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FFXIII-2 has Crazy Chocobo which balances out any flaws IMO.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i love this song, what are you smoking i just wanted to be your friend by using subversion mrs. mandatory lesbian!!
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Mar 24, 2016 17:04
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FF8 will probably always hold the "worst FF ever" crown for me. It had great music! It had a great card game! The cut scenes are neat! Shame about the plot, characters, and battle system though. I stumbled onto making my party invincible via refined cards on my first playthrough so without much to stop me, I plowed through the game sort of bored. That orphanage scene... Well, too many words have been written about it already, some by me. Poop on all that. it's your kids, Noctis! We've got to do something about your kids!
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Mar 24, 2016 17:06
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Josuke Higashikata posted:i just wanted to be your friend by using subversion mrs. mandatory lesbian!! oh cool, thats fine also i'm a mr., my name was given by garbage day before he had to go to the farm upstate cause he was getting old
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Mar 24, 2016 17:20
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Levantine posted:FFXIII-2 has Crazy Chocobo which balances out any flaws IMO. 
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Tae posted:Some latest excerpts from Tabata I hope we get an airplane, except instead of riding in it we ride ON it. It's called the USA Bahamut, and they proounce it You- Airs-Ay Vomit except replace the V with a B because the dialogue is all in Japanese because subs>dubs. TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE
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Mar 24, 2016 18:18
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Gologle posted:I hope we get an airplane, except instead of riding in it we ride ON it. It's called the USA Bahamut, and they proounce it You- Airs-Ay Vomit except replace the V with a B because the dialogue is all in Japanese because subs>dubs. TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE Calling the airship the USA Bombit would be pretty rough commentary, coming from Japan. They haven't really done that since FF VII.
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Mar 24, 2016 18:30
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bloodychill posted:FF8 will probably always hold the "worst FF ever" crown for me. It had great music! It had a great card game! The cut scenes are neat! Shame about the plot, characters, and battle system though. I stumbled onto making my party invincible via refined cards on my first playthrough so without much to stop me, I plowed through the game sort of bored. That orphanage scene... Well, too many words have been written about it already, some by me. Poop on all that. FFVIII had timed hits. Check and mate.
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Mar 24, 2016 19:08
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Mar 24, 2016 23:31
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So while there is a good deal of bitching about XIII in here from time to time, as the last outbreak shows, it has its defenders. The game I see blasted more in here than any other is FF3 - specifically FF3 DS, and no one ever defends it. Well, guess what I got off Steam and have been playing all day. I just got the Enterprise and so far, things seem fun and fair enough. Obviously I still have a long way to go so plenty of room for it to fall into the shitter but this is the last numbered non-MMO FF I haven't really played. Plus I was in the mood for some Job System. Speaking of which, I naturally gave my favorite Jobs to the characters I like most. Refia is Red Mage and Ingus is Monk. I had Luneth as a Thief for most of the game but Steal has yielded nothing but Potions and some other worthless crap. I switched him to Warrior. Arc is pulling White Mage duty and I might leave him there forever at this rate. Always need a White Mage. But yeah, the game gives me spells and good weapons for free while also not being stingy with Gil....I dunno, I like it so far. I also like MogNet returning, it's a nice little bit of extra character stuff like the FFIV thought bubbles. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 03:28
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NikkolasKing posted:So while there is a good deal of bitching about XIII in here from time to time, as the last outbreak shows, it has its defenders. the problems with ff3ds become more apparent over time. at first it's neat but eventually it just all falls apart i went through the exact same cycle when i played it, but hopefully you will have fun and not have any problems with it!
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Mar 25, 2016 03:35
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bloodychill posted:it's your kids, Noctis! We've got to do something about your kids! "what, do they grow up to be assholes or something?" "well what do you expect, you named him culus humongous" NikkolasKing posted:Always need a White Mage. lmk how you feel about this after your white mage casts curaga at the beginning of the round when everyone is at full health, the boss gets three turns, and then in the next round, he gets his three turns first and your white mage doesn't cast curaga until everyone else is already dead because of rng Fur20 fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 03:37
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Yeah 3 DS has some extreme problems in the second half
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Mar 25, 2016 03:41
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NikkolasKing posted:The game I see blasted more in here than any other is FF3 - specifically FF3 DS, and no one ever defends it. Well, guess what I got off Steam and have been playing all day.  I hate FF13 and love FF3 NES, and I think FF3 DS is a worse game than all. It truly is the worst in the series.
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Mar 25, 2016 03:46
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What's so different between FF3 NES and DS? I thought about which to play but what I saw in the original FF3 just felt so...dated. I haven't played an 8-bit game in nearly two decades. Even FF1 and 2 I played the Origins and Advance versions. Plus, I hate fan translations.
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Mar 25, 2016 03:58
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Capacity points you can prepare in advance instead of having to deal with Crystal sickness, it doesn't try to add to the plot in a way that introduces hilariously huge plot holes, and the lack of save points wasn't opposite to common expectation. E: Oh, and they didn't try to balance jobs that were meant to be upgrades to each other in a way that made later ones useless, and bosses didn't get multiple attacks per turn and massively inflated HP. Also just saying but hating fan translations as a general thing that exists is kinda weird. They're not all anime sub quality and for anything other than FF it's your only option for playing Japan-exclusive games if you don't speak Japanese.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:04
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NikkolasKing posted:What's so different between FF3 NES and DS? I thought about which to play but what I saw in the original FF3 just felt so...dated. I haven't played an 8-bit game in nearly two decades. Even FF1 and 2 I played the Origins and Advance versions. Plus, I hate fan translations. It is dated. It's an NES RPG. The enemy parties used to have 6+ foes on screen in a single fight. The DS couldn't handle it, so they upped HP across the board and gave enemies multiple turns in a fight. You don't really notice this at first! But like any game by the FFXI guy, you've pretty much lost your soul and dignity by the endgame.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:07
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AlphaKretin posted:Also just saying but hating fan translations as a general thing that exists is kinda weird. They're not all anime sub quality and for anything other than FF it's your only option for playing Japan-exclusive games if you don't speak Japanese. Adding to this, the Mother/3 and AA Investigations 2 fan-TLs are incredibly good.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:09
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I remember playing FF3 DS. I got to Cloud of Darkness and proceeded to be facerolled by complete bullshit a billion times until I quit playing and I still haven't ever returned. 
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Mar 25, 2016 04:10
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Oh and before someone says "Crystal sickness isn't that bad", it's still a penalty for changing jobs that - regardless of severity - is a mental obstacle to deciding to change jobs. Especially when there was a system in place already whether you think it was better or not and why would you change this before adding save points?
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Mar 25, 2016 04:10
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AlphaKretin posted:Capacity points you can prepare in advance instead of having to deal with Crystal sickness, it doesn't try to add to the plot in a way that introduces hilariously huge plot holes, and the lack of save points wasn't opposite to common expectation. I'll use a fan translation if it's my only option but if there is an alternative, I prefer that. And if one Job is an upgrade to another,doesn't that just mean that the original rendered some Jobs completely useless as well? As for the Plot, I can't speak much on that. All I know, thanks to years on FF boards, is there is some guy named... Xende I think it was, and Cloud of Darkness. All I've really learned so far in the actual game though is all our heroes are orphans and the super earthquake was triggered by someone.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:12
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Just play Undertale or Stardew Valley, depending if you feel like Earthbound or Harvest Moon. You'll actually enjoy yourself!
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Mar 25, 2016 04:13
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AlphaKretin posted:Oh and before someone says "Crystal sickness isn't that bad", it's still a penalty for changing jobs that - regardless of severity - is a mental obstacle to deciding to change jobs. Especially when there was a system in place already whether you think it was better or not and why would you change this before adding save points? It doesn't seem like a needless inclusion at first, but as you play the game you realize that there's no particular tactical reason for its inclusion. It's a needless handicap, it balances nothing overall, the jobs themselves are not so broken as to make fluid switching a balance-breaking scenario. Worse, as you go later into the game you'll be finding new jobs, more jobs, and more difficult enemies that are going to assume you have access to new job abilities, and you are immediately handicapped or forced to grind arbitrarily in order to properly utilize your new jobs. Or, you change jobs on a whim right before a boss, and forget about the debuff and... There's absolutely no reason for it and it's honestly a major mark against the game's fun factor.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:13
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NikkolasKing posted:And if one Job is an upgrade to another,doesn't that just mean that the original rendered some Jobs completely useless as well? Well yes but their attempt to not do that made it worse in the other direction. It was at least intentional in the NES version. E: Spoilers but on 3 DS plot stuff: http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-III-DS/Update%2087/ Note that a lot of the lines that support the NES timeline are still there so the whole thing becomes incongruous and confusing. AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 04:14
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8-Bit Scholar posted:It doesn't seem like a needless inclusion at first, but as you play the game you realize that there's no particular tactical reason for its inclusion. It's a needless handicap, it balances nothing overall, the jobs themselves are not so broken as to make fluid switching a balance-breaking scenario. Worse, as you go later into the game you'll be finding new jobs, more jobs, and more difficult enemies that are going to assume you have access to new job abilities, and you are immediately handicapped or forced to grind arbitrarily in order to properly utilize your new jobs. So you can't beat this game sticking to just four Jobs? And what is this debuff/penalty you're talking about? AlphaKretin posted:Well yes but their attempt to not do that made it worse in the other direction. It was at least intentional in the NES version. Well, I'll make sure to read that after I finish the game. Thanks for the link.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:26
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actually the stupidest thing about jobs in ff3 and ff3 ds is that job exp isn't based on anything but how many actions you take, and also that you can only gain one job level per combat, meaning that switching to a new job requires grinding every single time just to catch up to where you were. but then high level advanced jobs are better than high level normal jobs! basically the design is set up to require that you grind at some point and also that the grinding will be as tedious as possible since the fastest way to level your job, at any job level, at any part of the game, is to guard 8 times against an easily killed goblin and then kill it. so the job system in 3ds is dogshit.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:26
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If you want a job system play FFV or Bravely Default, those are good games.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:29
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Or hell Bravely Second
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Mar 25, 2016 04:30
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In a pinch, FF:Dimensions. But like, only if you've already exhausted the superior options.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:32
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In Training posted:Or hell Bravely Second
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Mar 25, 2016 04:32
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play fft
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Mar 25, 2016 04:34
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corn in the bible posted:play fft Excellent life advice. I'm going to put this on my bathroom mirror.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:36
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Barudak posted:In a pinch, FF:Dimensions. But like, only if you've already exhausted the superior options. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDutlw_r-CEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaW9wJwO1_0 Nothing else about that game was particularly good, don't play it
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Nihilarian posted:If you want a job system play FFV or Bravely Default, those are good games. Played FFV, don't have a 3DS or whatever Bravely is on. corn in the bible posted:play fft Never played a Tactical RPG.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:47
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Oh hey, FFVIII and XIII-2 are now installed. Which first and what mods are needed for either.
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Mar 25, 2016 04:49
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Off the top of my head FF8's music fixer is called Roses and Wine, I dunno how tolerable you find the graphics. Maybe something for the button prompts? But I haven't played or modded FF8 much so I can't help you there All that really exists for FF13-2 is button prompts and restoring the DLC that licensing issues kept on console, but at least the latter is worthwhile and I'll grab a link for that in a sec. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=592362842 E: If there is a mod that unlocks Chronobind and the other dlc i guess before beating the plot it would be very much worthwhile but I haven't found one. AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Mar 25, 2016 04:52
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NikkolasKing posted:Never played a Tactical RPG. well start you fool
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Mar 25, 2016 05:00
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NikkolasKing posted:So you can't beat this game sticking to just four Jobs? And what is this debuff/penalty you're talking about? On the warrior side of things, Fighter and Black Belt run into equipment caps. After a while, they won't even be able to put on that cool new armor or weapon that you just found. Better upgrade classes! This isn't FF5 where Wind Crystal Knights can equip Excaliburs and Ragnaroks, and where the Muramasa is just an equally-powerful legendary weapon made for a different class; this is FF3-DS, baby! Everyone knows a Fighter can use an Iron Sword, but can't fathom touching a Steel Sword  The most direct example of this is Conjurers, which are summoners except loving useless. Here's how they work: the game runs a 1:2 chance for a Black or White version of a summon, and they're all trash. Titan, for example, doesn't cast earth magic. His black magic conjure is Punch. His white magic conjure is Kick! At the very end of the game, you get actual Summoners. They're barely useful compared to regular Color Wizards, except for the fact that they're basically lovely Black Wizards with lower MP in exchange for no multitarget damage penalty. Class Change Sickness is a penalty you get for changing classes. Every time you change jobs, you get like a -20% penalty to ALL STATS until you fight a number of battles. That number changes based on what class you were, which class you changed to, and the job levels of both. On top of all this, HP is the only stat that persists between levels, and is based on your VIT score upon leveling. Your VIT score is, of course, affected by your class, so casters have permanently low HP. Furthermore, VIT gets debuffed by Class Change Sickness, so I hope you didn't gain any levels when you had it. And I really hope you didn't gain any levels as a Scholar because their VIT is like 3. Oops! Speaking of Scholar, there's a boss who uses Barrier Shift or whatever it's called about a third of the way into the game--you know, the FF classic: change elemental weakness every round. This is the first indication that FF3-DS was very poorly thought-out. Here's how it's supposed to go: code:code:And to expand on what Corn said, your job level also factors into your hits per attack and iirc influences your hit rate. You'll probably have gained, say, twenty? Thirty job levels before you get the next direct upgrade? Your brand new class with abilities that suck less and access to better weapons and armor constantly misses and hits half as many times. Welcome back to square one, you get to grind the levels out all over again. FF3-DS isn't "bad" like FF8 or FF10 where it's subjective whether or not you hate it. It's bad like a game that crashes to desktop because it doesn't do garbage disposal. It's flawed on a basic developmental level. It's missing a dozen chromosomes. The coded math itself is designed solely to cause the end user immeasurable distress. quote:after I finish the game lol
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The White Dragon posted:The variance is like AGI+[random(0,256)]. Your max Agility is 99, so enemies with 0 can easily go before you. what the gently caress is this bullshit
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Imagine if in DnD, you rolled initiative every round with a d200 and had to keep your roll secret. Yeah.
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