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HSBC threatens to leave every time someone so much as looks at them sideways. They can get hosed.
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Gonzo McFee posted:HSBC threatens to leave every time someone so much as looks at them sideways. They can get hosed. MrL_JaKiri posted:Got to the beds claim (that 1,000 fewer beds are available now than in 2012), looked up the England figures and found that England has 6,000 fewer beds available now compared to 2012. Anyway, we all know that politics isn't about facts so I'll go back to not posting again
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Apr 24, 2015 13:30
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http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=15885&LangID=E So - is this a serious thing or will we never hear anything of it? United Nations urges UK to reign in Nazi - like articles in British Tabloids by specifically citing She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:41
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HSBC threatens to leave the UK pretty much every year. It's a toff tradition, like the proms. 2010, 2011, 2012 And that's just from lazily googling "HSBC threatens to leave", I'm pretty sure you could refine the search and get a hit for every year since Magna Carta. MrL_JaKiri posted:Got to the beds claim (that 1,000 fewer beds are available now than in 2012), looked up the England figures and found that England has 6,000 fewer beds available now compared to 2012. Anyway, we all know that politics isn't about facts so I'll go back to not posting again
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Apr 24, 2015 13:45
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Got to the beds claim (that 1,000 fewer beds are available now than in 2012), looked up the England figures and found that England has 6,000 fewer beds available now compared to 2012. Anyway, we all know that politics isn't about facts so I'll go back to not posting again Sorry to draw you back in (possibly), but why did you stop posting? I always enjoyed your posts.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:48
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E: the curse of the double post
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Apr 24, 2015 13:48
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LemonDrizzle posted:Fees have been in place since the late 90s, so the cohort that pays them goes back to the early 80s, not 94. Anyone who "avoids" fees by paying them off up front with a lump sum will pay far more in real/present value terms than most people. The Government can contract any company to collect taxes if it so desires, just as easily as it can sell off the SLC's loanbooks. The income threshold is indexed to wage growth, which historically matches or exceeds inflation. Of course the traditional university education scheme is pretty junk to begin with and will likely change radically over the next 30-40 years as people realize spending 3-4 productive years pissing around is a waste of everyone's time and money.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:49
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Igiari posted:Sorry to draw you back in (possibly), but why did you stop posting? I always enjoyed your posts. He's too busy rowing and being posh.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:58
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Hey now I row and I am not po... wait I row, grew up in Surrey... gently caress!
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Apr 24, 2015 14:01
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Soulless multinational bureaucrats meddling in English affairs  quote:UN human rights chief denounces Sun over Katie Hopkins 'cockroach' column And a new poll: quote:Latest Populus VI:
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LemonDrizzle posted:Fees have been in place since the late 90s, so the cohort that pays them goes back to the early 80s, not 94. Anyone who "avoids" fees by paying them off up front with a lump sum will pay far more in real/present value terms than most people. The Government can contract any company to collect taxes if it so desires, just as easily as it can sell off the SLC's loanbooks. The income threshold is indexed to wage growth, which historically matches or exceeds inflation. Oh come on, I was obviously talking about the people who suffer £9000 per year fees rather than £3000 per year fees. And I don't give a poo poo if the rich pay more in absolute terms on average - the entire point of a tax system taking a percentage of income rather than a flat amount of money is that everyone should put a similar amount of utility into the system, not a similar amount of money. And if you want to sell the idea of fees as a tax, this is a tax where the very rich pay a negligible proportion of their income once while most people pay an extra 10% on everything over £20,000 until they're 50. That's just perverse. The fact that some income ranges pay more than the rich even in absolute terms due to interest is just the cherry on the poo poo sundae. And selling off the student loan book isn't really equivalent to contracting out tax collection, since that would still imply some level of accountability. It's more like selling off the right to collect taxes altogether, which would be completely politically infeasible. For what it's worth I came in under the wire with the old fees, and was lucky enough to have parents able to pay them. I'm all in favour of paying more tax myself in exchange for not dismantling the welfare state, even as someone who doesn't reach the 40% bracket. I'd even be in favour of a universally applied graduate tax. But taxing people based on the year they were born in is just hosed up.
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Apr 24, 2015 14:28
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Katie Hopkins is just a troll who has mistaken attention for love. I wish everyone would just flat out ignore her. Don't even condemn or refute the racist/sexist/classist twaddle she spouts, just 100% refuse to even acknowledge it. She'd soon go away.
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Apr 24, 2015 14:28
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Spalec posted:Katie Hopkins is just a troll who has mistaken attention for love. It's all very well saying just ignore her when she's being a Twitter troll, the issue here is that the editors of the sun, a very popular national newspaper, are willing to publish such vile nonsense. Saying "just ignore her" doesn't work because the only people who will do so are in no danger of being swayed or influenced by her hate speech anyway.
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Apr 24, 2015 14:39
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pumpinglemma posted:I'd even be in favour of a universally applied graduate tax. But taxing people based on the year they were born in is just hosed up. Except it's a tax on earnings not a tax on what year somebody was born. Would it be fairer to suddenly apply a graduate tax to anybody who graduated from a university retrospectively? Of course not - any such tax would apply to people who haven't even started university yet. And then your complaint, such as it is, would still stand.
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Apr 24, 2015 14:47
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XMNN posted:If you lived in Thanet would you vote Tory to keep Farage out? I hate them as much as the next person, but one extra Tory MP is going to be a lot less damaging than Farage getting into parliament. You vote for Al Murray.
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Apr 24, 2015 14:48
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pumpinglemma posted:taxing people based on the year they were born in is just hosed up. no wait, i think you're onto something!
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Apr 24, 2015 14:50
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labour are in the lead in clegg's constituency and the snp are in the lead in the LD deputy leader's seat so who are cameron and miliband actually going to be negotiating with
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Apr 24, 2015 14:57
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Coohoolin posted:You vote for Al Murray.  e:can't stop loving around with tooterfish fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Apr 24, 2015 14:58
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coffeetable posted:labour are in the lead in clegg's constituency and the snp are in the lead in the LD deputy leader's seat The SNP/UKIP, obviously. Do the lib dems even have any seats any more? Actually, that's a point, if the lib dems lose all their seats and UKIP don't win any more, can the conservatives realistically win? Because the SNP can't collab with them, so even if they wanted to they couldn't form a coalition government, thus making a lab/whoever coalition the only possibly government.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:01
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Even in a worst case scenario the Lib Dems are still going to have the fourth largest block of seats. Anyone looking to form a government is going to need to be willing to speak to them.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:05
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Spalec posted:Katie Hopkins is just a troll who has mistaken attention for love. She's way beyond the line though, far beyond what we decry as 'fascist' in Farage and UKIP. That article and the references to cockroaches were a mere whisker away from the propaganda equating Jews with rats. It's literal hate speech, as plain as day, and must be confronted. Prince John fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Apr 24, 2015 15:07
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OwlFancier posted:The SNP/UKIP, obviously. Do the lib dems even have any seats any more?
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Apr 24, 2015 15:08
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If Katie Hopkins went away they'd just find another sociopath to be the face of their more genocidal views to the public.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:12
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Prince John posted:She's way beyond the line though, far beyond what we decry as 'fascist' in Farage and UKIP. the Hutus called Tutsis cockroaches in Rwanda in the run up to their genocide
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Apr 24, 2015 15:15
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Guavanaut posted:They will still take Shetland, Orkney, and areas of Cornwall. They will always take those.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:17
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Guavanaut posted:They will still take Shetland, Orkney, and areas of Cornwall. They will always take those. That's what we thought about Charles Kennedy, and he's losing to the SNP.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:25
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Coohoolin posted:That's what we thought about Charles Kennedy, and he's losing to the SNP. Was he seen as an effective constituency MP?
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Apr 24, 2015 15:27
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Prince John posted:Was he seen as an effective constituency MP? I have no idea, just that common knowledge seemed to be "could take a dump on the high street and win".
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Apr 24, 2015 15:28
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Everyone loves Charles Kennedy. But really if he wanted to avoid getting run out he should have resigned from the Lib Dems and ran as an independent.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:30
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The Lib-Dem leadership being wiped out is pretty much the final nail for any future coalitions. No one's going to do a pact if it doubles as a suicide note.
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The LibDems have their greatest concentration of supporters in SW London now, from Twickenham to Carshalton. Their support has massively eroded in every other region, with only stray constituencies holding out.
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JoylessJester posted:The Lib-Dem leadership being wiped out is pretty much the final nail for any future coalitions. No one's going to do a pact if it doubles as a suicide note. e: also Farage is apparently sick of the negative campaigns that other parties are running and wants to sell UKIP's upbeat positive message. Should be interesting. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Apr 24, 2015 15:34
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JoylessJester posted:The Lib-Dem leadership being wiped out is pretty much the final nail for any future coalitions. No one's going to do a pact if it doubles as a suicide note. In general, or specifically with opposed parties? Because I don't think the backlash would have been as great if it had been with Labour, especially Labour at the time. That the lib dems have essentially propped up the tory government of the last 5 years without any question, is the objection, I think.
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If the Lib Dems lose Orkney & Shetland then I've got to think they're done for as a party. I think it's hard to understand for people who haven't been up there what it's like; the Shetland isles in particular. They're Lib Dem through and through.
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Exciting news!quote:Michael Heseltine, the former Conservative deputy prime minister who championed the regeneration of Britain’s inner cities in the 1980s, is being lined up by the shadow business secretary, Chuka Umunna, to advise Labour in government. Also: 
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Apr 24, 2015 15:43
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Pissflaps posted:Except it's a tax on earnings not a tax on what year somebody was born. I have no idea what you mean when you say a universal graduate tax would hit people who haven't started university - that sounds like a contradiction in terms...
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Soylent Green posted:If the Lib Dems lose Orkney & Shetland then I've got to think they're done for as a party. I think it's hard to understand for people who haven't been up there what it's like; the Shetland isles in particular. They're Lib Dem through and through. One of the projections is suggesting this, but its quite frankly a ridiculous proposition: its been one of the safest Liberal seats pretty much every election since 1950 and has survived lower points in the history of the Liberal Party than this. Also you would expect the islands to not have a huge SNP base, but the referendum results may suggest that has been exaggerated. Although you probably should expect Lib Dem performance to be a little odd: it usually is. They'll probably lose a bunch of seats in the Highlands and the South West which they've held for donkeys years, yet somehow hold on to seats like Solihull which they gained in 2005 shocking everyone since the thing was among the safest Tory seats in the country...
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pumpinglemma posted:I have no idea what you mean when you say a universal graduate tax would hit people who haven't started university - that sounds like a contradiction in terms... It means that the idea of applying a graduate tax on anybody who has graduated from university in the past is absurd and would only apply to future graduates. The current regime not a tax on 'the year you are born' it's on when you went to university and under what circumstances.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:56
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Coohoolin posted:That's what we thought about Charles Kennedy, and he's losing to the SNP.
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freebooter posted:Yeah, Australia had a minority government from 2010-2013 with Labour propped up by independents and the Greens, and the Tory opposition leader (now PM and noted torture apologist Tony Abbott) was constantly attacking its legitimacy and demanding an early election. It was a constant, excruciatingly irritating background noise. Australia is full of cicadas, they should be used to that
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