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I feel really bad Chocobo Dungeon wasn't mentioned earlier when we learned Square Enix was ready to bring back all the franchises.
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The Unholy Ghost posted:Cool opinion. But have you considered that other people disagree? That isn't a distinct difference between games and other media. That's just stupid. There's no reason a movie sequel or book sequel can't be good. FFX-2 also wasn't a sequel made a decade after the fact by a completely different team. Any theoretical Chrono Trigger sequel would be. It's entirely possible a Chrono Trigger sequel could be good. It's possible anything could be good. However expecting a sequel to be good just because it shares the name of a good thing is dumb. Chrono Trigger wasn't good because it was Chrono Trigger. It was good because it was the creation of a strong team of creators with well-defined ideas working on a strong concept, and also because it came out at a time when the ideas and concepts it introduced were revolutionary and fresh to some degree or another. I don't understand the desire people have for a sequel just to have a sequel. A sequel by a strong creative team? Sure, that makes sense. A sequel by the original development team? Sure, that makes sense. Just a generic Chrono Break by Whoever? Who gives a poo poo? ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 22:14
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I'd be okay with more games like Echoes of Time
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Jul 14, 2016 22:18
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zedprime posted:I feel really bad Chocobo Dungeon wasn't mentioned earlier when we learned Square Enix was ready to bring back all the franchises. yeah. now think about what you've done
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Jul 14, 2016 22:20
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I mean at least Mystery Dungeon games still come out.
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Jul 14, 2016 22:23
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Phantasium posted:I mean at least Mystery Dungeon games still come out.  chocobo dungeon is NOT made by the Mystery Dungeon people
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Jul 14, 2016 22:26
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Wait what? Huh.
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Jul 14, 2016 22:31
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I really wish there was another Crystal Chronicles game that was actually like the original Crystal Chronicles. I was lucky enough to have three friends with GBAs back in college so we actually got to play four-player, all gathered around the TV in my friend's dorm room, and it was an absolute blast. It seems like something like that could easily work on the 3DS with online play, and it's not like they haven't tried, but none of the sequels really scratched that same itch.
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Jul 14, 2016 22:44
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Jul 14, 2016 23:22
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So I thought Brave Exvius was just a Record Keeper-style/all menus game, and I was really surprised when I got to the first town and was walking around talking to people and completing quests. Seems really cool so far! Also I have Terra in Majitek armor, so that's neat.
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Jul 14, 2016 23:33
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Harrow posted:I figured it was more that ambient magic faded. People could still do it, but it became less and less prevalent. For example, the lack of airships and teleport crystals in FFT and the subtler, darker magic in Vagrant Story (with the Dark being the ultimate sealed-away power). If I'm not mistaken, there's also no reference to Mist in either Tactics or Vagrant Story. It faded, but never really completely went away.
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Jul 15, 2016 00:46
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Scalding Coffee posted:It is almost like FFT was a self-contained story. I mean, yes, but they did intentionally set FFXII in Ivalice and then weave in references to things alluded to in Tactics (like the fact that moogles once existed and are extinct by the time Tactics takes place). FFXII was intentionally set in the same timeline as Tactics so I don't think it's too crazy to think about why the version of Ivalice we see in XII is so different.
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Jul 15, 2016 00:52
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Harrow posted:It seems like something like that could easily work on the 3DS with online play, and it's not like they haven't tried, but none of the sequels really scratched that same itch.
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Jul 15, 2016 00:53
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corn in the bible posted:gently caress all that make a new chocobo dungeon game 
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Jul 15, 2016 01:26
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The XIV patch next week adds a 1-4 player rogue-ish dungeon that Yoshi-P said was inspired by Chocobo Dungeon, so at least it lives on somewhat. You can do it, Chocobo.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:40
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Actually Chrono Cross is good and powerful and a neat end cap on the idea of "What if we took CT's time travel story a little too far?" and everything's hosed up because the Hero's hosed up time to save the day. 
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Jul 15, 2016 01:45
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I think the major problem with Chrono Cross is that it doesn't have a central coherent idea. It has two concepts: "What if Chrono Trigger's time travel had serious consequences" and a butterfly-effect style "What if one change made the world drastically different." Both of which can sustain a game on their own but together are just too convoluted for their own good, especially since the game lacks a central cast to really strongly define it. They really needed to pick one and focus on it.
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Jul 15, 2016 02:25
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Jul 15, 2016 02:25
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i loved chrono cross, more sequels need to kill the previous game protags without warning and off -screen
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Jul 15, 2016 03:13
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more games need a billion playable characters 3 of who matter
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Jul 15, 2016 03:15
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Might I suggest the Suikoden series
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mandatory lesbian posted:more games need a billion playable characters 3 of who matter You can get 3 Mojoy's ?
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Jul 15, 2016 03:20
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Jul 15, 2016 03:28
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ImpAtom posted:I think the major problem with Chrono Cross is that it doesn't have a central coherent idea. I don't know that those two ideas are necessarily at odds, but at the same time, they probably needed to do a better job of delineating the side effects of each. Part of what makes the game so confusing on a first read is that the timeline effects that are the result of the Chrono Trigger Crew's defeating Lavos and the effects of Serge not drowning get mixed together and it's a nightmare trying to tease it all apart. (See: that gigantic pastebin from a couple pages back which, while fascinating, really highlights what a clusterfuck the plot is.) It's stuffed full of great ideas but it doesn't really take the time to let those ideas breathe in between twists, so you just end up with a big infodump-by-ghost at the end.
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Jul 15, 2016 03:33
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I think they should make a Chocobo Racing sequel. Or bring back Rad Racer.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Or bring back Rad Racer. The technology's here, it's time for The VR Battles of WorldRunner.
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Jul 15, 2016 10:45
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Speaking of which, if you visit SE at Comic-Con in San Diego next week you get to try out some FFXV...themed go-kart! And also some actual FFXV.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I think they should make a Chocobo Racing sequel. Or bring back Rad Racer. Chocobo Racing 3DS was the reason I bought my 3DS  it also looked like it was gonna be awful but at the time all I could see was the logo and that was enough for me!
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Jul 15, 2016 10:57
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FFVII A New Threat's been pretty good for it's Shinra Building stuff. He took out the diorama puzzle and just handed you the keycard in the first chest then filled the others with items. Also threw a Carry Armour in front of the Diorama room that instantly deals 5000+ damage when you fight him. Doesn't game over and just throws you out of fight with 0 HP on everybody. The Sample:H0512 fight was neat primarily because it casts matra magic and laser early on netting you two decent enemy skills. The gimmick it had for the fight was more of a timewaste though. He inserted save points after the party meets with Rufus and before the Rufus fight. Also put a shop just before the elevator. Hundred Gunner actually hit pretty hard with his second form being pretty damaging to the whole party but Aeris being primarily a healer and damage dealer wrecked him. Heli Gunner was surprising but really easy in the end by just spamming Matra Magic and using Osmose to regain MP back.
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Harrow posted:I don't know that those two ideas are necessarily at odds, but at the same time, they probably needed to do a better job of delineating the side effects of each. Part of what makes the game so confusing on a first read is that the timeline effects that are the result of the Chrono Trigger Crew's defeating Lavos and the effects of Serge not drowning get mixed together and it's a nightmare trying to tease it all apart. (See: that gigantic pastebin from a couple pages back which, while fascinating, really highlights what a clusterfuck the plot is.) They were also deep into their hardcore environmentalist phase when they made that game and the pro-environmental messages are really, really ill thought out. Why are dwarves driving death-black-smoke-billowing tanks in order to genocide fairies for living space chewing us out for taking bad care of the planet? Why are the fairies siding with them!? At least FFVII committed the proper time and effort to make its environmental message both central and sensible. Wasn't Japan in the throes of a giant wave of environmentalism in the mid 90s? Did I imagine reading that? It would explain why Chrono Cross's pro-environment message was shoehorned in; perhaps players at the time just kind of expected to be made to feel like poo poo for being human. Still, at the end of the day I can't hate that game. Something about the way they threw all that crap at the wall wound up sticking with me anyway. And they tried. They tried so hard. They failed! A lot! But they tried, and for some reason CC's (and FF's) mad flailing is endearing.
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Jul 15, 2016 11:59
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Actually, chrono cross is good.
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Chrono Cross is one of my favorite PSX JRPGs, I turned my nose up at it for years because it wasn't exactly the same as Chrono Trigger but when I actually sat down to play it I wound up loving it. It's a bit of a beautiful mess but it's still a lot of fun to play, I love the battle system and general look of the game, to say nothing of the soundtrack. The huge cast is honestly just a distraction because to me Cross is basically just a story about Serge and Kid, and what they have there is pretty strong IMO. You still get enough of interesting folks to add a little bit of flavor, like Karsh/Glenn/Fargo, that it still feels like you have a decently sized party to work with. And while most of the reason I like the game has nothing to do with Trigger, I thought it was really interesting take on "hey maybe saving the world through time fuckery wasn't the perfect ideal idea we thought it would be."
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Jul 15, 2016 13:21
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Chrono Break it is, then.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:16
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I liked Chrono Cross, it's plot was a mess and I still don't quite get it but it was a pretty cool RPG.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:20
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Chrono Cross was cool and fun but also wierd and janky as poo poo so I can't fault anyone for not liking it as a followup to Trigger
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Jul 15, 2016 14:48
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I just wish it was remade because that art style could look even more gorgeous and also not run at whatever PS1 framerate it was stuck at.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:53
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me, irl, waiting for the topic to change to a good game sigh, sip
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Golden Goat posted:FFVII A New Threat's been pretty good for it's Shinra Building stuff. He took out the diorama puzzle and just handed you the keycard in the first chest then filled the others with items. Are you using Barret in the Front or Back Row? I never could decide which I wanted. Then I kicked him out of the party for Vincent and Cait Sith. (I've literally never used CS. I want to try something new) I like Chrono Cross because it's clearly Masato Kato tries to write Chrono Trigger meets Xenogears. YMMV on how that worked out but I respect him for trying.
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I don't like the idea of Serge being a silent protagonist in that game. It worked for Trigger because you had a party of interesting and memorable characters to go along with the plot. Cross just had a mess of characters all with the same precanned dialogue with accent filters. I don't like it when most your party has no characterization. Didnt like that about DQ9 either. In the end you rely on the strength of the plot. And like it's been said, while it's interesting, it's a convoluted mess that doesn't get fully explained until the very end of the game. And even then, unless you were taking notes or something, you still wouldn't know what was going on unless you looked at a write up online. Once you better understand the plot the game is aight. Good music too.
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