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Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
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Ferrinus posted:

The Sonic charm should be for when a Hedgehog stylist needs to reposition and emulate pressing down and tapping jump to charge a spindash. On one round you're stuck in place and particularly damaging to those who attack or approach, and then you can release it to immediately zip one or two range bands and attack people on the way.

For deniability purposes you can talk about scampering surprisingly quickly, but everyone will know what you're really doing.

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
I did some very cursory digging and this seems to be someone's notes on the contents of the Exalted Essence stream:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nLWtrRoGHAmugZAGdrLUu0swsB6K1BKHXx2dUuUuBAY/edit

"Breath of War" sounds like essence regeneration in combat is still accelerated but I really wish they had managed to avoid that in design somehow.

Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jun 13, 2020

Attorney at Funk
Jun 3, 2008

...the person who says honestly that he despairs is closer to being cured than all those who are not regarded as despairing by themselves or others.
This sounds cool! Very much looking forward to this. Especially appreciate the back and forth of withering combat not loving with the turn order.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
It looks neat! My group is not interested in playing it from what's been shown, but also we really like the core game and its crunch for all its flaws and it would have sorta been mission failed on their stated goal for Essence if we were into super into it.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

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EthanSteele posted:

It looks neat! My group is not interested in playing it from what's been shown, but also we really like the core game and its crunch for all its flaws and it would have sorta been mission failed on their stated goal for Essence if we were into super into it.

For all its flaws I do like most of what Ex3 puts out (moreso the DB book than the Solar book, which even given who wrote it is pretty spotty in retrospect), but I have a friend who has really bad dyscalculia issues so higher tier Ex3 was and is a complete unfun struggle for them.

With any luck this solves that handily.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
As a fellow dyscalculia sufferer they have my sympathy. I'm only at essence 3 so its not too bad for me right now, but I am the one sitting there counting on his fingers for mote costs and dice pools and then going "8+3 is 12, no wait, 13, no the other direction, 11" so hopefully it doesn't get any worse!

Attorney at Funk
Jun 3, 2008

...the person who says honestly that he despairs is closer to being cured than all those who are not regarded as despairing by themselves or others.
I find that remembering all the different potential tricks I can do at high Essence to be a bigger cognitive load than the arithmetic, which basically never moves beyond adding together double digit numbers.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Just approved the cover sketch for the book of Charms and celebrated by adding a Medicine Charm that lets you devise effective treatment plans and cures that you can share with other physicians, for you guys.

pork never goes bad
May 16, 2008

We just ended our campaign, but our medicine supernal who was resenting his lack of useful or flavorful tools by campaign's end would have loved that. Tiger Doctor Training Technique.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



pork never goes bad posted:

We just ended our campaign, but our medicine supernal who was resenting his lack of useful or flavorful tools by campaign's end would have loved that. Tiger Doctor Training Technique.
Reindeer Doctor.

pork never goes bad
May 16, 2008

Nessus posted:

Reindeer Doctor.

Incredible.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
And now, my book of Charms is ready... if I could just figure out why inDesign is exporting all the bookmarks that work fine in inDesign but they don't link to anything in the PDF!

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
There, I finally kicked inDesign into semi-submission...

The Book of Wonders Wanted is my new series of Charm books, and the Solar edition is now on sale, including several things y'all specifically asked for.

Mile'ionaha
Nov 2, 2004

Ferrinus posted:

Simply take a bunch of the Charms you already wrote, add "When on a boat," to half of them, and "When mounted," to the other half.

Adding true power to masters of Hidden Horse style.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/exalted-3-hidden-horse-style.799438/

Rand Brittain posted:

There, I finally kicked inDesign into semi-submission...

The Book of Wonders Wanted is my new series of Charm books, and the Solar edition is now on sale, including several things y'all specifically asked for.

Luminous Inconstancy Approach seems almost like an Adorjan charm. Enjoying most of them, I like your Bureaucracy charms a great deal, but Almighty Pillars Assembly seems redundant. With S3 and CNNT, I expect to have these abilities already.

Knocking together a comfy cabin in an *hour* would be more impressive, and throwing up walls in *minutes* would be tactically advantageous. Should also count as a bonus Means (or other bonus) for manse construction as you build it like Hercules built the Rock of Gibraltar.

Mile'ionaha fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jul 9, 2020

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

Mile'ionaha posted:

Luminous Inconstancy Approach seems almost like an Adorjan charm. Enjoying most of them, I like your Bureaucracy charms a great deal, but Almighty Pillars Assembly seems redundant. With S3 and CNNT, I expect to have these abilities already.

Knocking together a comfy cabin in an *hour* would be more impressive, and throwing up walls in *minutes* would be tactically advantageous. Should also count as a bonus Means (or other bonus) for manse construction as you build it like Hercules built the Rock of Gibraltar.

Craftsman Needs No Tools is such a loving terrible Charm.

I mean, it's a great Charm, and that's why it's terrible, because it makes a huge swathe of potential Craft Charms unnecessary by giving literally every Solar craftsman telekinesis. I had a really cool idea once for quickly making things and envisioned just sort of running your knife along the edge of a stick and once you reach the other end, one end splits apart into fletching and the other end is pointy and bam, arrow. But no, because CNNT makes that irrelevant! It's always been like that, though, and at least one person has loudly told me that it's their favorite. Life is full of sorrow.

Adding a serious buff to your speed with Almighty Pillars Assembly as Essence increases is possible although it's possible that in order to beat CNNT it would have to be absolutely ludicrous for a Charm I designed with a particular player in mind whose Solar wasn't particularly crafty but was very strong and wanted to help people build houses.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you

Rand Brittain posted:

I had a really cool idea once for quickly making things and envisioned just sort of running your knife along the edge of a stick and once you reach the other end, one end splits apart into fletching and the other end is pointy and bam, arrow. But no, because CNNT makes that irrelevant!

Isn't this just a stunt while using CNNT? I'd say a thing being possible with CNNT is the opposite of it being made irrelevant by it but maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying here.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

EthanSteele posted:

Isn't this just a stunt while using CNNT? I'd say a thing being possible with CNNT is the opposite of it being made irrelevant by it but maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying here.

You could do it as a stunt using CNNT. The thing is that you could do pretty much anything involving either "tools" or "working quickly" with CNNT and this means that a huge amount of the Charms you could invent for Craft that aren't just dice tricks have been obviated by a base-level Charm purchase that everybody gets.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger

Rand Brittain posted:

You could do it as a stunt using CNNT. The thing is that you could do pretty much anything involving either "tools" or "working quickly" with CNNT and this means that a huge amount of the Charms you could invent for Craft that aren't just dice tricks have been obviated by a base-level Charm purchase that everybody gets.

Sounds like more of a reason to prune the existing trees.

Though at this point coming up with new trees meant to overwrite the originals may be a better road to patching the core book.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

A_Raving_Loon posted:

Sounds like more of a reason to prune the existing trees.

Though at this point coming up with new trees meant to overwrite the originals may be a better road to patching the core book.

This book actually has new trees that replace the Dogstar Ruminations and Wyld-Shaping Technique trees, but it's way easier for an unofficial supplement to replace Charms that nobody bought than it is to replace Charms that everybody bought.

Although, coming up with an alternate Craft system and Vaulting that seems plausible, although Crucible of Legends may make it moot.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013
I really like CNNT for being a weird and very distinctive power, and if that closes off possibilities for other Charms, that's perfectly fine with me because we already need fewer Charms that are each more distinctive in use.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
I would probably have made "you don't need tools" a Lunar and/or Sidereal trick and made Solars more dependent on context and jury-rigging.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

Ferrinus posted:

I would probably have made "you don't need tools" a Lunar and/or Sidereal trick and made Solars more dependent on context and jury-rigging.

Jury-rigging is definitely something they can do, but if I had it to do from scratch I'd give Solars a vested interest in building and continually upgrading a workshop with special tools, like a shiny golden Starcraft base.

(Similarly, Solar Ride would probably be better, as someone pointed out to me a while back, if Solars got invested in having a particular legendary steed, as most Ride-specialists in literature do, rather than treating horses as interchangeable.)

Rand Brittain fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 12, 2020

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Rand Brittain posted:

Jury-rigging is definitely something they can do, but if I had it to do from scratch I'd give Solars a vested interest in building and continually upgrading a workshop with special tools, like a shiny golden Starcraft base.

That runs into the basic traveling murderhobo (or traveling murderarmy) problem that Exalted has never really put any effort into correcting.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

Roadie posted:

That runs into the basic traveling murderhobo (or traveling murderarmy) problem that Exalted has never really put any effort into correcting.

Why correct it? Just build the most normal-looking travelling circus ever.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Rand Brittain posted:

Jury-rigging is definitely something they can do, but if I had it to do from scratch I'd give Solars a vested interest in building and continually upgrading a workshop with special tools, like a shiny golden Starcraft base.

(Similarly, Solar Ride would probably be better, as someone pointed out to me a while back, if Solars got invested in having a particular legendary steed, as most Ride-specialists in literature do, rather than treating horses as interchangeable.)

Yeah, I'm with you. An improviser/MacGyver type should definitely be possible but I'd make an analogy between a Solar with a signature daiklave/suit of armor and a Solar who uses GSS and its Resistance equivalent.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Rand Brittain posted:

Why correct it? Just build the most normal-looking travelling circus ever.

That was pretty much why every 2E group had a flying manse.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Ferrinus posted:

I would probably have made "you don't need tools" a Lunar and/or Sidereal trick and made Solars more dependent on context and jury-rigging.

I kinda feel like... CNNT is the most Solar charm ever written? There's nothing that says "supreme perfection of skill" to me as much as "I'm so good at this that I don't even need tools/I can do it under conditions that would usually make it impossible," and I don't think there's anything that encapsulates that quite so perfectly as CNNT?

You could make the argument that reaching into a forge, pulling out a bar of white-hot steel, and wringing a sword out of it with your bare hands is not, technically, within the purview of human skill. And sure. But I feel like it's, uh, the most direct projection of skill into the supernatural sphere? I don't think you can reasonably rule it out of bounds for Solars unless you're ruling out every other thing that's even vaguely esoteric.

I also feel like it's kind of a boring charm, which leaves me in the awkward position of not being exactly certain what I'd want done with it. Not having it be an essence 1 charm at the root of a tree seems like a start?

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
Being able to reach into a forge and and wring a sword out of steel with your bare hands does not read to me as supreme perfection of skill so much as it does a combination of fire resistance and preternatural strength. Remember, the sword doesn't come out any better than a normal sword, you're just taking advantage of the fact that you're fireproof and either super-strong or ferrokinetic to do naked what most people would do with a hammer. I would instead expect a Solar to be able to get done with a few rocks and a campfire what someone else could do with a fully-equipped forge (albeit at the cost of taking longer, though presumably other Charms could countervail that), and maybe eventually getting to the point of being able to manifest artifact-quality tools out of pure anima the same as they can do with weapons or armor.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
Words-as-Workshop Method is almost exactly that last bit, except its making artifact-quality tools out of the essence of the world.

Mile'ionaha
Nov 2, 2004

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:


I also feel like it's kind of a boring charm, which leaves me in the awkward position of not being exactly certain what I'd want done with it. Not having it be an essence 1 charm at the root of a tree seems like a start?

On the other hand, I could easily be persuaded to dip into CNNT and never touch another craft charm because of the narrative opportunities opened by that single charm.

No, I won't be mass-producing artifacts, but I can tear down a city wall in dramatic time.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger

Ferrinus posted:

Being able to reach into a forge and and wring a sword out of steel with your bare hands does not read to me as supreme perfection of skill so much as it does a combination of fire resistance and preternatural strength. Remember, the sword doesn't come out any better than a normal sword, you're just taking advantage of the fact that you're fireproof and either super-strong or ferrokinetic to do naked what most people would do with a hammer. I would instead expect a Solar to be able to get done with a few rocks and a campfire what someone else could do with a fully-equipped forge (albeit at the cost of taking longer, though presumably other Charms could countervail that), and maybe eventually getting to the point of being able to manifest artifact-quality tools out of pure anima the same as they can do with weapons or armor.

Activate Craftsman Needs No Tools and act out a Primitive Technology video as you bootstrap your way from bare hands to whatever you need in an afternoon.

Various ancient trades that required immense patience due to unreliable tools and poor quality materials just work right on the first go for you because you are a god of DIY and know exactly what you're doing.

A_Raving_Loon fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jul 13, 2020

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
Okay but the Primitive Technology guy actually does turn out to need tools! He uses his bare hands to make crude tools, then those crude tools to make more advanced tools, and so on!

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
I mean, I feel like Solars definitely can work without tools, but I think using tools to be better is something they should have more Charms for. "I absolutely don't need or maybe even really want tools" is a more common Lunar focus.

On top of everything else, I put out a new volume of the bestiary, this time full of Sidereals. Trying to pound out the 1e Charmset into a set of Charms that do meaningful things in 3e was quite a bit more work than the Lunars or Dragon-Blooded were, but presumably that just makes it more worth it for somebody.

Also I really enjoyed making the fancy layout box for the Prismatic Arrangement of Creation stylist, so there's that.

pork never goes bad
May 16, 2008

Did anyone catch the Essence play that they streamed yesterday? I missed it and the vods are subscriber only.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

pork never goes bad posted:

Did anyone catch the Essence play that they streamed yesterday? I missed it and the vods are subscriber only.

You might check their YouTube in a couple of days. They normally put stuff on there after a while.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Rand Brittain posted:

On top of everything else, I put out a new volume of the bestiary, this time full of Sidereals. Trying to pound out the 1e Charmset into a set of Charms that do meaningful things in 3e was quite a bit more work than the Lunars or Dragon-Blooded were, but presumably that just makes it more worth it for somebody.

Ceiling Jenna Moran is watching you worldbuild.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
I just realized there needs to be a survival or possibly craft charm that lets you do this



as soon as you defeat a monster. Just immediately turn it into all the useful poo poo without having to bother a butcher, tanner, taxidermist, etc. (my dragonblood character still rolls with a bunch of whalers, etc. to process down fearsome beasts into trophies and so forth but Popeye is so stylish there)

E: Abyssal???

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Aug 12, 2020

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
Sorry, there can only be, uh, I think the final count is five Craft charms that actually do anything intelligible.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
Craftsman Needs No Tools strikes again.

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Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
i'm one tough punch-wizard
which hates el'mental lizards,
what ain't on on the up and square
i shocks em and smotes em
and always out-motes them
but none of 'em gets nowhere

i'm pop-eye the solar man

Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Aug 12, 2020

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