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Oneiros posted:westerners are so removed from war they think a helicopter getting knocked out during an invasion is a national tragedy the commander in chief must personally notice Well, he is trying.. https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1496813024967106563 edit: tax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwO5rnJvzT4
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Feb 24, 2022 12:52
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TenementFunster posted:what do you suggest obviously ukraine should have surrendered and zelensky should have stepped down and handed the keys to country to the first russian he saw. this is all joe biden’s fault!
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Feb 24, 2022 12:52
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Ukraine being unable to deny the Russian military access of the roads is just incredible. Like what in the absolute poo poo were you thinking rejecting diplomacy if your capabilities were that low?
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Feb 24, 2022 12:53
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what was the diplomatic option again?
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Feb 24, 2022 12:54
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what is even the point of all the funding arming and chestbeating the west did over Ukraine if they’re not even gonna put up token resistance to the roads and bridges and airports lol and now the west is backing down over SWIFT lol absolute chumps
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Feb 24, 2022 12:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:obviously ukraine should have surrendered and zelensky should have stepped down and handed the keys to country to the first russian he saw. this is all joe biden’s fault!
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Feb 24, 2022 12:55
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Orange Devil posted:Ukraine being unable to deny the Russian military access of the roads is just incredible. zelenskij tried to do diplomacy after he was first elected, but it collapsed because the russians demanded more than he could actually give. he also tried to give more, but his efforts were substantially undermined by hard-line ukrainian elements. that made him look unreliable to putin, who seems to have preferred the present course of action for some obscure reason
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Feb 24, 2022 12:55
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Weird all the people who said the west was overreacting to the troop build up are not posting What a strange thread
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Feb 24, 2022 12:56
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Al-Saqr posted:what is even the point of all the funding arming and chestbeating the west did over Ukraine if they’re not even gonna put up token resistance to the roads and bridges and airports
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Feb 24, 2022 12:56
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Mr. Nice! posted:what was the diplomatic option again? Adhere to the Minsk accords and incorporate LDR / DNR as federal regions But lol that was never going to happen
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Feb 24, 2022 12:57
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Mr. Nice! posted:what was the diplomatic option again? the diplomatic option was before 2013 when russia gave its bid then western powers backed flipping over the table lol. now russia is doing turnabout Not So Fast posted:Adhere to the Minsk accords and incorporate LDR / DNR as federal regions yeah domestically/internationally untenable
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Feb 24, 2022 12:57
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Mr. Nice! posted:obviously ukraine should have surrendered and zelensky should have stepped down and handed the keys to country to the first russian he saw. this is all joe biden’s fault! huh i wonder if joe biden was doing anything to escalate tensions before ukraine got invaded lol
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Feb 24, 2022 12:57
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703 posted:Weird all the people who said the west was overreacting to the troop build up are not posting ukraine isn't even a real country
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Feb 24, 2022 12:57
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Orange Devil posted:Ukraine being unable to deny the Russian military access of the roads is just incredible. you are the kind of person who would say and do nothing if a person slightly stronger than you was to punch your child in front of you lmao how could you resist when you physical capabilitie that low
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Feb 24, 2022 12:57
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Mr. Nice! posted:what was the diplomatic option again? Take Russia's demands seriously. Don't dump more weapons into the hands of fascist paramilitaries. Don't refuse to take Ukraine off the NATO membership MAP. Russia presented a number of maximalist demands that could've been negotiated down from, but instead we refused to budge an inch. Al-Saqr posted:what is even the point of all the funding arming and chestbeating the west did over Ukraine if they’re not even gonna put up token resistance to the roads and bridges and airports lol and now the west is backing down over SWIFT lol absolute chumps I guarantee you somebody's gonna have the take that they're letting the Russian army fall into a trap, where the babushka volksturm will spring from the trees, javelins at the ready.
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Feb 24, 2022 12:58
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Mr. Nice! posted:what was the diplomatic option again? Pull back forces from the eastern regions, allow them to do some elections and amend the constitution. Literally impossible for Ukraine in 2022 so instead they get to see their military collapse, the breakaway regions become their own nation states with a larger claim and sign off on any future ability to join nato.
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Feb 24, 2022 12:59
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the only way for zelenskij to actually make a deal here would've been if the NATO powers had seriously backed him, and they weren't going to do that because it's not in their interest to capitulate in a border region where they don't really have anything to lose.
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Feb 24, 2022 12:59
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is frosted flake the only former troop not mad about this, i mean yeah mostly hes amazed by how russian forces woulda overrun nato in deep battle or whatever the hell, but like. come on, jack.
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Feb 24, 2022 12:59
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the west could of been over reacting and also helped cause this two things can be true
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Feb 24, 2022 12:59
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Not So Fast posted:Adhere to the Minsk accords and incorporate LDR / DNR as federal regions i thought the only diplomacy offered by putin was to acknowledge that russia now owned crimea, that ldr and dnr are no longer ukraine as well, completely stand down the military, and refuse any further western aid. sounds pretty reasonable can’t see why ukraine didn’t do this.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:00
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703 posted:Weird all the people who said the west was overreacting to the troop build up are not posting i mean they were overreacting in the sense that they aren't going to do poo poo about it anyway. and arguably shouldn't do poo poo as depressing as that is to say. all the news centering on western leaders opinions about things before the war was sickening because it was obviously always a pr and procurement grift opportunity, with no substance whatsoever.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:00
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TenementFunster posted:would you? I’m a fat coward gamer not a national military tasked with defending the country lol
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Feb 24, 2022 13:00
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Orange Devil posted:Ukraine being unable to deny the Russian military access of the roads is just incredible. Because we told him too. Zelensky was played, he was a means to an end to get the war Washington wanted as an excuse to finally cut Russia off from Europe economically....even if it doesn't necessarily happen overnight.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:00
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reinstate kievan rus
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Feb 24, 2022 13:00
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if the Rooskies are as succesful as it appears, this might be the beginning of the end for the American-led rules based International order. the only thing keeping us from a return to great power realpolitik or is liberal mystification and liberalism.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:00
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Ash Crimson posted:you are the kind of person who would say and do nothing if a person slightly stronger than you was to punch your child in front of you lmao If some guy threatened to hurt my kid, I wouldn't call them a pussy and dare them to do it.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:01
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no way russia would trust a NATO promise not to admit ukraine after the last ~25 years of world history tho
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Feb 24, 2022 13:01
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Just invite russia into nato again
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Feb 24, 2022 13:01
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i think the reality, like it or hate it, is that if you can't maintain your borders militarily and nobody is willing to start ww3 for you then you do not have national sovereignty. this really shouldn't come as such a disorienting blow to any american, considering the last seventy or so years
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Feb 24, 2022 13:02
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If some guy threatened to hurt my kid, I wouldn't call them a pussy and dare them to do it. are you sure
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Feb 24, 2022 13:03
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TenementFunster posted:what do you suggest what ukraine should have done is accepted reality and not dragged their feet on minsk 2, but that's what you get for trusting the perifidous angloid what the west should do from a moral standpoint is offer immediate and credible guarantees that nato expansion is over for good and force zelensky to either implement minsk 2 (or recognize the breakaway republics if that's what it takes) in return for an immediate ceasefire, but the point here never was to protect ukraine, the point was to keep russia down and if it came to war sacrifice every last ukrainian to bleed the russians dry unfortunately for that particular plan, as it turns out, the west is utter poo poo at conventional war too and for all their hi-tech gizmos and supposedly superior western training the ukrainians are getting steamrolled kinda reminds me of the intended afghanistan withdrawal scenario, except somehow even more humiliating
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Feb 24, 2022 13:03
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What if Russia takes over Poland??? well poo poo i guess nations are fake who could have seen that coming
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Feb 24, 2022 13:03
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1496810023690850304?s=20&t=QP6Tc6EQJHQAUJ8qyuBLOA "Syrian farmers" lol
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Feb 24, 2022 13:04
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poland was never real
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Feb 24, 2022 13:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1496797101677850630 They can't do that. It would destroy SWIFT.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:04
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Mr. Nice! posted:i thought the only diplomacy offered by putin was to acknowledge that russia now owned crimea, that ldr and dnr are no longer ukraine as well, completely stand down the military, and refuse any further western aid. Putin literally said that he wasn’t going to sign the resolution accepting the other regions and was saying that Minsk 2 was still the best vehicle to avert war. Germany and France apparently were in the boat saying this as well. And then Zelensky said that Minsk 2 was dead and maybe Ukraine should get nuclear weapons.
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Feb 24, 2022 13:05
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Orange Devil posted:Ukraine being unable to deny the Russian military access of the roads is just incredible. might not, necessarily, be the Ukrainian overestimating their capabilities. It might also be the effect of a overwhelming attack on both Ukrainian frontline forces and their strategic depth. If the Ukrainians front line and reserves don't know where the Russians are there's not really much to be done. 70 years of perfecting Deep Battle Doctrine has paid off dividends
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Feb 24, 2022 13:05
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hasnt joe biden been saying from the start that he wasnt gonna commit us troops to defend ukraine, so like what did ukraine expect. has anything changed cuz i just see stuff about more sanctions
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Feb 24, 2022 13:05
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https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1496818153065693190
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Feb 24, 2022 13:06
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703 posted:Weird all the people who said the west was overreacting to the troop build up are not posting its a weird thing overall cuz the Russians were already operating militarily in Ukraine they just put a blanket over their heads and did "if i can't see you then you can't see me" because international law like all law is kind of lol when you can just ignore it
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