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Glazius posted:So, why have the fayth never presented this option to anyone before? Did Auron have to go in and bring Tidus out before they'd recover enough to present it to anybody? The impression I got for this was that the Fayth in the statues can't actually communicate with the people of Spira much beyond "Here's a dragon, don't name it something stupid goddammit you did didn't you". Tidus is the exception, because he's also a Fayth- so they can actually do something about the cycle this time around. That, and even if they could, we've seen just how vehemently (and violently) Yevon responds to anyone not following the script. Any summoners trying to figure out another way to do things would've gotten killed, just like they tried to do to us.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Speaking of the Hymn, did anyone explain that it isn't just gibberish that sounds good? Yeah, the lyrics of the Hymn mention Yu Yevon.
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Chantilly Say posted:But if I remember right, wasn't the plan they came up with "Let's go kill God?" That is pretty much the plan in every 4 out of 5 RPGs to begin with.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Speaking of the Hymn, did anyone explain that it isn't just gibberish that sounds good? I was going to, but never got around to it since I didn't think anyone would care. Anyway, according to the FF Wiki: quote:The lyrics of the song require some deciphering. They are:
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Chantilly Say posted:But if I remember right, wasn't the plan they came up with "Let's go kill God?" No, their plan was 'regrow the tree that makes the world work' which would consume a dead girl's soul. Who explicitly asks them to do it. Then they fight her brother who's just a powerful dude who pretends to be an angel and is really, really obsessed with damning the world to bring his sister back. God doesn't really show up or exist at all.
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W.T. Fits posted:I was going to, but never got around to it since I didn't think anyone would care. Anyway, according to the FF Wiki: More effort was put into this song than Bevelle in either game.
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Chantilly Say posted:But if I remember right, wasn't the plan they came up with "Let's go kill God?" not really. they come up with several plans, and though the anime bishie jesus pope is your major antagonist they never specifically set out to kill him and again, actual plans, not the bullshit you're gonna see here shortly. ffx doesn't sell the final showdown with sin at all
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Sooo... the plan so far is to have everyone in the world go Disney musical in order to summon the doom whale and from there hope to wing it all the way to the core and kill Yu Yevon... This plan is not looking half as bad in retrospective I mean, at least they had the powerpoint presentation lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Looper posted:not really. they come up with several plans, and though the anime bishie jesus pope is your major antagonist they never specifically set out to kill him that's one of my favorite things about Symphonia, most of the time fantasy Magic Science is explained so that strange things happening aren't just random bullshit meant to move the plot. of course it's terminally anime but that's just the way JRPGs roll.
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Looper posted:not really. they come up with several plans, and though the anime bishie jesus pope is your major antagonist they never specifically set out to kill him Well, I'm pretty sure by the end they're pretty dead set on making "Kill the crazy psycho rear end in a top hat who ripped the world into two, completely hosed with the source of all mana (a.k.a. literally a requirement for all life on the world) and caused untold thousands of years of misery in vain to save his sister who just wants to die at this point" one of the major lynchpins of their plans. Symphonia gets a special place alongside Skies of Arcadia in my heart for being a) anime as gently caress while also b) having competent writing and characters who actually try to figure things out and do more than bumble forward and relying on plot railroads to succeed. Of course it's also crazy long so I'll probably never, ever, ever loving touch it again but still.
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Alkydere posted:Well, I'm pretty sure by the end they're pretty dead set on making "Kill the crazy psycho rear end in a top hat who ripped the world into two, completely hosed with the source of all mana (a.k.a. literally a requirement for all life on the world) and caused untold thousands of years of misery in vain to save his sister who just wants to die at this point" one of the major lynchpins of their plans. I was gonna say, Symphonia also happens to take sixteen and a half thousand years before the plot comes together enough for them to make that plan. Arcadia at least had the benefit of pretty much always moving towards the singular purpose of "Collect the Moon Crystals and while we're at it kick the Empire's poo poo in whenever possible".
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Alkydere posted:Well, I'm pretty sure by the end they're pretty dead set on making "Kill the crazy psycho rear end in a top hat who ripped the world into two, completely hosed with the source of all mana (a.k.a. literally a requirement for all life on the world) and caused untold thousands of years of misery in vain to save his sister who just wants to die at this point" one of the major lynchpins of their plans. To be completely fair, they actually tried talking him down first. Several times. They actually killed him once after the first time negotiations fell through, watched him somehow get better, and tried reasoning with him AGAIN before finally putting him down for good. Killing him was very much the last resort option after he made it clear he wasn't about to listen to minor things like "sanity" or "the desires of every single being in both worlds besides himself". Some people just won't be helped.
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Chantilly Say posted:But if I remember right, wasn't the plan they came up with "Let's go kill God?" I'm sorry but which Final Fantasy/JRPG are we talking about here?
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Golden Goat posted:I'm sorry but which Final Fantasy/JRPG are we talking about here? That was Tales of Symphonia I think?
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Derek Barona posted:I was gonna say, Symphonia also happens to take sixteen and a half thousand years before the plot comes together enough for them to make that plan. Arcadia at least had the benefit of pretty much always moving towards the singular purpose of "Collect the Moon Crystals and while we're at it kick the Empire's poo poo in whenever possible". Symphonia does have the excuse that the protagonists are slowly discovering layers upon layers of lies and deceit going back thousands of years to understand why they should kill Crazy McPrettyBoy. They even start off their journey with one of the people in the player party being a mole for the bad guy. The world of Symphonia is pretty much an onion with layers upon layers of bullshit that get worse the deeper you go down all because of one guy's desire to save his sister far past the point of sanity. Of course the problem with the whole thing is that killing the dude doesn't really solve anything beyond the fact he's no longer able to oppose them due to being dead. Which is reasonable, but it's also why the game drags on for another 10 hours or whatever as the protagonists try their best to fix the whole world without killing everybody in it. Bufuman posted:To be completely fair, they actually tried talking him down first. Several times. They actually killed him once after the first time negotiations fell through, watched him somehow get better, and tried reasoning with him AGAIN before finally putting him down for good. Killing him was very much the last resort option after he made it clear he wasn't about to listen to minor things like "sanity" or "the desires of every single being in both worlds besides himself". Some people just won't be helped. You also forgot "The desires of his own sister who has been trapped in the seed of the tree of infinite mana for thousands of years, screaming at him to let her die."
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Aforementioned plan also fits pretty much any Megaten game, SMT2 most notably off the top of my head.
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 Episode CXIII: Our Ill-Conceived Plan .jpg) Following Maester Mika's peace out and our carefully detailed battle stratagem of “defeating Sin by defeating Sin” laid out before Ghost Kid, we are unceremoniously dumped back onto the Fahrenheit. Everyone has a new piece to say now as we roll into the final battle against Sin. Well... except for Kimahri. He hasn't bothered to make an appearance on or near the bridge and hell if I'm running all the way to the back of the ship to have him grunt at me. Fine. You don't want to participate with the obligatory final battle preamble naval gazing, cat dude? I'm going to enable your laziness. .jpg)  "I must admit I was worried at the beginning, but you've done well. One more trial to pass. Our stories will end together.” “...” “Don't keep Jecht waiting. He never was a patient man."I dunno. He's been a real champ this past month and change while we've been out training horse-birds and playing multiple seasons of blitzball. .jpg)  “This will be a battle unmatched in the thousand years since Sin's birth. Spira without Sin... Why is it so hard to imagine?” ”What would we even do? Start attending music concerts? Play blitzball all day? And all the summoners would be out of work. It would be... strange.” "Afterwards -- after we defeat Sin -- promise you'll stay with Yuna." ”...Hmm. Never thought I'd hear myself saying that when I met you.” *nervous laugh* “Yeah... Of course. Totally. Mhm.” *raises eyebrow* “...Hey, Yuna!”.jpg)  "Sorry, I was just thinking. We're... still going forward, right?" “Yeah... I mean... we kinda GOTTA now. I think we threw the quit and retire plan out the window after we took out that Yunalesca lady, huh?” “...Well, there is that too.” "We can think about what will happen after we beat Sin, right?".jpg) ”...What kind of surprise?” “Pfft... Something is probably gonna blow up, if I had to guess? Hopefully not something with us on it.” “...” "Can't wait till this is over so we can relax for a change!" ”That'd be nice. Assuming any of this works. Did we really put all our faith into that weird Yevon fanatic lady...? The more I think about that... Maybe not the greatest move...? We might as well told that old traveling scholar dude that gives all the super long history lessons.” "Don't worry, we'll be fine! Everyone'll sing for us. I know it.".jpg)  “I guess I didn't know anything about the Al Bhed.”.jpg) “I was a big jerk.” [Hey, Rikku? Why's your beefy tanned clown looking friend telling me all this?] [He used to be super racist about us Al Bhed, Pops.] [Ah! Like stern look of disappointment racist or stick my shoe up his Yevonite rear end racist?] “...Uh?” [Ehhhh... I think he's apologizing. Just hear him out.] “...Alright. Keep talking, banana pants.” “Umm... ya... as I was saying...”.jpg) “...” *slouch* “I'm sorry, ya? Please forgive me." "Don't let it bother ya.”.jpg) “There's a lot of folk in this world -- some of 'em good, *smacks lips* some of 'em bad. That's all there is to it.” ”Heck, I'm even gonna let the crap them Guado bastards did slide.” “Really?” “Aww yeah. Heard they're at the top of the Ronso folks' poo poo list. Ain't nothing me and my people can do any worse than a group of ticked off Ronso kicking in a few doors. Haha!”.jpg) "A Spira without Sin... Hard to imagine, ya?”Everyone is going to feel real dumb with their hopes of stop Sin forever by killing Yu Yevon are shattered by the revelation that Yu Yevon is actually just a shell being piloted by a crafty villainous Moogle like some Matryoshka doll of villainy. .jpg) .jpg) Finally, speaking with Cid will once more open up the Fahrenheit's level select. A new destination has appeared at the top of available options: Sin. Who seems to be chilling out somewhere around the Calm Lands, if that map is correct. Right then, this is it! Time to go take on Sin. It's easy to forget that, beyond throwing a few blitzballs at one of its fins while it ignored us and shed Sin Spawn in its wake, we haven't actually directly engaged Sin at any point. I'm sure this will all go well. .jpg) "Yu Yevon's hiding somewhere inside Sin, and we're gonna find him." "Well, that sounds pretty simple." "Simple is the way you like it, right?" "You got that right.".jpg) "Right, got you covered!"Cid walks over to a computer console and fiddles with a few buttons... .jpg)  New Music: Song of Prayer ~ Spira (This is actual present in-universe, so recommended listening.) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) "A singing ship in the sky.".jpg) Everyone takes the time to listen to the lovely choir Cid dug up to sign the Hymn of the Fayth over the Fahrenheit's loudspeakers. Meanwhile, the cameraman zooms in on and focuses on Yuna's breasts until the hymn concludes. I thought you fired the drunk pervert cameraman after Zanarkand, Final Fantasy X! .jpg) "I hope everyone got the message." ”Half hour was enough to tell everyone in Spira to sing at once, ya?” *shrug* “Maybe?”.jpg)  “...fyhhy pa cdnuuuuuhk, E naymmo fyhhy pa dnicdat. Frah ymm ymuha eh so pat, E zicd ku ypuid oaynhehk E fyhhy pa luuuuuuum, E ymcu fyhhy pa mega res.” “Pid dryd'c hud cusadrehk E lyh tu cu ayyyyceeeemo. Drec ec hud cesbmo so fyo, so cdoma. Kuddy kad y rumt uv so meeeeeva!” “E fyhhy vmo reeekr. Cu E lyh naylr dra reeeekracd uv ymm dra rayjahc. Cusaputo femm pa fyedehk vun sa cu, E ryja kuuuud du vmo reeekranUR CRED!!!”.jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Well... that sure didn't take long! .jpg) Hey by the way, did you know Sin can fly? Yes, I know it was in that weird water sphere floating across Dream Zanarkand in the prologue. But naw, it doesn't need any aquatic vehicle. Apparently, Sin could just take off like a bird this entire time. Who knew?  Though, I suppose there is a precedence set for flying whales in the Final Fantasy series...  .jpg) "How we gonna get inside?" "The easy way! How else?".jpg) "Well? Let's go!" ”Yeah, that didn't answer my question at all...” “Don't sweat it! Just follow my lead.” “...Eh. Fine. Why start thinking about it too hard now, ya?” “Right on!”.jpg) Music: Attack .jpg) .jpg) Yuna and Tidus exchange one last nod before the entire party awkwardly shuffles out to do... Whatever it is we are doing! .jpg) Yes. Thank you! Cid! Please make these idiots explain how they are going to dig their way through the guts of the flying doom whale that can disintegrate armies. Please tell me it is not running up to it, hitting it with pointy instruments, and hoping for the best. .jpg) Nope... That's exactly what we're doing. We are going to jump on Sin and stab a hole into it. Yep. Sure. Why not? Video games! .jpg) .jpg) Cid laughs his rear end off at how the solution to the millennium old Sin problem is three teenagers, a couple of 20-somethings, a cat guy and a zombie middle-aged man just running up and punching it in the face. Hey, what happens if Yu Yevon can just go “nah” at dying like every vaguely important person and becomes an Unsent undead flying doom whale pilot? Ah... You know what? Forget it... Carry on. .jpg) "Aha! Of course!" "Of course!" ”Exactly.” “No doubt.” “Mhm!” “Yep!” “...” “...What are we talking about?” “Don't worry. You'll see.” “...Mm'kay?” “Hey, you got your dumb non-plans. I got mine. Just roll with what comes.” "All right! We'll give that thing a new blowhole. All you gotta do is jump!" "Roger!" "I won't tell ya to be careful. Do your worst, kiddo!" *fist pump* "Roger!".jpg) .jpg) Pictured: The look of Tidus realizing nobody is piloting the ship. .jpg) *clears throat*.jpg) That's kind of sweet Brother learned a bit of English so he could tell Tidus to keep his sister safe. Ignore the whole bit about Tidus having learned Al Bhed. The game sure will continue to do so! .jpg) Brother becomes fluent in English by the time Final Fantasy X-2 rolls around. He speaks with a thick vague Eastern European accent despite the rest of his family sounding American when not speaking Al Bhed. He also really REALLY wants to bone Yuna, his cousin, and becomes an insane wacky creep. Brother and Rikku do incredible quantities of drugs between games and kill untold amounts of brain-cells in the process. .jpg) Ducking into the main corridor of the Fahrenheit, we have one last opportunity to shop with Rin prior to the big upcoming battle. .jpg) This is all overpriced garbage to us at this point. But I guess it's nice we're not locked in after choosing to go take on Sin. Final Fantasy X is, at least, pretty good about that. .jpg)  “But of course. Once Sin is gone, we'll need to be rebuilding Home, you see.” “Man, your dedication is... really astounding.”Oh Rin, you scumbag merchant until the end. Speaking of which... isn't O'aka still locked in Bevelle's dungeons thanks to Yuna and friends? Hahaha. Whoops! Look, we had a busy schedule in Bevelle meeting world leaders and powerful ghosts. We cannot be expected to remember every little thing, now can we? O'aka probably would have ended up in prison even without our help. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Anyway, it's up to the outer hull of the Fahrenheit. Remember that time we murdered a curious Cactuar wanting to see the world out here by tossing it off the side of the ship to its death so we could loot its village? Good times. Music: Song of Prayer ~ Spira .jpg) "I can hear the song!" "Yes, I can hear the Hymn, too." "They listened to us!".jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) “Hm?”.jpg) .jpg) *gasp*.jpg) .jpg) Yuna pats herself down like she'd been pick-pocketed. Yuna, how did you fail to notice you'd misplaced a baseball sized globe out from... err... where were you even storing that? Up your giant detached sleeves? The big bow attached to your butt? Taped to one of your combat boots? Your options are quite limited on that outfit. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) “...” “...” “...” “...” “You know those video spheres are incredibly expensive, right?” “I did not.” “And re-usable...” “...” “...” “Also no...”.jpg) .jpg) Yeah, Yuna. You definitely won't need any sort of postmortem message to loved ones after you perish defeating Sin. Music: Crisis .jpg) .jpg) I mean what would be the point? They're all going to die with you now! That whole thing was a big waste of time. .jpg) I'll go ahead an post a video of the rest of the update below. You'll probably want to watch that. .jpg) Video: Click to See Sin When It Gets Pissed (Recommended Viewing!) .jpg) So Sin was just trying to enjoy himself listening to the Hymn of the Fayth as sung by the choir of all of Spira (I think we can official determine Spira is roughly the size of Rhode Island once and for all.) Then along came this airship and Jecht sees his son loving littering! Where do you think that discarded video sphere is going, Tidus? Right in the ocean. And now some seal or a pelican is going to try to swallow it and choke to death. I hope you're happy! Cuz Sin definitely is not! .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Indeed, Sin is incredibly pissed at Tidus' careless pollution and powers up an energy shot. Remember how the one that disintegrated the Crusaders' army and annihilated a ten story Al Bhed Tesla Cannon and was only the size of your average Kamehameha wave? .jpg) Yeah, the gravity well of energy used to charge up this one is creating a localized hurricane... .jpg) ...and also possibly shifting the orbit of the moon slightly. Or at least drawing some debris from it. I'm sure all the coastal settlements in Spira will be fine. What's a little tidal shift? .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) And so Sin unleashes its attack. Remember, Sin is basically a gravity elemental. Indeed, according to supplementary materials on Final Fantasy X, Sin's body hovers up any wayward pyreflies and grows stronger just by cruising around since its a giant gravity well doom whale. .jpg) .jpg) Knowing Sin takes a giant space whale poo poo on gravity, enjoy the interesting visuals its attack has made. .jpg) Music abruptly ends... .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Gah! Asian Stunt Double Rikku! You are so off-model. Couldn't they cast someone with the same skin tone or hair color? Hell, even the make-up department couldn't keep the lipstick colors straight. Dreadful. .jpg) “Huh...? Hmm... Oooh! Oh!”.jpg) Moses ain't got poo poo on Sin. .jpg) *gasp* “WHOA!” Music: Crisis .jpg) You idiots didn't think it was going to stay a big gravity anomaly like that, did you? .jpg) ”Okay! OKAY! It's fine. It's fine! It's just a buncha water! We're on an airship! It'll be fi—” .jpg) .jpg) “Oh poo poo... OH poo poo! OH SHIIIIIIT!”.jpg) .jpg) Welp. That went about as well as could be expected. Yeah. I wasn't expecting Final Fantasy X to end on such a sudden bummer note as the entire party being incinerated in a fiery explosion either. .jpg) But, I mean what did you think would happen when taking on 1,000 year old walking natural disaster with offensive capabilities so powerful that they're visible from space? Running up and hitting Sin with swords. Pfft... honestly... 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God, Attack is such a great 'gently caress yeah let's do this' theme, though...
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Nothing like a bit of Biblical Armageddon to show those heretics who's boss. Here are Kimahri's lines, incidentally.  You keep walking path forward. Kimahri watch the rear. Because of you, Yuna still smiles. Thank you. Friends have saved Kimahri’s life. Kimahri will treasure it. Kimahri is ready. Let us fight Sin.Since we've finally seen the scene of Sin telling the party to piss off, I can mention a few things from the Ultimania. Final Fantasy Wiki posted:According to Final Fantasy X Scenario Ultimania Sin's body is composed of pyreflies and in that respect, it is no different from a common fiend. However, Sin draws in pyreflies to replenish its strength whenever damaged, and thus conventional attacks cannot defeat it. According to the Final Fantasy X Ultimania Omega, its body is formed as a result of gravity magic used to draw in further pyreflies from the atmosphere, and compressing them densely. The Dark Id posted:
As a note, if you didn't use all of your missiles on Evrae... you still won't have any here. Not that you should need them by this point, mind you. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Psst, TDI, you left the italics tag off the "you know those spheres are expensive" conversation.
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So having everyone sing the Hymn of the Faith did gently caress-all, as Sin got super pissed before they even got within miles of him. Good job, guys!
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That cutscene is the one I look to whenever Spira's size is called into question. Sin just carved out some massive chunks of land in a few seconds. Can imagine a Water World type situation would occur given a few more centuries.Spiritus Nox posted:God, Attack is such a great 'gently caress yeah let's do this' theme, though... Now if only it didn't play so much. Challenge has it beat by miles in that regard.
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Schwartzcough posted:So having everyone sing the Hymn of the Faith did gently caress-all, as Sin got super pissed before they even got within miles of him. Good job, guys! Maybe they were off-key?
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The Dark Id posted:
Goddammit, Brother. XD
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The Dark Id posted:
This right here and the cutscene in this update are exactly the reason why I am not buying at all the idea that our heroes can defeat Sin, no matter the amounts of suspension of disbelief used. Ingame mechanics aside, our biggest challenge so far was a millenia old zombie lady whose strongest power was force blasting someone to death. It just feels like we are going in completely blinded to whether or not we have a chance at actually succeeding in this. We don't know if any of our weapons can cause the slightest damage to the armor because we have never fully engaged Sin before. Couldn't we wait for Sin to pop around somewhere, toss a couple of Blitzballs at it and bail out if we didn't see any result and retry later? I think we should have safe-checked if we've been grinding down the correct path during our pilgrimage before jumping straight into the final battle. HELL, why are we even jumping into the final battle? It's not like there is some unknown timer looming over us like the compression of time or the destruction of the world crystal. Previous Final Fantasies at least had you pit against the Final Boss or Dragon multiple times across the game with your scaling performance on it being an indicator as to "Hey, we are getting stronger" so that you didn't feel completely outmatched on the final confrontation. But the perfomance of the X crew didn't scale. Both of our 2 encounters with Sin previous to this ended with the result of Sin loving everything up in a 10 miles radius. This cutscene further reinforces this with the addition that he can gently caress everything up in a 10 miles radius in 8 different directions! Sorry game. We dead. quote:Matryoshka doll of villainy. lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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O'aka is, in fact, not locked up anymore. If for some reason you return to the sphere theater in Luca he's chilling out there, having been released from jail. I don't think he sells anything, though.
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Once more, I'm glad to see that Sin lives up to the hype. This one thing that has menaced the world for 1000 years faces a group of plucky youngsters and, unlike most other villains, shows that the only reason they're still alive is that it couldn't be bothered to atomize them before now.lezard_valeth posted:This right here and the cutscene in this update are exactly the reason why I am not buying at all the idea that our heroes can defeat Sin, no matter the amounts of suspension of disbelief used. Yeah, the game doesn't really give much reason as to why the party is in such a hurry to fight Sin. Sure, it's probably destroying villages, but that's nothing different than what it has been doing for years. You'd think that they'd take time to actually build up some sort of plan like scooping up the remains of the Crusaders or letting the Al Bhed make a new weapon. Sure, it's fitting and all to push towards the end, but there's no reason to jump in like they are. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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lezard_valeth posted:But the perfomance of the X crew didn't scale. Both of our 2 encounters with Sin previous to this ended with the result of Sin loving everything up in a 10 miles radius. This cutscene further reinforces this with the addition that he can gently caress everything up in a 10 miles radius in 8 different directions! At the same time, it also reinforces why he needs to go down. If he can do this now, he can do it over and over again later, and there won't be anything left of Spira to save afterwards.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:At the same time, it also reinforces why he needs to go down. If he can do this now, he can do it over and over again later, and there won't be anything left of Spira to save afterwards. All the more reason not to go in half-cocked. If this is Spira's last shot, then the party needs to do it right. They should have done something to even the odds a little since they don't really have a concrete deadline.
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I recall there is a deadline, of sorts? It's far from concrete, though- something about how they need to do this while Jecht is still 'conscious' inside of Sin and able to restrain it somewhat- hence why they were having everyone sing the Hymn in the first place?
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Malachite_Dragon posted:At the same time, it also reinforces why he needs to go down. If he can do this now, he can do it over and over again later, and there won't be anything left of Spira to save afterwards. Well Spira did just fine for 1000 years. What I'm trying to say is that back when I played FFX, other games I had played final confrontation's had a lose-lose scenario (ie. FFV you either lose to X-Death or the whole world is consumed by the void ), had a 50-50 chance of winning (ie. FFIV, the big bad was sealed once before, whereas Sin has remained undefeated for 1000 years; FFVIII you had already beaten 2 witches, who happened to be controlled by the final boss by that point ) or had the heroes acknowledge they are powerless so they should get stronger before jumping the shark (ie. Chrono Trigger, FFVI), so FFX scenario really sticked out as reckless and hard to believe in my eyes. The fact that Sin showcased the most cutscene destructive power out of all previous FF villains didn't help either. Malachite_Dragon posted:I recall there is a deadline, of sorts? It's far from concrete, though- something about how they need to do this while Jecht is still 'conscious' inside of Sin and able to restrain it somewhat- hence why they were having everyone sing the Hymn in the first place? While this is truth, it still wouldn't have hurt to have a couple summoners or Al Bhed help them in their "breaching into Sin's armor" plan. As things stand right now, I think even the people in-universe realize the heroes didn't think this through and just grabbed the popcorn and sing along for the fireworks lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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The Dark Id posted:
Hopefully you meant takes. I pray there is not a doomwhale scat market...
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What do you think Elixirs are made out of?
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Malachite_Dragon posted:What do you think Elixirs are made out of? Orphan tears?
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Nah, they would be much more plentiful in Spira if that were the case.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:What do you think Elixirs are made out of? I'd like to go with "The magically enchanted remains of Heritics to Yevon". Considering how much of Yevon is actually in control of the world and how the Maesters know it's just one big death spiral that will never go away...it's pretty safe to say that Anti-Yevon supporters are scarce as poo poo.
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It's cool that they included a scene with Wakka acknowledging what an rear end he was and apologizing to the Al Bhed, they could've easily just forgotten about it. Between that and the fact that he has Attack Reels, Wakka's totally alright.
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The Dark Id posted:Brother becomes fluent in English by the time Final Fantasy X rolls around.
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