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oh poo poo Kovic too? I actually really love Funhaus. Is his stuff as bad as Ryan or by 'nudes' do you mean he was sexting people and it got out?
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There's tons of weird info going around about Kovic and no statements or anything clearing it up. Originally it was he was catfished by someone pretending to me a minor, then it was just regular catfishing. There's another rumor floating around there's a video in the leak of him nuttin/doing something with his junk on A keyboard in the office, no one knows who's it is and I'm not sifting through gigabytes of stolen Kovic nudes to verify. I only saw 2 pictures on Twitter, but they're VERY explicit. And a few of them allegedly have his partner in them as well. Adam just put out the boilerplate 'I hosed up' apology, sounds like his wife wasn't in on the picture/video sharing: https://twitter.com/adamkovic/status/1314035227392577537 E2: Oh, his twitter is still private. Here's the full apology: CBD Corndog fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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man I hope Kovic just is a victim of terrible timing (and, ya know, massive invasion of privacy...) and had normal but weird nudes leak while his coworker had grooming poo poo leak, I always liked that FH seemed like a rare 'gaming group' not full of scumbags...
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sexpig by night posted:oh poo poo Kovic too? I actually really love Funhaus. Is his stuff as bad as Ryan or by 'nudes' do you mean he was sexting people and it got out? This is the best explanation I've seen to date, and more or less covers everything. Keep in mind, it comes from reddit, so YMMV. quote:Answer: Ryan and Adam have both had sexual pictures and videos leaked onto the internet. These were first leaked onto a body building forum a few weeks ago but didn't get much attention. There were no accusations or context associated with them during the initial leak. Yesterday, 4Chan got hold of the files and posted them again, but this time with a series of accusations including: both men sent the pics and vids to fans, both did so without their wives knowledge so were cheating, both sent them to minors, both pressured young fans to send pictures in return, both sent pics to people who didn't want to receive them. There is also a video of Adam and his wife having sex, with the camera placed in such a position that people believe he took the video (and possibly sent it to someone else) without her knowledge and consent, but nothing had been confirmed. Several of Adam's pictures were clearly taken in the Funhaus office - taking pics like that in a workplace may be grounds for dismissal, even if the other allegations turn out to be false. TL;DR Kovic and Ryan Haywood both got massive amounts of nudes leaked recently, onto a body building forums, for some reason. This was pretty much below most people's radars until someone from 4chan with a clear axe to grind (the twitter user I quoted above mentions the 4chan person sprinkling in whinges about RT's liberal stances, criticisms of Trump and Vic Mignona being fired) got a hold of it, and reposted it there and Kiwi Farms, where it appears many of the allegations involving grooming minors comes from. This went more or less uncorroborated, until one person came forward, claiming that she was in an irregular (as in on-again off-again) relationship with Ryan but with the caveat that she'd lied about her age, and that as far as we was aware, she was 18. Keep in mind, this isn't meant to be any sort of defence of his actions - he was in his mid-30s at that point, chatting up a teenager. Kovic has gone radio silent, but has been quietly unfollowed on social media by the rest of the FH crew (and presumably RT). The photos and footage posted appear to be real, and the only real questions relate to whether or not his wife (who appears in some of the material) was aware or had consented to being filmed - at this stage, it's entirely speculation. Rahul Kohli, who quietly Edit: updated the bit about Rahul to reflect the correction made a couple of posts down, and that Sean Poole has since liked Lawrence's tweet that appears to be about Kovic. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Twerkdad posted:There's tons of weird info going around about Kovic and no statements or anything clearing it up. Originally it was he was catfished by someone pretending to me a minor, then it was just regular catfishing. There's another rumor floating around there's a video in the leak of him nuttin/doing something with his junk on A keyboard in the office, no one knows who's it is and I'm not sifting through gigabytes of stolen Kovic nudes to verify. Yeah, at this stage, there is no evidence Kovic was involved in anything involving any minors, and other than Rahul and Lawrence revealing they have some axes to grind with Adam Kovic, no one (including former FH members) appears to be talking either.
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stillvisions posted:Just for the sake of mentioning it, Mick Gordon's video on the creation of the new Doom soundtrack this references is must-watch on its own: Realizing that Mick Gordon mixed Into Sandy's City into The Only Thing They Fear Is You was a highlight. I'm surprised, however that Liam TriForce didn't notice the nods to Quake in 2016 considering he said Quake was his favourite iD game. Those little electronic beeps that are scattered around the 2016 soundtrack's ambient tracks are straight outta the Quake playbook.
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Well this sure is a blow, as I watch a lot of AH and FH poo poo. Really disappointed in Ryan Haywood in particular as I thought he was a better person than this. Also just a mild correction to that megapost but Rahul Kohli was never actually employed by Funhaus, he was just a really frequent guest(probably their most frequent).
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 05:04 |
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Buncha current and former Rooster Teeth and Funhaus folks making statements on Twitter over the past few hours. https://twitter.com/megturney/status/1314053636343975937 https://twitter.com/IAmLindsayJones/status/1314027241840484352 https://twitter.com/AH_Michael/status/1314023129686183937 Seems like this had been brewing over the past few days at least -- the RT and FH twitters, as well as most of their personalities, had been quiet since the 2nd or so and now they're all making statements at once.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 05:24 |
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so i fully realize i'm touching the stove by saying anything but the absolute safest and uncontroversial viewpoints in this thread (and preferably ones that have already been said recently by well-liked thread regulars), but i'm starting to really wonder if the cause-effect relationship with these big youtubers being horrible sex perverts/generally monstrous pieces of poo poo is different than we've been figuring it, and the work that being a big channel necessitates just inherently attracts Patrick Bateman-esque assholes. it feels like there's a common thread among all the "good" youtubers i've seen who feed the algorithm the way it wants, whenever they talk about making the sausage and churning out their content, and... it's that they think it's a bunch of absolute drudgery. they do not enjoy putting in the effort to keep their audience. it is a job, not a hobby, and it isn't a dream job, it's a loving soul-crushing helljob where the only upsides are "you get to work on your own schedule" (kinda, sorta, not really), "you get to talk about things you like" (if you're lucky enough to like popular things and find an audience doing that), and "you sometimes get paid nicely if you're very lucky." and if people like LGR feel that way, with a tenth of the goddamn viewers that someone like JonTron has (let alone someone like PewDiePie) and a much more relaxed approach to feeding the algorithm than most, I can't even imagine how hellish it is for people who are actually all the way in the meat grinder. it almost seems like the only people who can consistently get over that hurdle, over and over, for years and years, without having a massive passion for what they're making videos about are the hosed up assholes who are in it to manipulate people. and if i'm onto something here i'm not sure how the gently caress you'd even solve that problem.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:so i fully realize i'm touching the stove by saying anything but the absolute safest and uncontroversial viewpoints in this thread (and preferably ones that have already been said recently by well-liked thread regulars), but You think you're being more clever than you actually are. Positions of power enable creeps and assholes. People with platforms get an opportunity to control and manipulate fans/hopeful apprentices. That's what #MeToo was, it's not an exclusive YouTube thing.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 06:29 |
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Way I see it the situation is the same as any job that gives one access to children or other vulnerable people. It doesn't turn you into that, but it does attract abusers because of that access, and celebrity makes people who would be large scale abusers but are afraid of the consequences no longer afraid of the consequences.Dias posted:You think you're being more clever than you actually are. Positions of power enable creeps and assholes. People with platforms get an opportunity to control and manipulate fans/hopeful apprentices. That's what #MeToo was, it's not an exclusive YouTube thing.
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Dias posted:You think you're being more clever than you actually are. Positions of power enable creeps and assholes. People with platforms get an opportunity to control and manipulate fans/hopeful apprentices. That's what #MeToo was, it's not an exclusive YouTube thing. you kinda misread me there. i'm not pointing out that positions of power enable creeps and assholes, because as you noted, that's blindingly loving obvious and not insightful. i'm pointing out that the particular kind of position of power we discuss in this thread is inherently only attractive to two groups of people: one group is people with a deep, almost insane passion for the thing they're making videos about (or the act of video-making itself), and the other group is creeps and assholes. the barriers that exist to Youtube success are such that nobody would bother to scale them unless they're getting something out of it, and you have to be very far along already to make any kind of appreciable income from it, which limits the potential reasonable goals someone could have to "achieve personal satisfaction" or "develop a fanbase to manipulate." and the latter is a much stronger pull to creeps and assholes than the former is to obsessives. there's staggeringly few people who just look at it as a job that pays their bills, because you can't look at it that way. e: like, to lay out what I'm saying as bluntly and clearly as possible, I am saying that we have the cause-effect relationship backwards in the case of Youtube, and rather than it being a simple extension of the #MeToo cultural realization that power = rear end in a top hat, Youtube has engineered a situation in which only assholes thrive, and decent humans are either slowly ground down into nothing or just say "gently caress this" and don't try. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Imma level with you cap, that's true of basically all positions of power or celebrity. The lifestyle of an actor, politician, business mover/shaker is always unpleasant and only attractive to obsessives and creeps. Normal people just look for a position that allows for the smallest averaged stress between money coming in and on the job responsibilities. Hell we had a pilot shortage because it's one of those obsession jobs without a strong creep contingent, relative to being like a manager at Walmart.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:only assholes thrive, and decent humans are either slowly ground down into nothing or just say "gently caress this" and don't try.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 07:39 |
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*thinking so hard my head starts to swell up and get more and more veiny until i look like The Leader from Marvel Comics* we live in a Society
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Alaois posted:*thinking so hard my head starts to swell up and get more and more veiny until i look like The Leader from Marvel Comics* so are you just my reverse hype-man now or what
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 07:43 |
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OKI weird stories- "Was Alex Jones Right About Gay Frogs?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5uSbp0YDhc
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:e: like, to lay out what I'm saying as bluntly and clearly as possible, I am saying that we have the cause-effect relationship backwards in the case of Youtube, and rather than it being a simple extension of the #MeToo cultural realization that power = rear end in a top hat, Youtube has engineered a situation in which only assholes thrive, and decent humans are either slowly ground down into nothing or just say "gently caress this" and don't try. and everyone's rightly telling you that this isn't at all unique to Youtube or a new insight even there, it's exactly the same in academics, politics and corporate culture, the people who rise to the top are either complete outliers in their field or are good at and enjoy manipulating social structures for their own gain which is generally a good indicator for being an all around trash human. I'd bet you could get a pretty accurate prediction of how far someone will rise in a corporate structure with just the question "how do you feel when you fire someone?" You're just following very simple ideas to their obvious conclusion.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 08:35 |
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the key difference there is that, in other fields, while the poo poo rises to the top, there's still opportunity for someone who isn't garbage to carve out a little niche for themselves and do okay. there's reasons why someone who isn't terrible or absolutely obsessed with the field would bother with it. like, acting? yeah, all the big famous actors are huge pieces of poo poo, but Ron Perlman and Danny Trejo and Tilda Swinton are national treasures, and character actors are generally a pretty established and achievable thing. business? all the people at the top suck, but i would suspect most people who go into it just want a stable living filling out TPS reports as a cubicle jockey so they can focus on the poo poo they actually care about in their free time. there are achievable "mid-level" goals there where, even if you're not gunning for the top, you can still end up with a decent enough job that keeps you comfortable. politics suffers from the same problem... and people resultingly theorycraft endlessly on how to try and unfuck it so our politicians aren't all human garbage, so i'm not really sure that's a counterargument so much as just pointing out another area where the same effect happened. the problem with youtube specifically that i'm trying to point out is that it's feast-or-famine as gently caress, and so much so that nobody sane considers this kind of mid-level success possible. so not only do you end up with the top being bad like in every other industry, but the middle is bad, and the bottom is also bad, aside from a scant few outliers who are just in it for the love of doing it and eventually get worn down to the point where they stop trying (cough Classic Game Room).
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:character actors are generally a pretty established and achievable thing.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 09:08 |
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I think you under estimate just how much low level acting gigs suck. Also the enormous gap between the people who are middle managers/small business tyrants and the guys who can no longer be convicted of obviously killing their wives due to business connections. The former is not a path to the latter except in the dreams of delusional libertarians and liberals. Like I agree that careers where one cannot be comfortable will always produce abusers or people who allow the career to abuse them. I just think you're not accounting for that being something that happens with all aspirational jobs. If you could imagine the kindergartner wanting to be a career it's probably actually garbage that involves enabling abusers or just relentlessly abusing its workers or both. edit: Just for example wrestling, sci-fi/fantasy writing, table top game designers, and the video game industry have all had similar proportions of sex monsters to youtube. The only real difference being that these industries also have a problem with people just beating the poo poo out of others who are dependent on them, which youtube doesn't have as much due to physical distance. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Kind of a very specific question, but are there any good content creators/videos tackling Gundam you guys would recommend? I ask here mostly because I assume there must be plenty of fasc- I mean, Zeonic enthusiasts out there and I'd rather not watch those.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 10:21 |
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The only one I know of that's worth paying attention to is the podcast Mobile Suit Breakdown https://twitter.com/GundamPodcast They're very thorough and have a good setup and chemistry between the hosts. They also go much deeper to explain or speculate on the references and inspirations for the show and are well versed in Japanese linguistics and history, as well as the history of the franchise. The one's I've found on yt aren't fascist at all, there's actually been a lot of pushback on that in the fandom so it mostly only exists as right wing social media accounts with a zeon flag avis. However most gundam channels I know of are either just superficial fan gushing, which usually means explaining what's ludicrously obvious if you watched the show or movie they're talking about. The other channels are just about building and rating the gunpla models. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Azran posted:Kind of a very specific question, but are there any good content creators/videos tackling Gundam you guys would recommend? I ask here mostly because I assume there must be plenty of fasc- I mean, Zeonic enthusiasts out there and I'd rather not watch those. I've been trying to write one actually. It's interesting and difficult picking it all apart since Zeon is a Nazi-influenced aristocracy, but was effectively usurped from a place of Legitimate Grievance and still stands for that, and some of the Zabis even have redeeming qualities. I think that's how you get the Rorschach effect in the fandom, along with the cooler MS designs and uniforms. The federation is lovely in such a banal way meantime. But beyond optics I don't think there's a major problem in the fandom, the message of gundam is seperate from identifying with either side, it goes to great lengths to show both sides are wrong and have othered each other to make a pointless war inevitable. BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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BizarroAzrael posted:I've been trying to write one actually. It's interesting and difficult picking it all apart since Zeon is a Nazi-influenced aristocracy, but was effectively usurped from a place of Legitimate Grievance and still stands for that, and some of the Zabis even have redeeming qualities. I think that's how you get the Rorschach effect in the fandom, along with the cooler MS designs and uniforms. The federation is lovely in such a banal way meantime. It's a fusion of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. A fair amount of its backstory comes from how the Meiji Restoration evolved into the Showa Empire. It's also worth noting that the Federation were only reasonably clear-cut good guys (give or take some minor corruption and desperation) in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Zeta is about them going bad, and from then on they're mostly divided into shitlibs who roll over and beg for money whenever a fascist shows up and the occasional homebrew fascist, letting the serially genocidal Principality of Zeon reinvent itself as the only faction willing to look out for people in the space colonies (with less accuracy than they advertise but more accuracy than you might hope). Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Youtube has a similar dynamic to e.g. rock bands in the 80s where anyone can do it and strike lucky and suddenly they have lots of influence over impressionable fans, with very little oversight. Kinda hosed up to dismiss this as "oh, every industry is stuffed full of predatory paedophiles" tbh, Harvey Weinstein was notable because he had actual power which he was able to leverage to keep himself in place over decades, whoever the gently caress "Ryan Haywood" is can and should have the person with the off-valve for his income standing over his shoulder making sure he doesn't sext teens all weekend or w/e.
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Fil5000 posted:I wonder if he'll ever do the response to the "no actually fallout 3 is good" video he trailed in his Pathologic video. Tbh I hope hbomb doesn't get too mired in "lemme do an epic take down of this wrong Youtube man" type stuff. That approach works alright when you're swinging at literal nazis and other despicable types, but when it's just random other Youtubers who have different video game opinions? Ehhh. Like I think his jabs at Matthewmatosis in his Dark Souls 2 video slid into petty snideness and ultimately detracted from it and I say that even as someone who otherwise came away from the video thinking "yeah Harry seems to have a pretty good handle on this and MM was off the mark". Though I guess in general I'm just kinda soured on the whole ironic/unironic "They're welcome to their opinion. Their wrong opinion. For idiots. Haha just kidding. But seriously though...they're bad dumb wrong." routine.
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Baka-nin posted:The only one I know of that's worth paying attention to is the podcast Mobile Suit Breakdown https://twitter.com/GundamPodcast They're very thorough and have a good setup and chemistry between the hosts. They also go much deeper to explain or speculate on the references and inspirations for the show and are well versed in Japanese linguistics and history, as well as the history of the franchise. There's also The Great Gundam Project, which I haven't listened to but it's from the people that do the fine videogame podcast Abnormal Mapping so I'm sure they do a good job there too. It's gated behind the Abnormal Mapping patreon, but only at $1.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 11:35 |
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Hbomb will do a 114 hour response to MauLer's 8 hour response to his Dark Souls 2 video, the MauLer will make an exponentially longer response, and it will continue ad infinitum.
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sexpig by night posted:man I hope Kovic just is a victim of terrible timing (and, ya know, massive invasion of privacy...) and had normal but weird nudes leak while his coworker had grooming poo poo leak, I always liked that FH seemed like a rare 'gaming group' not full of scumbags... Yeah, I also hope it's just being an rear end in a top hat and sneezing on people's computers or being naked in the office and sitting on people's chairs or whatever petty stuff people do as revenge in an office idk, I've never worked in one, without sexting minors or grooming fans because there's way less victims in that scenario. Beefstew posted:Hbomb will do a 114 hour response to MauLer's 8 hour response to his Dark Souls 2 video, the MauLer will make an exponentially longer response, and it will continue ad infinitum. You don't need to play an ace when a 2 will do. HBomb will make an 1hr 30 response and MauLer will make a 87-hour response to that and die in the process of trying to stay up to accomplish it in one sitting because on top of not editing he doesn't undestand breaking things down over a week.
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John Murdoch posted:Tbh I hope hbomb doesn't get too mired in "lemme do an epic take down of this wrong Youtube man" type stuff. That approach works alright when you're swinging at literal nazis and other despicable types, but when it's just random other Youtubers who have different video game opinions? Ehhh. Like I think his jabs at Matthewmatosis in his Dark Souls 2 video slid into petty snideness and ultimately detracted from it and I say that even as someone who otherwise came away from the video thinking "yeah Harry seems to have a pretty good handle on this and MM was off the mark". It also made the video harder to follow. I played Dark Souls 2 close to release and read / talked about it then but hadn't followed it much since, so when he started talking about what someone else (who I had never heard of) thought about the game I didn't understand why those opinions were being given any particular emphasis. I think it works when it's a serious topic (as you said), and when it's nominally a response to one person that is used as a launching point for a more general critique / commentary.
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Also, hey, let Many a True Nerd have his opinion. I mean, if anybody's played Fallout 3 enough to have positive feelings about it, he has. Related: Jon also did a Fallout FOUR is better thank you think. That one even I have a hard time wrapping my head around.
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I should get in on this youtube train. That person apparently out-contrarians me and that shouldn't be allowed.
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Beefstew posted:Hbomb will do a 114 hour response to MauLer's 8 hour response to his Dark Souls 2 video, the MauLer will make an exponentially longer response, and it will continue ad infinitum. We've already seen this cycle play out with Jack Saint and it's just not worth it.
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Mauler is so strange I can't imagine spending that much time on anything and he does it over and over and over and over again. I didn't like Last Jedi but it wouldn't take me an hour to go over why and he's not even through the opening battle at that point.
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Darth Walrus posted:It's a fusion of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. A fair amount of its backstory comes from how the Meiji Restoration evolved into the Showa Empire. It's also worth noting that the Federation were only reasonably clear-cut good guys (give or take some minor corruption and desperation) in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Even then, the Federation gladly employs conscripted teenagers, purposely and recklessly endangers its civilians, disguises a weapons development as a residential zone, and got into the whole war because of their policy of displacing populations. It ain't that clear-cut that they're good guys. (And it's not an accident that the "good ending" only happens after the leadership of both sides is wiped out.)
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Schwarzwald posted:Even then, the Federation gladly employs conscripted teenagers, purposely and recklessly endangers its civilians, disguises a weapons development as a residential zone, and got into the whole war because of their policy of displacing populations. It ain't that clear-cut that they're good guys. (And it's not an accident that the "good ending" only happens after the leadership of both sides is wiped out.) Yes to the latter but everybody was deploying teenage conscripts in the war. Five billion people died in the first month of the conflict before they put a moratorium on nuclear warheads and colony drops.
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Darth Walrus posted:It's a fusion of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. A fair amount of its backstory comes from how the Meiji Restoration evolved into the Showa Empire. It's also worth noting that the Federation were only reasonably clear-cut good guys (give or take some minor corruption and desperation) in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. Zeta is about them going bad, and from then on they're mostly divided into shitlibs who roll over and beg for money whenever a fascist shows up and the occasional homebrew fascist, letting the serially genocidal Principality of Zeon reinvent itself as the only faction willing to look out for people in the space colonies (with less accuracy than they advertise but more accuracy than you might hope). The Feds are only good guys when compared to Literal Space Hitler Gihren Zabi. The entire conflict got started because The Federation was treating Colonists as 2nd class citizens, which Gihren exploited to motivate people to start a Space War.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Mauler is so strange I can't imagine spending that much time on anything and he does it over and over and over and over again. I didn't like Last Jedi but it wouldn't take me an hour to go over why and he's not even through the opening battle at that point. At this point I assume Mauler's fans just use his videos as a kind of white noise generator.
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On the one hand, I can understand wanting a long rear end stream to just play as background noise. I watched the Chip Cheezum MGS5 let's play over the last couple of weeks. as a second window thing. But I can't imagine just listening to hours and hours of Mauler and his crew vaguely rambling about a topic without any real focus. I couldn't make it more than a few minutes the last time someone posted a video of there's here. It'd drive me nuts.
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