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The more teams in MLS, the closer we are to pro/rel.
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Seltzer posted:No more teams! the time for this was before all the cascadian teams were let in its too late now
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May 24, 2018 21:17
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One of the big things I hate about the expansion, aside from the obvious dilution of talent, is just how nebulous the teams become outside of your rivals. I used to have a basic understanding of every team in the league, now I honestly couldn't tell you a drat thing about the whitecaps this season for instance. I like the idea of knowing the league and your opponents but now it's becoming impossible. The "solution" of conferences like in football would be an even worse solution to me, I would absolutely hate that. I know more about Crystal Palace than I do the Dynamo and I just have a passing interest in the PL.
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May 24, 2018 21:22
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Yeah NFL style conferences would be the death of MLS. It's fun to play everyone else every year.
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May 24, 2018 21:50
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"dilution of talent" isn't an actual issue with MLS because there are thousands of talented players outside MLS who can be brought to MLS growing the league and fanbase means adding more teams. Theres no reason the league should be arbitrarily restricted to 24 teams or whatever when theres plenty of other completely viable soccer markets and theres no lack of talented soccer players.
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May 24, 2018 22:39
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G-Hawk posted:"dilution of talent" isn't an actual issue with MLS because there are thousands of talented players outside MLS who can be brought to MLS Source your quotes
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May 24, 2018 22:47
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G-Hawk posted:"dilution of talent" isn't an actual issue with MLS because there are thousands of talented players outside MLS who can be brought to MLS No, you see, the new teams stole all the good talent from the old teams and now LA Galaxy and DC United are bad. It's because of the new teams! They're monsters! They're... MONSTARS!
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May 24, 2018 23:08
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G-Hawk posted:"dilution of talent" isn't an actual issue with MLS because there are thousands of talented players outside MLS who can be brought to MLS Counterpoint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Gordon_(soccer)
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May 24, 2018 23:28
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You have to have a certain amount of Americans on your roster, you are aware of that right? The pool of good Americans is very small and they're basically either in Europe, on dp contracts or coming out of like two teams academies (including ours).
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May 25, 2018 00:10
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Seltzer posted:The pool of good Americans is very small and Hmm, let's add 40 more teams then
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May 25, 2018 00:12
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Can’t wait for the league to add 20 more glamour locations like Flagstaff and Buffalo
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May 25, 2018 01:09
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Seltzer posted:You have to have a certain amount of Americans on your roster, you are aware of that right? The pool of good Americans is very small and they're basically either in Europe, on dp contracts or coming out of like two teams academies (including ours). and more teams = more academies = more american talent
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May 25, 2018 01:12
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G-Hawk posted:if only they could change that number. Or get rid of intl slots all together. I guess nothing can be done! So you want to watch a b-rate hybrid of the Brazilian Campeonato and Argentina Primera Liga? Our academy system is so far behind basically everyone, thinking that adding new franchises with their half assed symbolic academy systems will do anything is a joke. The academies that have succeeded have basically bucked the system and are unicorns at the moment.
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May 25, 2018 01:45
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Solution: every expansion team from here on out can be relegated, everyone else is immune. Best of both worlds
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May 25, 2018 01:51
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G-Hawk posted:if only they could change that number. Or get rid of intl slots all together. I guess nothing can be done! The entire point of this league is to develop American talent, that's why those rules are there in the first place
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May 25, 2018 01:51
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Explicitely allow political protests during MLS games and recruit all the NFL players who will be fined by Trump's bullshit, then we will finally answer the age old question about good athletes choosing soccer over pointyball
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May 25, 2018 01:59
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I would like to root for a team that doesn’t try to impress Wayne Rooney by putting him up in the Trump International Hotel. Barring that, I would like to continue to watch this team from the Queen Vic
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May 25, 2018 02:01
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Jermaine Dildoe posted:The entire point of this league is to develop American talent, that's why those rules are there in the first place MLS: 23 Year of Failure.
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May 25, 2018 02:01
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G-Hawk posted:and more teams = more academies = more american talent Not even necessarily "more academies" (though there would be), just "more scouts" would even be enough. The random Canadian dude who bossed TFC's last game and scored the winner got his contract because he impressed in a rec league game that some TFC suit was playing in. The US and Canada are huge and a ton of players or potential players slip through the cracks and go undiscovered, because the massive talent funnelling infrastructure that exists for the other sports isn't really present to the same degree in North American soccer. Whether "more teams" means splitting MLS into conferences, or into MLS1/MLS2, or whether those "more teams" go to USL or whatever zombie NASL iteration Rocco decides to raise from the grave (not to mention the CPL), there absolutely need to be more teams and if someone can keep one alive as a business, more power to them. So far "keep a team alive as a business" has meant "play in MLS or maybe USL". Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 02:22 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 02:19
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MLS academy teams get beat by high school teams. They are bad
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May 25, 2018 02:22
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Guys, what if Lebron played soccer?
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Guys, what if Lebron played soccer? He'd still lose in game 7.
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May 25, 2018 04:26
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Dallan Invictus posted:Not even necessarily "more academies" (though there would be), just "more scouts" would even be enough. The random Canadian dude who bossed TFC's last game and scored the winner got his contract because he impressed in a rec league game that some TFC suit was playing in. yeah this. becoming a national (and really 2 country) league means having teams in more than 10 or 12 or 20 or 24 places. And American talent growth along with international players are more than able to support adding a team or 2 every season or two with no downside even if you think promotion/relegation is the future, its alot more likely to happen through a mls structure that eventually turns into 2 leagues than from outside MLS
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May 25, 2018 06:52
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G-Hawk posted:yeah this. yeah owners would probably be more okay with it if it's "okay you're still in MLS, you're just in MLS2 playing against the other MLS2 teams" rather than "bam down to NASL you go". Even if it amounts to the same thing.
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May 25, 2018 15:27
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If they get revenue sharing, MLS.2 owners probably wouldn’t care.
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May 25, 2018 19:33
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Jermaine Dildoe posted:The entire point of this league is to develop American talent, that's why those rules are there in the first place By the way, I unironically believe this is one of the reasons the league (and especially the MLS web staff) give the Dynamo short shrift in reporting and whistles on the field. Wilmer Cabrera doesn’t care about developing American talent. In fact, he’s happy to develop talent that plays against USA in international competition. And most Houston fans don’t care about Team USA either. We’re different from most league towns in that respect. 
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May 26, 2018 19:53
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silvergoose posted:yeah owners would probably be more okay with it if it's "okay you're still in MLS, you're just in MLS2 playing against the other MLS2 teams" rather than "bam down to NASL you go". Even if it amounts to the same thing. Once you get to this point what is the difference really, between just breaking the league up into division/conferences eternal?
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G-Hawk posted:even if you think promotion/relegation is the future, its alot more likely to happen through a mls structure that eventually turns into 2 leagues than from outside MLS Note: this is how it has basically always happened. Even in the canonical open league (that is, England), the professional league was closed (instead, the bottom team had to face a vote of the existing members, and were only relegated if they lost the vote against whoever would replace them), and new divisions were added as more and more teams were up to standard and admitted into the league. The fully open pyramid structure we're familiar with now didn't solidify until the 80s - that is, nearly a hundred years after they started, after conditions had developed to make it workable. Jack2142 posted:Once you get to this point what is the difference really, between just breaking the league up into division/conferences eternal? There's an argument to be made about the pressure involved in relegation battles and what that does to players (both positive and negative), but a lot of that comes from financial consequences that would probably be mitigated in any MLS-driven version of that mechanic, so at that point it would come down to dueling aesthetic preferences. I'm not sure precisely why the AL and NL decided to split horizontally (that is, separate but equal leagues with a postseason playoff between them) rather than vertically (separate leagues with promotion and relegation between them) when they decided to work together in 1903 - but I suspect a lot of things would be very different if they had taken the English example there, because subsequent American sports have largely aimed to solve their "too many teams" problems in the same way baseball did.
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May 29, 2018 15:40
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Dallan Invictus posted:Note: this is how it has basically always happened. Even in the canonical open league (that is, England), the professional league was closed (instead, the bottom team had to face a vote of the existing members, and were only relegated if they lost the vote against whoever would replace them), and new divisions were added as more and more teams were up to standard and admitted into the league. The fully open pyramid structure we're familiar with now didn't solidify until the 80s - that is, nearly a hundred years after they started, after conditions had developed to make it workable. I was thinking recently about pro/rel in the states, and I was comparing it to Baseball. Instead of the teams being promoted and relegated through the leagues, it is almost as if the players are instead. Don't play well? We ship you to Arizona to play on a triple-A team. Do well? Get called up to play in the Majors and maybe secure your big $$$ for a while. Since we sort of have our farm teams playing in the USL, it would be interesting if MLS grew to two 15 team divisions, with a supporting league (or two) underneath for pro/rel. Bottom 1-2 of each division get swapped out with the top 1-2 of NASL or USL or MLS2 or whatever it becomes. Naturally it won't happen for at least 5 years after the last team gets tacked on to MLS and we hit 30 or 40 or 100 teams or whatever.
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https://twitter.com/MLS/status/1001584635778863106
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May 29, 2018 23:02
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Booooooooooooooo.
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May 29, 2018 23:33
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Dead set on making Ohio work despite all evidence to the contrary.
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May 29, 2018 23:52
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Shrapnig posted:Booooooooooooooo. It was the best turnkey option. We all know it.
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May 30, 2018 00:52
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Hi new friends!  I am stoked!
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May 30, 2018 01:47
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Shrapnig posted:Booooooooooooooo. WE'RE FULL
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May 30, 2018 01:59
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porkface posted:Dead set on making Ohio work despite all evidence to the contrary. Every team should have to start in Ohio, prove they can play for 5 years, then move to a city that actually wants a team.
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May 30, 2018 02:04
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At least there will be an even number of teams next year. Unless there is another expansion team I'm forgetting.
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May 30, 2018 02:09
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Nashville's coming in 2020. That is also the time when Miami is supposed to start playing, so the heat death of the universe is coming WAY sooner than anticipated.
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May 30, 2018 02:12
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This Armentaros goal https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/UncommonLonelyFattaileddunnart
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whypick1 posted:Nashville's coming in 2020. That is also the time when Miami is supposed to start playing, so the heat death of the universe is coming WAY sooner than anticipated. The new Beckham partners (the Mas brothers) want to build their SSS on land currently occupied by a public golf course, instead of Overtown. They were supposed to be working on a deadline to get a public vote this summer, but nothing has happened so the soonest it could happen is in November. MLS was talking about Miami in 2020 but at this rate I'd be surprised if it happens before 2021 at the earliest, assuming no more delays. Or, you know, MLS could let the Tampa Bay Rowdies in, instead, and let Miami be team number 29 or 30, whenever that happens. Bill Edwards needs to sign up a multi-billionaire or two for #MLS2StPete to happen, apparently. MLS has no teams with green and yellow hooped kit; just sayin'.
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