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Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Godholio posted:

The C-5s are based at Stewart, and off-station transition training (low approaches and touch-n-goes) is actually required for pilot proficiency. I think it's more likely they were doing that than missing landings and diverting to their home base.

Going back many pages, the C-5s are gone from Stewart. We have C-17s now. A C-5 came in the other day, after I hadn't heard one in months, and I got all teary eyed. My whole life I heard that awesome noise and now I don't anymore :(

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Admiral Bosch
Apr 19, 2007
Who is Admiral Aken Bosch, and what is that old scoundrel up to?


Post more Phantoms, thanks

Akion
May 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer

Admiral Bosch posted:



Post more Phantoms, thanks

Phantoms, you say?


Oh wait, not that kind...

Phantom + F5 awesomenessssssssss!


Click for gigantic.


Downs Tiger Phantom Thing.


One of these is an overpriced, janky plane that is a danger to it's pilot and shouldn't be flying anymore. The other is an F4 Phantom.


stackofawesome.jpg

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

VikingSkull posted:

awesome noise

WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think that's the first time that phrase and FRED have been used together in the same sentence.

(In case you're unfamiliar with what we are referring to):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuZ7VYjaio8

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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iyaayas01 posted:

WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think that's the first time that phrase and FRED have been used together in the same sentence.
Sorry, I'm above the age of 8 and may have missed your fred reference. Did you mean instead to link to a Nickelodeon clip?

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD seems to be the sound that the C-5 makes as it passes over the crowd. I know it's odd to hear any Lockheed-Martin craft make any noise other that " *kaaa-chunk* Oh Sweet Jesus where's my air!!! " but it happens from airshow to airshow.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

Wikipedia posted:

The C-5 is a large high-wing cargo aircraft. It has a distinctive high T-tail, 25-degree wing sweep, and four TF39 turbofan engines mounted on pylons beneath the wings. The C-5 is similar in layout to its smaller predecessor, the C-141 Starlifter. The C-5 has 12 internal wing tanks and is equipped for aerial refueling. It has both nose and aft doors for "drive-through" loading and unloading of cargo.[44] The C-5 is also known as FRED (loving,[N 1] ridiculous, economic/environmental disaster)[47] by its crews due to its maintenance/reliability issues and large consumption of fuel.[47]

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Citizen Z posted:

The guy that heads the museum it is General Stafford, former Apollo Astronaut and AF test pilot. He commanded the Apollo Soyuz linkup mission, and him and his Commie buddy from it exchange knick-nacks. If you're ever driving along I-40 in Western OK, stop in Weatherford and spend the $5 to go check it out. It's a neat little place.

They need to put up a loving sign somewhere. I've driven through Weatherford dozens of times and never knew it was there.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

iyaayas01 posted:

WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think that's the first time that phrase and FRED have been used together in the same sentence.

(In case you're unfamiliar with what we are referring to):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuZ7VYjaio8

It sounds like that and can launch an ICBM. Easily the most badass piece of military kit ever devised :colbert:

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

VikingSkull posted:

It sounds like that and can launch an ICBM. Easily the most badass piece of military kit ever devised :colbert:

I ended up staying on base in Keflavik right when NATO got involved in Kosovo and it was pretty much just an endless train of C-5s and C-17s coming and going. Now I think of a crazy cold place with no trees when I see them.

Alpine Mustache
Jul 11, 2000

What is the tube thing protruding from the left wing right above the hardpoint on a couple of those photos? Some kind of camera?

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Google tells me that its a Northrop TISEO (Target Identification System Electro-Optical) I believe used to laze ground targets for bombs.

quote:

On March 13, 1973, State Department officials reported that, in addition to further F-4E Phantoms already committed, Washington would sell Israel four squadrons of fighter-bombers, a mix of A-4 Skyhawks and improved F- 4Es with leading-edge maneuvering slats, TISEO (target identification system, electro-optical), and 'man-efficient' to be delivered by January 1974. TISEO was a Northrop-built long-range television in a cylindrical extension from the Phantom's port wing, and was untested in air-to-air battle, although the principle-use of a zoom lens to guide ordnance visually-had planted bombs squarely in the center of Hanoi's Paul Doumer Bridge.


Plinkey fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Feb 28, 2013

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

TISEO can't laze poo poo, it's just an optical system (TV sensor behind a x10 zoom lens).

dubzee
Oct 23, 2008



Hoopy Frood
May 1, 2008
I hope you can excuse my terrible camera and camera skills, but I thought some of you might be interested to see what a B-52 bomb bay looks like. Pics were taken at the biannual Melbourne Airshow yesterday:

http://imgur.com/KQoe4lo

http://imgur.com/yD8mA4N

http://imgur.com/3gggc7l

That last one cracked me up. Crazy to think that almost every part on something this big must be catalogued somewhere.

This next one might interest some of you, as the RAAF is one of the few countries flying it, along with Turkey and South Korea. It's a modern AWACS variant called the Wedgetail, named after a native Australian eagle.

http://imgur.com/3g8lWMq

I've got some other photos, but these are the only ones I thought might interest some of you. Planes of interest were an F-22, US F-16, RAAF F-18 Super Hornet, retired RAAF BaE Hawk, non flying Sabre, RAAF & US C-17 and an RAAF P-3 Orion as well as an ex-RAAF P-51 and Spitfire. They also had a Super Connie on display and I would have loved to look inside it but they were charging 5 bucks for the privilege.

EDIT: Mother of God, those pictures are huge. Changed pics to links.

Hoopy Frood fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 4, 2013

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The Wedgetail is a nice piece of kit. I've got several buddies teaching the Turks how to use theirs up in Seattle. The contract started before I got off active duty so I missed out, sadly.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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Hoopy Frood posted:

EDIT: Mother of God, those pictures are huge. Changed pics to links.
FYI, if you stick an l right before the .jpg in the url, imgur will resize them automatically to 640x480.





iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Godholio posted:

The Wedgetail is a nice piece of kit.

Aussies seem to like theirs, both ops and mx. It was unusual to see maintainers on a C2 platform who weren't absolutely beat down and hating life.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Godholio posted:

The Wedgetail is a nice piece of kit. I've got several buddies teaching the Turks how to use theirs up in Seattle. The contract started before I got off active duty so I missed out, sadly.

A couple guys I worked with are hanging in Seattle right now doing something with Wedgetail. I've kind of lost track of them though. It was a pretty hot program to get on to. Spend some time in Seattle then go to Australia for a year or two then maybe Turkey and somewhere else that I forget.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Dammit the frigging Aussies get AEW&C? Now I am jealous on behalf of my country :(

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

priznat posted:

Dammit the frigging Aussies get AEW&C? Now I am jealous on behalf of my country :(

Yeah, they were like the main customer.

Plinkey fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Mar 4, 2013

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Kind of Cold War related, and totally sucky:

The biggest remaining chunk of the Berlin Wall got torn town a few days ago. It was known as the "East Side Gallery" and was used as a big open-air art exhibit. Lots of artists, both famous and not, put up some interesting stuff there over the years. I used to go by it every day on the way to one of my archives.

It got bulldozed for luxury condos.

The thing should have been a loving UNESCO site.

The company that was doing the construction used some kind of expedited process that I'm still not quite clear on (legal terms in German are pains in the rear end) to avoid the public comment phase that probably would have led to protests and injunctions to preserve it as a landmark. By the time anyone knew what was going on it had already been demolished.

:sigh:

Hoopy Frood
May 1, 2008

grover posted:

FYI, if you stick an l right before the .jpg in the url, imgur will resize them automatically to 640x480.

Thanks grover, appreciate it.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Cyrano4747 posted:

Kind of Cold War related, and totally sucky:

The biggest remaining chunk of the Berlin Wall got torn town a few days ago. It was known as the "East Side Gallery" and was used as a big open-air art exhibit. Lots of artists, both famous and not, put up some interesting stuff there over the years. I used to go by it every day on the way to one of my archives.

It got bulldozed for luxury condos.

The thing should have been a loving UNESCO site.

The company that was doing the construction used some kind of expedited process that I'm still not quite clear on (legal terms in German are pains in the rear end) to avoid the public comment phase that probably would have led to protests and injunctions to preserve it as a landmark. By the time anyone knew what was going on it had already been demolished.

:sigh:

Wait, so there isn't a single section of the Berlin Wall that was preserved? How is that even possible? They shipped sections all around the world, how is it that not a single section was preserved in place? :psyduck:

fake edit: I did some googling, from what it sounds like the developers managed to get a small section down on Friday before protesters brought a halt to the work, and all the news accounts I've read seem to indicate that there are thousands of people out protesting, so I wouldn't quite count it out yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWDrTXMgF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK1MwhEDjHg

Akion
May 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer

Cyrano4747 posted:

Kind of Cold War related, and totally sucky:

The biggest remaining chunk of the Berlin Wall got torn town a few days ago. It was known as the "East Side Gallery" and was used as a big open-air art exhibit. Lots of artists, both famous and not, put up some interesting stuff there over the years. I used to go by it every day on the way to one of my archives.

It got bulldozed for luxury condos.

The thing should have been a loving UNESCO site.

The company that was doing the construction used some kind of expedited process that I'm still not quite clear on (legal terms in German are pains in the rear end) to avoid the public comment phase that probably would have led to protests and injunctions to preserve it as a landmark. By the time anyone knew what was going on it had already been demolished.

:sigh:

Fuuuuck. I made the joke when I was in Berlin back in December that there wasn't going to be anything left of the wall soon if all the souvenir shops were really selling chunks of it.

:(

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Cyrano4747 posted:

Kind of Cold War related, and totally sucky:

The biggest remaining chunk of the Berlin Wall got torn town a few days ago. It was known as the "East Side Gallery" and was used as a big open-air art exhibit. Lots of artists, both famous and not, put up some interesting stuff there over the years. I used to go by it every day on the way to one of my archives.

It got bulldozed for luxury condos.

The thing should have been a loving UNESCO site.

The company that was doing the construction used some kind of expedited process that I'm still not quite clear on (legal terms in German are pains in the rear end) to avoid the public comment phase that probably would have led to protests and injunctions to preserve it as a landmark. By the time anyone knew what was going on it had already been demolished.

:sigh:

Glad I got to see that a few years ago then :(

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

iyaayas01 posted:

Wait, so there isn't a single section of the Berlin Wall that was preserved? How is that even possible? They shipped sections all around the world, how is it that not a single section was preserved in place? :psyduck:

fake edit: I did some googling, from what it sounds like the developers managed to get a small section down on Friday before protesters brought a halt to the work, and all the news accounts I've read seem to indicate that there are thousands of people out protesting, so I wouldn't quite count it out yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWDrTXMgF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK1MwhEDjHg

Should have preserved one of the guard towers to ensure preservation of the wall. :rimshot:

fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha

Hoopy Frood posted:

http://imgur.com/3gggc7l

That last one cracked me up. Crazy to think that almost every part on something this big must be catalogued somewhere.

Is that pattern of dots on the right a QR code?

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

fuf posted:

Is that pattern of dots on the right a QR code?

Yes

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

iyaayas01 posted:

fake edit: I did some googling, from what it sounds like the developers managed to get a small section down on Friday before protesters brought a halt to the work, and all the news accounts I've read seem to indicate that there are thousands of people out protesting, so I wouldn't quite count it out yet.


That's good to hear. My info was mainly coming from really pissed off emails and comments flying around on some German history listservs, plus an article in the Bild about it. I should have known that the Bild would exaggerate things a bit. I hope they are able to stop that project completely.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
Made the front page around here (in the PNW :psyduck: ) even. The photo I saw showed at least one significant intact chunk of wall and a bunch of protestors, so it looks like they didn't raze the whole thing.

saurkrautwerfer
Feb 19, 2013
GENTLEMEN:

Are you a mighty motivated individual, who understands the role of COMBINED ARMS?

Are you sick and tired of all these LAME FAST MOVERS AND THEIR FRUITY PHOTOS?

Are you none of the above, but IN DIRE NEED OF A VIDEO WITH A REALLY BORING NARRATOR WHO WILL RENDER YOU UNCONSCIOUS?

Boy have I got a video for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0Vprf7FBo

It's about 30 minutes long, but it's the video recording of a Battalion Task Force breaching operation, conducted at the National Training Center (I think somewhere in the video it puts a date to it, but the hardware is all circa 1988-1992 or so). Breaching operations in the armor world rank up there with "brain surgery" in terms of complexity, so it's actually rather cool in terms of all the moving pieces. The video covers clearing a lane through a minefield, then a wire obstacle and finally clearing the trenchlines beyond. It is a live fire, with pyro, so there's some sweet MICLIC detonations, and lots of cool engineering vehicles/tanks/IFVs rolling around.

Downsides:

It's taken from a VHS so there's some weird tracking issues from time to time. It predates modern video editing and powerpoint, so the graphics and charts are all dinosaur style (it is literally the camera pointed at a white board, while someone uses a pointer for the diagrams). Narrator is sleep inducing. Artillery is not included for safety reasons, so none of that.

Still. If you like armor, cold war era US Army stuff, or are just curious, give it a whirl. You've already wasted your time looking at all them purty planes, might as well spend it wisely watching something cool for a change.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
Awesome :cool: The comments at the end were pretty interesting too, I don't think you guys ever fielded a single vehicle solution based on a fully functional M1 right? How about a stand-off MICLIC-like missile?

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Psion posted:

Made the front page around here (in the PNW :psyduck: ) even. The photo I saw showed at least one significant intact chunk of wall and a bunch of protestors, so it looks like they didn't raze the whole thing.

It's actually pretty funny, the wall in question isn't actually on the former border, it was moved after reunification. What made that part special is that a bunch of influential artists painted it after reunification happened, so it is more of an art installation than a historical monument. Plus, apparently it wasn't being torn down to be discarded but torn down to be moved a little out of the way to allow access to a new bridge. It was, apparently, supposed to be rebuild somewhere else.

saurkrautwerfer
Feb 19, 2013
Well, again that video was from the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBfby1Gkln8

All hail the new sexiness. They're still semi-new, but pretty sweet. There were some engineering vehicles based on the M1 in the works in the late 80's-early 90's, but by the Clinton era, money to move tanks out of the motorpool, let alone buy a new specialist vehicle was hard to come by.

It doesn't do some of the things the old CEVs could do (no real dozer blade, no crane, only weapon system is the .50 cal on the turret). Conversely it's got a very capable mineplow, carries two MICLICs (which allows for anything from having a simple back up, to having a single vehicle blow two lanes, to clearing one bigass line through a very large minefield), and actually can mark lanes as it goes (it has little stakes it can shoot out as it drives along). Add to this that it can keep pace with the M1 and M2 platforms, and maintain's the M1's armor levels, and it's a pretty handy attachment.

In terms of stand off mine clearance...well. a MICLIC is a few hundred feet worth of C4 on a string. to keep the "snake" from just bunching up and going all over, it needs to be secured to a fixed point. If it doesn't lay straight, then it doesn't cut a lane, and then why even show up? Some sort of large FAE or other just, massive explosion could work, but then it would still likely leave a fair number of left over mines in the impact area (many modern mines are proofed against overpreassure, it's why you still plow the lane, to get the sneaky mines).

It may sound crazy, or dangerous,

Well okay. It is dangerous as hell. But what the video doesn't show is that there'd be 1-2 companies worth of tanks and IFVs firing at enemy positions, the defensive positions would be getting plastered by indirect and the occasional aviation assets, along with enough smoke and obscuration fires that if that video had been filmed with smoke in effect, it'd just been a lot of tank noises and swirling white clouds (that's why they take so much time to mark the lane, you might not be able to see more than a few dozen feet without thermals). While it's still tricky, the idea is the amount of hurt being unloaded at the breach site will be enough to allow the breach assets to accomplish their mission.

SyHopeful
Jun 24, 2007
May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

VikingSkull posted:

Going back many pages, the C-5s are gone from Stewart. We have C-17s now. A C-5 came in the other day, after I hadn't heard one in months, and I got all teary eyed. My whole life I heard that awesome noise and now I don't anymore :(

For you, taken at Portland International in 2006:

wkarma
Jul 16, 2010
Bomb truckin! Who can spot what makes this pic different?

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

wkarma posted:

Bomb truckin! Who can spot what makes this pic different?



I know, but I won't say since I posted that pic over in AI a couple of days ago.

wkarma
Jul 16, 2010

iyaayas01 posted:

I know, but I won't say since I posted that pic over in AI a couple of days ago.

There's a good sport ;) :parrot:

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Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

wkarma posted:

Bomb truckin! Who can spot what makes this pic different?



Does it... lack landing gear?

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