PC GONE WILD!!!!! Stories from RWM. I cannot find any info that any school has actually banned materials from being taught because of this stuff. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Nov 11, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 03:37
|
|
|
Wait, am i missing the joke or are you really saying that what people can say should be limited by what rwm will do with it?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 04:21
|
|
|
joepinetree posted:Wait, am i missing the joke or are you really saying that what people can say should be limited by what rwm will do with it? No, I'm saying that people with the complaints are used as fodder by RWM to inflate an nonexistent problem. It's not their fault that they're being used as pawns in the industry of stupid. They have the right to take issue with stuff, as the problem stems from the RWM not them. I have a personal problem with people who don't bother to look into the subject matter of a class and then get offended when it comes up, and rather than talking to the professor they take it to social media. Obviously some profs would dismiss it, but I'd hope any that are socially minded would help the student deal with the subject matter that was causing the issue.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 05:42
|
|
|
Name literally one case of someone getting a historical event or something removed from their entire university because it made them uncomfortable.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 06:21
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:What crawled up your rear end? I suspect you love those talking points and agree with them. Honestly it was more just being annoyed with that specific dude I was responding to and his habit of posting "what a weird thing they would say on local radio!! How should I respond to it?" But I guess I'm the only one who finds that irritating to read through so I'm probably the idiot
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 06:29
|
|
|
Tatum Girlparts posted:Name literally one case of someone getting a historical event or something removed from their entire university because it made them uncomfortable. No one. Where did I say it did? I said the complains exist, but nothing was acted on it. Anyways, the Right Wing is more interested in limiting or outright banning certain topics from education than the left. Proper historical research favors the left anyways by examining the roles of people who are not White Christian Men. Looking into the contributions of women and non-whites opens up history a lot better than just studying presidents, generals and industrialists. If the RW had their way, it would be celebratory history all day and all night.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 06:49
|
|
|
PUGGERNAUT posted:That's all that a trigger warning is - a heads up that you're going to be covering possibly traumatizing/triggering events in the class. That way you can either emotionally prep yourself to deal with it, or take a different class. I.e., what people like smoothrich believe is that it's ok to call black people niggers in public and if they don't like it then they should just toughen up. This is not an exaggeration of what they're saying. Also, how long has the RWM been trying to rebrand war-loving politicians as "defense hawks"? Some conservative NGO shill getting interviewed on Bohannon tonight used that term and I burst out laughing.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 06:50
|
|
|
I don't know anything about George Will aside from the fact that Dennis Prager thinks that he and Charles Krauthammer are the two foremost intellectuals in America. So I assume he's a giant poo poo head?
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 07:14
|
|
|
Tatum Girlparts posted:Name literally one case of someone getting a historical event or something removed from their entire university because it made them uncomfortable. Mississippi state flag. Try harder.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 07:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 23:16 |
|
|
L-Boned posted:Mississippi state flag. Try harder.  You should have said "the Confederate flag at South Carolina's state capital." Get yourself out of the scrub tier before trying again.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2015 07:50
|
|