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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
oh poo poo Kovic too? I actually really love Funhaus. Is his stuff as bad as Ryan or by 'nudes' do you mean he was sexting people and it got out?

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CBD Corndog
Jun 21, 2009



There's tons of weird info going around about Kovic and no statements or anything clearing it up. Originally it was he was catfished by someone pretending to me a minor, then it was just regular catfishing. There's another rumor floating around there's a video in the leak of him nuttin/doing something with his junk on A keyboard in the office, no one knows who's it is and I'm not sifting through gigabytes of stolen Kovic nudes to verify.

I only saw 2 pictures on Twitter, but they're VERY explicit. And a few of them allegedly have his partner in them as well.

Adam just put out the boilerplate 'I hosed up' apology, sounds like his wife wasn't in on the picture/video sharing:
https://twitter.com/adamkovic/status/1314035227392577537

E2: Oh, his twitter is still private. Here's the full apology:

CBD Corndog fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Oct 8, 2020

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
man I hope Kovic just is a victim of terrible timing (and, ya know, massive invasion of privacy...) and had normal but weird nudes leak while his coworker had grooming poo poo leak, I always liked that FH seemed like a rare 'gaming group' not full of scumbags...

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

sexpig by night posted:

oh poo poo Kovic too? I actually really love Funhaus. Is his stuff as bad as Ryan or by 'nudes' do you mean he was sexting people and it got out?

This is the best explanation I've seen to date, and more or less covers everything. Keep in mind, it comes from reddit, so YMMV.

quote:

Answer: Ryan and Adam have both had sexual pictures and videos leaked onto the internet. These were first leaked onto a body building forum a few weeks ago but didn't get much attention. There were no accusations or context associated with them during the initial leak. Yesterday, 4Chan got hold of the files and posted them again, but this time with a series of accusations including: both men sent the pics and vids to fans, both did so without their wives knowledge so were cheating, both sent them to minors, both pressured young fans to send pictures in return, both sent pics to people who didn't want to receive them. There is also a video of Adam and his wife having sex, with the camera placed in such a position that people believe he took the video (and possibly sent it to someone else) without her knowledge and consent, but nothing had been confirmed. Several of Adam's pictures were clearly taken in the Funhaus office - taking pics like that in a workplace may be grounds for dismissal, even if the other allegations turn out to be false.

Take these allegations with a pinch of salt. The pictures and videos are real (many fans are saying they could be fake, but to he honest that's very naive. There are videos with their faces and voices, and they take place in recognisable environments such as the FH office and Ryan's streaming room. Even with advanced deepfake tech this would be pretty much impossible to fake) but the chatlogs and screenshots of DMs that are 'evidence' for the accusations of illegal behaviour all seem to have originated on 4Chan and could be easily faked. The 4Chan OP criticises RT's 'liberal bias' and anti-Trump stance throughout the post, so that seems to have been the motivation for this, alongside RT firing a voice actor a while back who many believe is a paedophile, but 4Chan feels is innocent. A twitter user reposted the Ryan pictures, and intially repeated the minors accusations, then walked it back and pretended they had never said it when asked for evidence. No victims of any kind have come forward. No statements have been made but livestream have been cancelled and comments on the RT website are being policed heavily to remove all mention of this.

So there are a few scenarios here: best case, the pictures were hacked from private accounts and were meant for their wives, or were meant for another consenting adult but with their wives consent, in an open relationship type situation. In which case I feel sorry for them both being violated. RT would not need to take any action (except maybe against Kovic, because... in your workplace, man, really?) but I would expect both men might take a step back from public life after this.

Slightly worse case, both men were cheating on their wives, but with consenting adults. That's lovely, but it's a private relationship issue and none of our or RT's business. ETA: Since Adam's leak contained pictures and videos of his wife, if he was cheating, she likely didn't consent to those being shared with whoever he cheated with - which makes this scenario a lot more awful than 'slightly worse' in Adam's case and might prompt action from RT.

Even worse case, both men are cheating, and are doing so with (adult) fans. There's a fan-personality power dynamic there, which combined with them using the same rooms they stream from and wearing merch in the pics, may reflect badly enough on RT that they are removed.

Worst case, the allegations of sexual harassment, lack of consent from Adam's wife, and worst of all, minors being involved, are true. This would require immediate dismissal, an official statement, and legal action.

I assume an investigation is on going so right now we're just waiting to hear whether a statement will be made, whether they will quietly part ways, or whether things will carry on as normal and they will pretend this never happened.

UPDATE: Someone has come forward claiming to have exchanged nudes with Ryan over social media, beginning when she was 17, though she admits she told him she was 18. She alleges they met at an RT event, had an on and off virtual relationship for 2 years, and made plans to meet up and have sex in Austin but they fell through. She also suggests other community members can back up her story and has posted snapchat screenshots which she alleges are conversations between her and Ryan.

AFAIK this is the only person to have come forward directly and not anonymously, and it is slightly more credible than the other accusations which originated on 4Chan, which is the only reason I am adding it to my post. If true, possession of pornography of someone under the age of 18 is illegal in Texas, despite the age of consent being 17, so this could get serious. Remember that innocent until proven guilty is still in play, but goes for the accuser as well as the accused, so withholding judgement is a better path than condemning him and/or dismissing her if possible.

UPDATE 2: Ryan has made a statement announcing he is leaving RT, but denying any illegal activity. Statement is as follows: "I made mistakes and will be leaving RT to focus on rebuilding my family and life. I'm sorry to anyone I've hurt. I do want to say emphatically that I never did anything illegal. The consequences of my actions are mine to deal with, please stop harassing and threatening my family."

UPDATE 3: Adam has been unfollowed on social media by almost all the main members of Funhaus, images of him have been deleted from the merch store, and he has locked his account and removed Funhaus from his bio, possibly indicating that he is soon to leave FH. A vague tweet about karma from former FH member Lawrence Sonntag and a more direct ("gently caress Adam Kovic") tweet from former FH collaborator Rahul Kohli have led to speculation about behind the scenes beef between them and Adam, but neither have specified what their issues are or commented specifically on the on-going allegations - in fact Rahul specifies his beef is not related with the leaks. Wil update when an official statement has been made by Adam or Funhaus.

UPDATE 4: RT has announced that AH and FH will both be taking a break until at least October 14th and will not be doing livestreams in this time. This break is likely to record videos to replace those in their backlog that feature Ryan (and probably Adam, although no statement on Adam's employment has been made yet), and/or to process what has happened. Prerecorded shows which feature Ryan and were due to air this week have been delayed, e.g. Grudge Night.

UPDATE 5: Still no statement from FH, but Adam has completely wiped his social media presence - rather than deleting his accounts he has locked them, deleted all his posts, unfollowed everyone and changed his profile picture and header image to black. While this may just be his way of laying low, it is somewhat concerning, so I just want to reiterate that these are real people who have been violated by a leak and who (admittedly due to their own actions) have already had their lives, careers and relationships ruined in a few short days. No serious accusations have been proven, and regardless of what they have or haven't done, please remember the human.

UPDATE 6: Official statement from RT:

"Our Code of Conduct (https://roosterteeth.com/code-of-conduct) is meant for everyone in our community to follow and that includes our staff and anyone who works or partners with Rooster Teeth. We have parted ways with two employees whose conduct did not reflect the values we strive to uphold in our Code of Conduct. We are adjusting our programming accordingly to move forward and we thank everyone for their support and patience during this challenging time."

UPDATE 7: Several members of Ryan's Twitch mod team have come forward to claim that 2 years ago, they received a report of inappropriate messages sent to a fan by Ryan. The story, including screenshots, was given to them by a friend of the fan without the fans consent, and the fan in question refused to cooperate, so mod team hit a dead end in their ability to investigate at the time. One of the mods also had personal beef with the person who shared the story, making it less credible in their eyes. They say they confronted Ryan at the time and claim he admitted to it, but defended himself by saying it never got too graphic and he wouldn't do it again, which they accepted. At the time they didn't know whether the allegations were true, but now, in light of the very similar story of a different young fan (see Update 1) and Ryan's statement, they believe they were. The word 'victim' is used throughout their statements but as it was not specified that the fan was a minor, was coerced or manipulated, was harassed or was not consenting, I have omitted it in my own update for the sake of remaining as unbiased as possible.


TL;DR

Kovic and Ryan Haywood both got massive amounts of nudes leaked recently, onto a body building forums, for some reason. This was pretty much below most people's radars until someone from 4chan with a clear axe to grind (the twitter user I quoted above mentions the 4chan person sprinkling in whinges about RT's liberal stances, criticisms of Trump and Vic Mignona being fired) got a hold of it, and reposted it there and Kiwi Farms, where it appears many of the allegations involving grooming minors comes from.

This went more or less uncorroborated, until one person came forward, claiming that she was in an irregular (as in on-again off-again) relationship with Ryan but with the caveat that she'd lied about her age, and that as far as we was aware, she was 18. Keep in mind, this isn't meant to be any sort of defence of his actions - he was in his mid-30s at that point, chatting up a teenager.

Kovic has gone radio silent, but has been quietly unfollowed on social media by the rest of the FH crew (and presumably RT).

The photos and footage posted appear to be real, and the only real questions relate to whether or not his wife (who appears in some of the material) was aware or had consented to being filmed - at this stage, it's entirely speculation.

Rahul Kohli, who quietly left stopped appearing on FH material about a year ago has also stated he will never appear on their channel ever again because of Kovic, and that this is unrelated to any nudes leaked. From what we can tell, his beef is with Kovic, and Lawrence has also made cryptic comments on Twitter about it. Considering that Rahul and Lawrence are regulars on Bruce Greene's stream, I'm guessing he might have opinions on the issue, but no one else from FH (including former members like Joel or Spoole) has commented on it. What it does indicate is that there was a fair amount of friction behind the scenes involving Kovic and other FH members.

Edit: updated the bit about Rahul to reflect the correction made a couple of posts down, and that Sean Poole has since liked Lawrence's tweet that appears to be about Kovic.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Oct 8, 2020

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Twerkdad posted:

There's tons of weird info going around about Kovic and no statements or anything clearing it up. Originally it was he was catfished by someone pretending to me a minor, then it was just regular catfishing. There's another rumor floating around there's a video in the leak of him nuttin/doing something with his junk on A keyboard in the office, no one knows who's it is and I'm not sifting through gigabytes of stolen Kovic nudes to verify.

I only saw 2 pictures on Twitter, but they're VERY explicit. And a few of them allegedly have his partner in them as well.

Adam just put out the boilerplate 'I hosed up' apology, sounds like his wife wasn't in on the picture/video sharing
https://twitter.com/adamkovic/status/1314035227392577537

Yeah, at this stage, there is no evidence Kovic was involved in anything involving any minors, and other than Rahul and Lawrence revealing they have some axes to grind with Adam Kovic, no one (including former FH members) appears to be talking either.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

stillvisions posted:

Just for the sake of mentioning it, Mick Gordon's video on the creation of the new Doom soundtrack this references is must-watch on its own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4FNBMZsqrY

Realizing that Mick Gordon mixed Into Sandy's City into The Only Thing They Fear Is You was a highlight. I'm surprised, however that Liam TriForce didn't notice the nods to Quake in 2016 considering he said Quake was his favourite iD game. Those little electronic beeps that are scattered around the 2016 soundtrack's ambient tracks are straight outta the Quake playbook.

Baller Ina
Oct 21, 2010

:whattheeucharist:
Well this sure is a blow, as I watch a lot of AH and FH poo poo. Really disappointed in Ryan Haywood in particular as I thought he was a better person than this. Also just a mild correction to that megapost but Rahul Kohli was never actually employed by Funhaus, he was just a really frequent guest(probably their most frequent).

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Buncha current and former Rooster Teeth and Funhaus folks making statements on Twitter over the past few hours.

https://twitter.com/megturney/status/1314053636343975937

https://twitter.com/IAmLindsayJones/status/1314027241840484352

https://twitter.com/AH_Michael/status/1314023129686183937

Seems like this had been brewing over the past few days at least -- the RT and FH twitters, as well as most of their personalities, had been quiet since the 2nd or so and now they're all making statements at once.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
so i fully realize i'm touching the stove by saying anything but the absolute safest and uncontroversial viewpoints in this thread (and preferably ones that have already been said recently by well-liked thread regulars), but

i'm starting to really wonder if the cause-effect relationship with these big youtubers being horrible sex perverts/generally monstrous pieces of poo poo is different than we've been figuring it, and the work that being a big channel necessitates just inherently attracts Patrick Bateman-esque assholes.

it feels like there's a common thread among all the "good" youtubers i've seen who feed the algorithm the way it wants, whenever they talk about making the sausage and churning out their content, and... it's that they think it's a bunch of absolute drudgery. they do not enjoy putting in the effort to keep their audience. it is a job, not a hobby, and it isn't a dream job, it's a loving soul-crushing helljob where the only upsides are "you get to work on your own schedule" (kinda, sorta, not really), "you get to talk about things you like" (if you're lucky enough to like popular things and find an audience doing that), and "you sometimes get paid nicely if you're very lucky." and if people like LGR feel that way, with a tenth of the goddamn viewers that someone like JonTron has (let alone someone like PewDiePie) and a much more relaxed approach to feeding the algorithm than most, I can't even imagine how hellish it is for people who are actually all the way in the meat grinder.

it almost seems like the only people who can consistently get over that hurdle, over and over, for years and years, without having a massive passion for what they're making videos about are the hosed up assholes who are in it to manipulate people. and if i'm onto something here i'm not sure how the gently caress you'd even solve that problem.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

so i fully realize i'm touching the stove by saying anything but the absolute safest and uncontroversial viewpoints in this thread (and preferably ones that have already been said recently by well-liked thread regulars), but

i'm starting to really wonder if the cause-effect relationship with these big youtubers being horrible sex perverts/generally monstrous pieces of poo poo is different than we've been figuring it, and the work that being a big channel necessitates just inherently attracts Patrick Bateman-esque assholes.

it feels like there's a common thread among all the "good" youtubers i've seen who feed the algorithm the way it wants, whenever they talk about making the sausage and churning out their content, and... it's that they think it's a bunch of absolute drudgery. they do not enjoy putting in the effort to keep their audience. it is a job, not a hobby, and it isn't a dream job, it's a loving soul-crushing helljob where the only upsides are "you get to work on your own schedule" (kinda, sorta, not really), "you get to talk about things you like" (if you're lucky enough to like popular things and find an audience doing that), and "you sometimes get paid nicely if you're very lucky." and if people like LGR feel that way, with a tenth of the goddamn viewers that someone like JonTron has (let alone someone like PewDiePie) and a much more relaxed approach to feeding the algorithm than most, I can't even imagine how hellish it is for people who are actually all the way in the meat grinder.

it almost seems like the only people who can consistently get over that hurdle, over and over, for years and years, without having a massive passion for what they're making videos about are the hosed up assholes who are in it to manipulate people. and if i'm onto something here i'm not sure how the gently caress you'd even solve that problem.

You think you're being more clever than you actually are. Positions of power enable creeps and assholes. People with platforms get an opportunity to control and manipulate fans/hopeful apprentices. That's what #MeToo was, it's not an exclusive YouTube thing.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Way I see it the situation is the same as any job that gives one access to children or other vulnerable people. It doesn't turn you into that, but it does attract abusers because of that access, and celebrity makes people who would be large scale abusers but are afraid of the consequences no longer afraid of the consequences.

Dias posted:

You think you're being more clever than you actually are. Positions of power enable creeps and assholes. People with platforms get an opportunity to control and manipulate fans/hopeful apprentices. That's what #MeToo was, it's not an exclusive YouTube thing.
yeah said better than me

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Dias posted:

You think you're being more clever than you actually are. Positions of power enable creeps and assholes. People with platforms get an opportunity to control and manipulate fans/hopeful apprentices. That's what #MeToo was, it's not an exclusive YouTube thing.

you kinda misread me there.

i'm not pointing out that positions of power enable creeps and assholes, because as you noted, that's blindingly loving obvious and not insightful. i'm pointing out that the particular kind of position of power we discuss in this thread is inherently only attractive to two groups of people: one group is people with a deep, almost insane passion for the thing they're making videos about (or the act of video-making itself), and the other group is creeps and assholes.

the barriers that exist to Youtube success are such that nobody would bother to scale them unless they're getting something out of it, and you have to be very far along already to make any kind of appreciable income from it, which limits the potential reasonable goals someone could have to "achieve personal satisfaction" or "develop a fanbase to manipulate." and the latter is a much stronger pull to creeps and assholes than the former is to obsessives. there's staggeringly few people who just look at it as a job that pays their bills, because you can't look at it that way.

e: like, to lay out what I'm saying as bluntly and clearly as possible, I am saying that we have the cause-effect relationship backwards in the case of Youtube, and rather than it being a simple extension of the #MeToo cultural realization that power = rear end in a top hat, Youtube has engineered a situation in which only assholes thrive, and decent humans are either slowly ground down into nothing or just say "gently caress this" and don't try.

WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Oct 8, 2020

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Imma level with you cap, that's true of basically all positions of power or celebrity. The lifestyle of an actor, politician, business mover/shaker is always unpleasant and only attractive to obsessives and creeps. Normal people just look for a position that allows for the smallest averaged stress between money coming in and on the job responsibilities.

Hell we had a pilot shortage because it's one of those obsession jobs without a strong creep contingent, relative to being like a manager at Walmart.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

only assholes thrive, and decent humans are either slowly ground down into nothing or just say "gently caress this" and don't try.
How many career paths are there where this isn't true though?

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

*thinking so hard my head starts to swell up and get more and more veiny until i look like The Leader from Marvel Comics*

we live in a Society

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alaois posted:

*thinking so hard my head starts to swell up and get more and more veiny until i look like The Leader from Marvel Comics*

we live in a Society

so are you just my reverse hype-man now or what

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014
OKI weird stories- "Was Alex Jones Right About Gay Frogs?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5uSbp0YDhc

Dire Lemming
Jan 19, 2016
If you don't coddle Nazis flat Earthers then you're literally as bad as them.

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

e: like, to lay out what I'm saying as bluntly and clearly as possible, I am saying that we have the cause-effect relationship backwards in the case of Youtube, and rather than it being a simple extension of the #MeToo cultural realization that power = rear end in a top hat, Youtube has engineered a situation in which only assholes thrive, and decent humans are either slowly ground down into nothing or just say "gently caress this" and don't try.

and everyone's rightly telling you that this isn't at all unique to Youtube or a new insight even there, it's exactly the same in academics, politics and corporate culture, the people who rise to the top are either complete outliers in their field or are good at and enjoy manipulating social structures for their own gain which is generally a good indicator for being an all around trash human. I'd bet you could get a pretty accurate prediction of how far someone will rise in a corporate structure with just the question "how do you feel when you fire someone?" You're just following very simple ideas to their obvious conclusion.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
the key difference there is that, in other fields, while the poo poo rises to the top, there's still opportunity for someone who isn't garbage to carve out a little niche for themselves and do okay. there's reasons why someone who isn't terrible or absolutely obsessed with the field would bother with it.

like, acting? yeah, all the big famous actors are huge pieces of poo poo, but Ron Perlman and Danny Trejo and Tilda Swinton are national treasures, and character actors are generally a pretty established and achievable thing. business? all the people at the top suck, but i would suspect most people who go into it just want a stable living filling out TPS reports as a cubicle jockey so they can focus on the poo poo they actually care about in their free time. there are achievable "mid-level" goals there where, even if you're not gunning for the top, you can still end up with a decent enough job that keeps you comfortable.

politics suffers from the same problem... and people resultingly theorycraft endlessly on how to try and unfuck it so our politicians aren't all human garbage, so i'm not really sure that's a counterargument so much as just pointing out another area where the same effect happened.

the problem with youtube specifically that i'm trying to point out is that it's feast-or-famine as gently caress, and so much so that nobody sane considers this kind of mid-level success possible. so not only do you end up with the top being bad like in every other industry, but the middle is bad, and the bottom is also bad, aside from a scant few outliers who are just in it for the love of doing it and eventually get worn down to the point where they stop trying (cough Classic Game Room).

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

character actors are generally a pretty established and achievable thing.
lol.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



I think you under estimate just how much low level acting gigs suck. Also the enormous gap between the people who are middle managers/small business tyrants and the guys who can no longer be convicted of obviously killing their wives due to business connections. The former is not a path to the latter except in the dreams of delusional libertarians and liberals.

Like I agree that careers where one cannot be comfortable will always produce abusers or people who allow the career to abuse them. I just think you're not accounting for that being something that happens with all aspirational jobs. If you could imagine the kindergartner wanting to be a career it's probably actually garbage that involves enabling abusers or just relentlessly abusing its workers or both.

edit: Just for example wrestling, sci-fi/fantasy writing, table top game designers, and the video game industry have all had similar proportions of sex monsters to youtube. The only real difference being that these industries also have a problem with people just beating the poo poo out of others who are dependent on them, which youtube doesn't have as much due to physical distance.

Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Oct 8, 2020

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Kind of a very specific question, but are there any good content creators/videos tackling Gundam you guys would recommend? I ask here mostly because I assume there must be plenty of fasc- I mean, Zeonic enthusiasts out there and I'd rather not watch those.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

The only one I know of that's worth paying attention to is the podcast Mobile Suit Breakdown https://twitter.com/GundamPodcast They're very thorough and have a good setup and chemistry between the hosts. They also go much deeper to explain or speculate on the references and inspirations for the show and are well versed in Japanese linguistics and history, as well as the history of the franchise.

The one's I've found on yt aren't fascist at all, there's actually been a lot of pushback on that in the fandom so it mostly only exists as right wing social media accounts with a zeon flag avis. However most gundam channels I know of are either just superficial fan gushing, which usually means explaining what's ludicrously obvious if you watched the show or movie they're talking about. The other channels are just about building and rating the gunpla models.

Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Oct 8, 2020

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Azran posted:

Kind of a very specific question, but are there any good content creators/videos tackling Gundam you guys would recommend? I ask here mostly because I assume there must be plenty of fasc- I mean, Zeonic enthusiasts out there and I'd rather not watch those.

I've been trying to write one actually. It's interesting and difficult picking it all apart since Zeon is a Nazi-influenced aristocracy, but was effectively usurped from a place of Legitimate Grievance and still stands for that, and some of the Zabis even have redeeming qualities. I think that's how you get the Rorschach effect in the fandom, along with the cooler MS designs and uniforms. The federation is lovely in such a banal way meantime.

But beyond optics I don't think there's a major problem in the fandom, the message of gundam is seperate from identifying with either side, it goes to great lengths to show both sides are wrong and have othered each other to make a pointless war inevitable.

BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Oct 8, 2020

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

BizarroAzrael posted:

I've been trying to write one actually. It's interesting and difficult picking it all apart since Zeon is a Nazi-influenced aristocracy, but was effectively usurped from a place of Legitimate Grievance and still stands for that, and some of the Zabis even have redeeming qualities. I think that's how you get the Rorschach effect in the fandom, along with the cooler MS designs and uniforms. The federation is lovely in such a banal way meantime.

It's a fusion of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. A fair amount of its backstory comes from how the Meiji Restoration evolved into the Showa Empire. It's also worth noting that the Federation were only reasonably clear-cut good guys (give or take some minor corruption and desperation) in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Zeta is about them going bad, and from then on they're mostly divided into shitlibs who roll over and beg for money whenever a fascist shows up and the occasional homebrew fascist, letting the serially genocidal Principality of Zeon reinvent itself as the only faction willing to look out for people in the space colonies (with less accuracy than they advertise but more accuracy than you might hope).

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Oct 8, 2020

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Youtube has a similar dynamic to e.g. rock bands in the 80s where anyone can do it and strike lucky and suddenly they have lots of influence over impressionable fans, with very little oversight. Kinda hosed up to dismiss this as "oh, every industry is stuffed full of predatory paedophiles" tbh, Harvey Weinstein was notable because he had actual power which he was able to leverage to keep himself in place over decades, whoever the gently caress "Ryan Haywood" is can and should have the person with the off-valve for his income standing over his shoulder making sure he doesn't sext teens all weekend or w/e.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Fil5000 posted:

I wonder if he'll ever do the response to the "no actually fallout 3 is good" video he trailed in his Pathologic video.

Tbh I hope hbomb doesn't get too mired in "lemme do an epic take down of this wrong Youtube man" type stuff. That approach works alright when you're swinging at literal nazis and other despicable types, but when it's just random other Youtubers who have different video game opinions? Ehhh. Like I think his jabs at Matthewmatosis in his Dark Souls 2 video slid into petty snideness and ultimately detracted from it and I say that even as someone who otherwise came away from the video thinking "yeah Harry seems to have a pretty good handle on this and MM was off the mark".

Though I guess in general I'm just kinda soured on the whole ironic/unironic "They're welcome to their opinion. Their wrong opinion. For idiots. Haha just kidding. But seriously though...they're bad dumb wrong." routine.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Baka-nin posted:

The only one I know of that's worth paying attention to is the podcast Mobile Suit Breakdown https://twitter.com/GundamPodcast They're very thorough and have a good setup and chemistry between the hosts. They also go much deeper to explain or speculate on the references and inspirations for the show and are well versed in Japanese linguistics and history, as well as the history of the franchise.

The one's I've found on yt aren't fascist at all, there's actually been a lot of pushback on that in the fandom so it mostly only exists as right wing social media accounts with a zeon flag avis. However most gundam channels I know of are either just superficial fan gushing, which usually means explaining what's ludicrously obvious if you watched the show or movie they're talking about. The other channels are just about building and rating the gunpla models.

There's also The Great Gundam Project, which I haven't listened to but it's from the people that do the fine videogame podcast Abnormal Mapping so I'm sure they do a good job there too. It's gated behind the Abnormal Mapping patreon, but only at $1.

Beefstew
Oct 30, 2010

I told you that story so I could tell you this one...
Hbomb will do a 114 hour response to MauLer's 8 hour response to his Dark Souls 2 video, the MauLer will make an exponentially longer response, and it will continue ad infinitum.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




sexpig by night posted:

man I hope Kovic just is a victim of terrible timing (and, ya know, massive invasion of privacy...) and had normal but weird nudes leak while his coworker had grooming poo poo leak, I always liked that FH seemed like a rare 'gaming group' not full of scumbags...

Yeah, I also hope it's just being an rear end in a top hat and sneezing on people's computers or being naked in the office and sitting on people's chairs or whatever petty stuff people do as revenge in an office idk, I've never worked in one, without sexting minors or grooming fans because there's way less victims in that scenario.

Beefstew posted:

Hbomb will do a 114 hour response to MauLer's 8 hour response to his Dark Souls 2 video, the MauLer will make an exponentially longer response, and it will continue ad infinitum.

You don't need to play an ace when a 2 will do.

HBomb will make an 1hr 30 response and MauLer will make a 87-hour response to that and die in the process of trying to stay up to accomplish it in one sitting because on top of not editing he doesn't undestand breaking things down over a week.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

John Murdoch posted:

Tbh I hope hbomb doesn't get too mired in "lemme do an epic take down of this wrong Youtube man" type stuff. That approach works alright when you're swinging at literal nazis and other despicable types, but when it's just random other Youtubers who have different video game opinions? Ehhh. Like I think his jabs at Matthewmatosis in his Dark Souls 2 video slid into petty snideness and ultimately detracted from it and I say that even as someone who otherwise came away from the video thinking "yeah Harry seems to have a pretty good handle on this and MM was off the mark".

It also made the video harder to follow. I played Dark Souls 2 close to release and read / talked about it then but hadn't followed it much since, so when he started talking about what someone else (who I had never heard of) thought about the game I didn't understand why those opinions were being given any particular emphasis.

I think it works when it's a serious topic (as you said), and when it's nominally a response to one person that is used as a launching point for a more general critique / commentary.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Also, hey, let Many a True Nerd have his opinion. I mean, if anybody's played Fallout 3 enough to have positive feelings about it, he has.

Related: Jon also did a Fallout FOUR is better thank you think. That one even I have a hard time wrapping my head around.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
I should get in on this youtube train. That person apparently out-contrarians me and that shouldn't be allowed.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Beefstew posted:

Hbomb will do a 114 hour response to MauLer's 8 hour response to his Dark Souls 2 video, the MauLer will make an exponentially longer response, and it will continue ad infinitum.

We've already seen this cycle play out with Jack Saint and it's just not worth it.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Mauler is so strange I can't imagine spending that much time on anything and he does it over and over and over and over again. I didn't like Last Jedi but it wouldn't take me an hour to go over why and he's not even through the opening battle at that point.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Darth Walrus posted:

It's a fusion of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. A fair amount of its backstory comes from how the Meiji Restoration evolved into the Showa Empire. It's also worth noting that the Federation were only reasonably clear-cut good guys (give or take some minor corruption and desperation) in the original Mobile Suit Gundam.

Even then, the Federation gladly employs conscripted teenagers, purposely and recklessly endangers its civilians, disguises a weapons development as a residential zone, and got into the whole war because of their policy of displacing populations. It ain't that clear-cut that they're good guys. (And it's not an accident that the "good ending" only happens after the leadership of both sides is wiped out.)

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Schwarzwald posted:

Even then, the Federation gladly employs conscripted teenagers, purposely and recklessly endangers its civilians, disguises a weapons development as a residential zone, and got into the whole war because of their policy of displacing populations. It ain't that clear-cut that they're good guys. (And it's not an accident that the "good ending" only happens after the leadership of both sides is wiped out.)

Yes to the latter but everybody was deploying teenage conscripts in the war. Five billion people died in the first month of the conflict before they put a moratorium on nuclear warheads and colony drops.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Darth Walrus posted:

It's a fusion of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. A fair amount of its backstory comes from how the Meiji Restoration evolved into the Showa Empire. It's also worth noting that the Federation were only reasonably clear-cut good guys (give or take some minor corruption and desperation) in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Zeta is about them going bad, and from then on they're mostly divided into shitlibs who roll over and beg for money whenever a fascist shows up and the occasional homebrew fascist, letting the serially genocidal Principality of Zeon reinvent itself as the only faction willing to look out for people in the space colonies (with less accuracy than they advertise but more accuracy than you might hope).

The Feds are only good guys when compared to Literal Space Hitler Gihren Zabi. The entire conflict got started because The Federation was treating Colonists as 2nd class citizens, which Gihren exploited to motivate people to start a Space War.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Groovelord Neato posted:

Mauler is so strange I can't imagine spending that much time on anything and he does it over and over and over and over again. I didn't like Last Jedi but it wouldn't take me an hour to go over why and he's not even through the opening battle at that point.

At this point I assume Mauler's fans just use his videos as a kind of white noise generator.

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Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
On the one hand, I can understand wanting a long rear end stream to just play as background noise. I watched the Chip Cheezum MGS5 let's play over the last couple of weeks. as a second window thing. But I can't imagine just listening to hours and hours of Mauler and his crew vaguely rambling about a topic without any real focus. I couldn't make it more than a few minutes the last time someone posted a video of there's here. It'd drive me nuts.

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